Mass - Do you go??

His Holiness Pope JP II

If you do, why?
If you don't, why?

Celt

Cos the bad priests rape rich0r.

Baz_

no and none of your beeswax

Megatron

i would go .. if i cared any more ...
I was even an alter boy in my youth ( and yes you can slag me if you want )
but now .. I prefer to sleep, drink, chase women, more drink and no mass ... did i mention drink ???

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Loomer

Whats Mass?

Loomer

I have Mass Sex Appeal

Celt

lol.

kayos

Actually this is a interesting topic to me. I dont go to mass but yet I do beleave in the whole God thing. For me I dont like the way the church tell you how to run your life and that you have to recite 10 hail marys yada yada yada. I still have my faith and all that but I honestly think the church as an orginisation is all fupped up. My local PP has a thing of asking for money all the time at one stage he posted up a list of ppl who didn't pay their dues (which I think are meant to be volantary) this to me is over stepping the mark the church in Ireland had and to a point still have to much power imho.

Just my two cents worth....

kayos

the fnj

This will probably be quoted against me but FÚCK religion.

Religion.

The only use it serves is to help the old and sick die. They think there going to a better place. A place without pain and suffering. Yes there's no pain and suffering but there's nothing else also.

The Roman Catholic Church is the most successful cult in history. The pope lives in the lap of luxury and surround by some of the most beautiful works of art ever made. The Church is so big that it decides weather or not a new religion is a cult. It fails to see that every definition of a cult (as they set out) makes the Church a Cult. The pope is like the Bill Gates of Religion.

How many people actually bereave that there is a god. There is no proof. For years as a kid I expected my parents to turn around (like they did after one Christmas) and go oh by the way we were fooling you about all the god crap as well. We give too much credit to god. When something is done well it's "oh well thank god it went well". Fúck that thank the people who did it.

Humans are evolving beyond the stage of needing a god and needing religion to fill in the holes in there life. When something can't be explained religious people love to say, "oh god did it" or "that’s the devils work".

Forget mass and forget god. You’re wasting your time.

--Kaiser--

i agree
my mother and sisters are very religous
i have experienced their ignorance first hand

Shiminay

Don't go. I don't believe in God.

My Mum is a church musician and avid mass-goer (yet she aviods my questions when I ask her directly if she believes in God), so it pains her somewhat, but she's to hypocritical to listen to me when I try to explain my reasons, so I choose to abuse her and her belief as much as she abuses me and my non-belief. She's finally started to realise that I'm much better at be-littling something/someone than her (cause I can be an evil fup when I wanna).
So one day she broke down and asked me what I did believe in and actually respected my choice (she's still not keen on my not going to mass). It's unreal, I think she places more stock in the fact that I'd go to mass than my believing or not believing. Parents! They were raised that way and can't really be held to blame, but the sooner the Catholic Church realises it's gonna have very few members in 50 - 100 years, they might change.

BTW - this has been done to death on the Humanities Board... Have a look for the old posts and see what other people think.

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Lenny

Does anyone here go to mass on a special days
like easter, Christmas day?

smoke.me.a.kipper

i believe in god or some higher power (Castor Troy ) but i don't bother going to mass or any of that malarky.

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Bard

No. Not even on "special days".

Why? ... because I'm not a hypocrite. Why perform an action that professes my 'faith' when I don't actually have any such 'faith'?

Seems more of a Humanities issue this- I'm sure, as Kharn says, it's been discussed time and again on that board...

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Neil3030

I have mixed feelings on the whole religion scene.

For the most part the beliefs of the Catholic church are not all bad. I mean, if we all lived as the bible instructs us to, the world would be a better place and that is fact. If we all did not kill, steal, covet neighbours' wives and what not, do you not agree that this would be for the better?

My second point is the hypocrsy of athiests. How many people who have posted negative things about the church either gave, received, consumed or purchased an easter egg or two last Sunday? or how many of you celebrated Christmas in one way or another? or pigged out on pancakes on shrove tuesday? you dont find republicans marching with the orange men, do you? so why do people who do not believe in god or religion celebrate such events? also what year is this? 2001 last time i checked. Do the people that do not believe in god realise, that every time they write the date, they are believing in christ?

With all this said i must move on to the things that p1ss me off regarding religion.

The way religion is forced upon young people in the education system is wrong. it is blatant brainwashing. i mean think about it. if a teacher tells a junior infant that pigs can play the banjo, then goes on to read books, poems and sing songs about it, the kids are going to believe it. this also is wrong.

I dunno what to believe. Maybe it is real, maybe it isnt.
who knows.

TwoShedsJackson

Don't go. I'm an atheist.

PostmanPat

I hope this doesn't turn into a big mass-debate, with everyone spouting the same stuff over and over....

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crazydaisie

DON'T GO cos it's BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIING!

azezil

its funny i was a very religious person till a few years ago, i lost my faith!

...yeah i'm gonna tell the story SO SHUT UP N SIT DOWN!!! LOL

it was the christmas of 97, i was at mass doin the whole prayer thing when i noticed the inconcistencies from the year b4, the chunks left out, stuff which i thought was very important but the priest had seen fit to cut it out in order to get home earlier n stuff his face....
over the coming months i noticed more and more stuff been left out...so i decided the whole thing was a sham and condemed the church as hipicrits (spelling?)

i still go on christmas and easter but i hav no faith in it, i don't believe in any "supreme being" i believe in free will....
to me religion is nothing more than a set of guidelines to an honest, peaceful life.

as far as i'm concerned i'v gotten all i can from it, and it's time to move on...however when i hav kidz i will insist they go two reasons 1. good influence (morals etc) 2. make the little ****ers suffer the way i did getin up early on sundays messin all the cartoons...LOL

ok i'm done!

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tobi

Don’t go to mass, don’t believe in god, will not have my children christened.

richindub2

Dont go, dont believe in god but im forced to go at chrimbo/easter by me parents (they dont go to ordinary mass tho)

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Hobbes

I'm agnostic so the church thing is a waste of time in my opinion. Church was really only used as a way to control the masses anyway.

androphobic

im Christian

i dont go to Mass because i dont want to be associated with the Catholic Church.

Spunog UIE

ahhhhhhh i know a joke about this but darned if i can remember it.

did ya ever notice all the old people that go to mass, they are all good church goers etc. I always wonderd why these people so late in their lives went to mass and to confessoin when they didn't go all their lives, and then it hit me. Ya see just like us youngin's they are crammin for the final exam...

DrunkLeprachaun

I was brought up ignostic, and I still am, but my parents are hipocrites. I do not belive there is a god, but I'm open to viable suggestion, and I have nothing against religion(it's been around in one way or another for a long time).

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Spunog UIE

On a serious note.
I'd have to agree with Neil3030.

Especially the schools bit. Like its so stupid just having one religeon in schools. Its like brain washing youngin's who don't know any different. Some could say its why cathoilaism (ach spelling) is so strong. As with other majour religeons.
And did ya ever notice that there is usually one person of a different faith in your year/class and what do they do for the religeon class? Well in my schools they were always shoved out to the side and told to get on with some work.
If ya had a religeon teacher that actually went into a few different religeons and cults i think there wouldn't be as great an intolerance amoungst people of different religeons. Besides its intresting stuff. I think anyhew.
The main thing that would turn me off going to mass is the repetivness of it all. ITS SOOOOOO BORING. same old, same old.
And a lot, not all, but a lot of the priests are pretty stuck in their ways. Which i think is a bad thing. If they loosened up mass a bit and channged it around and had other people doin stuff, different music, different speakers. NEW STUFF.

Well thats all for me for the mo', if i gets any more rantings ill be back.

Blitzkrieger

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Neil3030:


My second point is the hypocrsy of athiests. How many people who have posted negative things about the church either gave, received, consumed or purchased an easter egg or two last Sunday? or how many of you celebrated Christmas in one way or another? or pigged out on pancakes on shrove tuesday</font>

mmm, easter eggs

It's not the same thing at all. The vast majority of people would see christmas as a time to celebrate with their family, without thinking of religion at all. Be honest - how many people go to mass on st. patricks day? The holiday has grown away from it's religion, and so have all the others

[IAR]Nevermind

i dont go i guess i dont belive in it , i go into a church and see everyone on there knees praying to "god" it seems crazy and pointless , alot of us dont belive in god , so are christians saying if we belive in god we will lead a better life ? what advantages are there from going to church ? i dont understand it , my parents gave up on tryin to make me go aswell .....

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Bomberman

Dont go
It way 2 boring!

Coyote

Thank God I'm a Atheist.

but on a real point
it all depends on what you call god
to people from 100,000 years ago we would be
gods, so who knows what we called gods befor
were gods, me i do believe that there could
be a being greater that us,
who knows. you can not prove it one way or
the other. so any one trying to say one way
is right or not is pointless.


Try to not make your decision in life affect others,
Try to enjoy your life as best you can.

Coyote

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Stephen

I don't go to mass because tbh I think religion is a load of donkey sh|t used by humans to explain that which they can't explain by any other means.

My mother is distraught at me not being a "good catholic" like she attempted to raise me as. She will not listen when I try to put forward my point of view.

Religion = pants

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Manach

Playing the dissident role
Go weekly - Why, Credo.

Tazz T

I'd love to go but I'm too busy posting stupid messages here and playing Q3.

Mass destruction is more fun.

amp

No, but I find the idea of the Confessional to be fascinating. Get a load off your chest, say a few hail marys and hey presto! free therapy!

The few times I have been dragged to mass (mostly by my late granny) it seemed like a sales pitch with no tangible product on offer.

I think one of them was a Latin mass, either that or the priest had one hell of a speech impedement.

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Megatron

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Castor Troy:
Don't go. I'm an atheist.</font>

what ???????/
you don't believe in yourself ?????

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--Kaiser--

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Neil3030:

My second point is the hypocrsy of athiests. How many people who have posted negative things about the church either gave, received, consumed or purchased an easter egg or two last Sunday? or how many of you celebrated Christmas in one way or another? or pigged out on pancakes on shrove tuesday? you dont find republicans marching with the orange men, do you? so why do people who do not believe in god or religion celebrate such events? also what year is this? 2001 last time i checked. Do the people that do not believe in god realise, that every time they write the date, they are believing in christ?
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Jesus Christ that is one bad point.

People still use the BC/AD calender coz its been around for ages and no-ones gonna bother to change it.It has nothing to do with belief whatsoever.

likewise,christmass and easter are just excuses for prezzies and food

astrofool

Wrong people to ask, everyone here is (relatively) young, and semi-intelligent, most find the idea of a god which is able to control their destiny, and has power over them contrary to their own feeling that they control themselves, so dismiss it out of hand.

Asking people stupid questions about their religion is an excercise rooted in futility, a person's answer to all questions can be plain and simple faith.

Is it not good that someone can put their trust in something besides themselves? and believe in it so wholly that they can live their life to reach it's ideals, and as a result will be a genuinely GOOD person?

It's too easy to dismiss religion out of hand, contradictions, the actions of some of the followers (and yes the catholic church is the biggest hypocrite of all, the Vatican bank being the biggest, making itself rich out of one of the greatest tragedies(if not the) of our time). But to follow the ideals of a religion is a good thing, without it, society would be worse off.

Besides the new religion seems to be consumerism, not the best way to have the world, and will eventually destroy itself(there's only so much stuff)

Imagine being able to devote your life to a single cause? If you're happy, that's not a waste, what the hell else are we here for?

(btw: don't go to mass, belive in a higher power, if not blind faith to cristianity)

Blitzkrieger

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by amp:
I think one of them was a Latin mass, either that or the priest had one hell of a speech impedement.</font>

rofl

I was in a mass in Limerick once and cos of their accents I couldn't understand a word they were saying

Frodo@work

I belive strongly in a god, but i havnt figured out if its alla, buddah, jesus, jehova etc i suspect that it doesnt really matter which you belive in,as long as you live a decent life.
i also belive in an after life, i do belive that we go somewere when we die ,hell ive seen ghosts before.

azezil

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by astrofool:
Wrong people to ask, everyone here is (relatively) young, and semi-intelligent, most find the idea of a god which is able to control their destiny, and has power over them contrary to their own feeling that they control themselves, so dismiss it out of hand.

Asking people stupid questions about their religion is an excercise rooted in futility, a person's answer to all questions can be plain and simple faith.

Is it not good that someone can put their trust in something besides themselves? and believe in it so wholly that they can live their life to reach it's ideals, and as a result will be a genuinely GOOD person?

It's too easy to dismiss religion out of hand, contradictions, the actions of some of the followers (and yes the catholic church is the biggest hypocrite of all, the Vatican bank being the biggest, making itself rich out of one of the greatest tragedies(if not the) of our time). But to follow the ideals of a religion is a good thing, without it, society would be worse off.

Besides the new religion seems to be consumerism, not the best way to have the world, and will eventually destroy itself(there's only so much stuff)

Imagine being able to devote your life to a single cause? If you're happy, that's not a waste, what the hell else are we here for?

(btw: don't go to mass, belive in a higher power, if not blind faith to cristianity)</font>

that depends on the religion your refering too...and the 'god figure'

how about nazi's would you say they're good ppl for following their religion???

or satinists, they believe in the devil, woriship him, the sourse of all evil but by your standard because they have faith in a higher being they're better ppl......

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smoke.me.a.kipper

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Excelsior:
By the way, Satanists don't worship Satan.

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so what do they worship? and what are people who worship Satan called?

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Excelsior

from The Satanic Bible, ©1969
by Anton Szandor LaVey

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

//That is about as controversial as they get.

Satanism is atheism that elevates pride. It basically concerns itself solely with the satisfaction of self, primarily through indulgence.
The name was picked to moke Christians who they thought were repressed but also flaky.
Part of Satanism is the belief that there is nothing higher than the self. Satanism isn't the other side of the Christian coin, that would be worshiping satan. Satanism is about god being within.

[edited to reply fully to smoke-me-a-kipper]:
I guess people who worship satan might be devil worshippers. I mean the guys who sacrifice lambs and all assorted stuff. But I wouldn't understand that. If you actually worshiped satan you acknowledge the existence of the Christian God. Logic would then dictate that you become a Christian.
I suspect worship of satan (as oppossed to satanism) is a bit of a myth fuelled by the media.

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Neil3030

What the fuc...oh, he's from Leixlip.
That explain's it.

Excelsior

What?!?

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Chubby

Wow, thanks for the info on satanism Excelsior. I find myself actually agreeing with most of what they represent . Maybe I'll become a satanist for the hell of it (sorry for the pun).

WhiteWashMan

nope.
im a protestant. we dont go to mass.
we have service, or church.


mind you, i dont go to that either coz im an athiest....

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chubby:
Wow, thanks for the info on satanism Excelsior. I find myself actually agreeing with most of what they represent . Maybe I'll become a satanist for the hell of it (sorry for the pun).</font>

lol, the pun..oh the genius...

DrunkLeprachaun

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Frodo@work:
I belive strongly in a god, but i havnt figured out if its alla, buddah, jesus, jenova or sephiroth. </font>

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Neil3030 :-

Interesting point about easter eggs and whatnot, but not necessarily a particularly valid one.

I'm an athiest. My parents are moderately religious, but when I lived at home they learned to put up with the fact that I don't believe in any of the things they do.

That said, I love Christmas, Easter, St Patricks Day, Hallow'een... I write the date using the christian calender dates.

Am I a hypocrite?

I'd rather think not. I use the date system because it's as good a reference point as any other, not because of any connotation of religion. I have a good time at religious festival days because we get time off work to do exactly that - go off and have a good time - and indeed, lets face it, celtic cultures like ours have been celebrating the Midwinter festival (Christmas), the Spring festival (Easter) and the Autumn festival/Festival of spirits (Hallow'een) for a lot longer than christianity has existed...

St Patricks day is the day we celebrate our nationality. I don't consider it to be a religious event; it's our fourth of july.

As my housemate just pointed out over my shoulder, this is coming from the guy who announced in an aggrieved fashion last friday that "some bloke gets nailed to a lump of a tree and all the pubs shut for a day, what the hell is up with that?"...

Evil Phil

Your a pretty well informed Christian Excel, respect to you. I've kind of 'investigated' a few different religions, being Christianity, Buddism, Wicca and various shaman stuff written by Terence McKenna. A genius who died last April.

Anyway, it seems to me all religions have the same goals so there is probably something in it. I do believe in life after death because oblivion doesn't exist in nature, so it doesn't make sense that it would exist in death. One thing I would like to find out more about is the magick side of Wicca or maybe I've been watching too much Buffy. But if somebody believes in something that makes their life easier then I'm all for it.

Evil Phil

Oh yeah, the topic thing...

I only go to Mass for funerals and weddings.