I don't care about the cap anymore

honru

Over the weekend, after living in the droves on Eircom for nearly a year, I decided to break free and experience broadband to the max. And so far, it's been great.

Paulw

Just wait until the bill comes, or they cut you off and send you a bill. LOL.

I wonder will you enjoy it as much then.

Gonzo

i wouldnt really go over the cap but the cap is very restrictive alright, eircom always had the smaller cap but recently all their competitors give double for less, think its time for eircom to rethink their caps again and offer their customers a much higher cap now to at least match what iol,utv,netsource and digiweb offer.

honru

Originally posted by Paulw
Just wait until the bill comes, or they cut you off and send you a bill. LOL.

I don't think exceeding the cap is enforced.

BArra

this is eircom, hello? wake up to yourself

matter of time.

shinzon

Originally posted by f®eak s©enery
I don't think exceeding the cap is enforced.

unfortunately if you read the irelandoffline forum some people have already been charged for going over the cap

Shin

lee_baby_simms

bunch of cappers, eircom.;)

they're the 'golden discs' of ips.

cormon

eircom have not enforced the cap yet except in extreme circumstances . They have been unable to do due to CLId on the line , this is currently being changed and you will see the change if you go over the cap in the middle of june ...

griffdaddy

has anyone had their iol plus cap enfoced yet? i've gone about a gig over, but its my first month, and i was charged for last month although i got it on the last day and only downloaded about 20mb. do yuo reckon they'll give leeway?

lee_baby_simms

whats the charge per mb over the cap. which provider is better value here?

i cant find out on the websites...

griffdaddy

its 3c on iol

honru

I don't know why they'd need to start charging for exceeding the cap, unless they just want to make a helluva lot of money (which is pretty obvious) but otherwise, the performance is grand.

I'll make the use of broadband this month of May and by June I'll go back to my restrictive days. May even move providers since my year contract will be up by then and I'm sick of this crappy cappy (know this is off-topic, but any advice on who to switch to?).

Paulw

I have a friend who's on IOL. She downloaded over 8gb in her first two weeks of her service (4gb cap back then). She was cut off and told that service would not be restored until she paid her bill for the excess. Some bill !!! 3c per MB. Work that out. They came to an agreement to charge it over a few bills to make it a little easier. That was a major slap on the wrists.

dmd

Use what you like toughguy, but don't cry and bitch on here if your ISP makes you pay up for the extra bandwidth, which you did agree to pay them once you signed up.

eth0_

Originally posted by shinzon
unfortunately if you read the irelandoffline forum some people have already been charged for going over the cap

Shin

On eircom? I've heard of IOL customers being charged but not Eircom, oddly.

Da Man

The usage charges strike me as excessive/idiotic. If you pay €30 a month for 8Gb or whatever it is, then why isn't the next 8Gb €30 as well or even cheaper? Sounds like pretty easy money to make for the ISP instead of "if you exceed the cap we will repossess your house" type of an attitude which means that people tend to stay within the cap. It would be like phone calls costing 1000 times as much once you've made a certain number of calls.

eth0_

It's idiotic that you can't understand why they charge so much when you go over cap!
They don't WANT you to go over the cap. The excessive price is a DETERRANT.

tman

jesus, that's pure stupid, eth0_

FITE TEH POUWAH LOIKE!!!!!111

Mutant_Fruit

Does anyone wonder why eircoms service is so stable? No-one wonders why the users always max out their connections? And why the pings are practically always low?

The reason is the cap. eth0_ is right, the cap is there for a reason, and the price is a deterrent. If eircom had an uncapped service, you would soon see them crash an burn like netsource did. They (probably) don't have the infrastructure in place to allow all their users to be cap-free, and they probably don't want that either.

Fine, if your not going to go over the cap, 8gb is plenty for ya, and you'll get good service. But if you are a moderate downloader (and trust me, there is lots to download legally...) you can easily download the internet every month. I know i have been.

Back to the point, you paid for a fast reliable, but NEUTERED service. You have a set limit of 8gb, and that is the price you have to pay for eircoms "super-fast speeds and low pings". If you go over, purposely, then i support eircom all the way to milk you for every penny that bandiwdth is worth according to the contract you signed.

Da Man

If we were to actually try to grasp the exceptionally complex message I was trying to get across, it was: charge for units of 8Gb instead of selling just 8Gb. Sorry for stating the obvious, but Eircom has to provide a network to support its user base that's changing every day. Not exactly much difference in dealing with people who buy chunks of 8Gb. It kinda makes sense that if I had a network with lots of bandwidth then I would find ways of selling that bandwidth.

I'd say the real reason is that they (and their competitors) don't have a billing system that can handle this. Or that the customers are happy with the current setup.

eth0_

Eircom don't even have a system that allows them to bill people for going over the cap!
The way it is in Ireland right now is, if you want to download more than 20gb per month...get a business dsl account. It would make pretty stupid business sense to sell download allowances in blocks. I've never heard of it done before.

I can't fathom how one person could download more than that per month, so if you split it between your housemates it makes a lot more sense than paying through the nose with eircom.

Moriarty

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
Does anyone wonder why eircoms service is so stable? No-one wonders why the users always max out their connections? And why the pings are practically always low?

The reason is the cap. eth0_ is right, the cap is there for a reason, and the price is a deterrent. If eircom had an uncapped service, you would soon see them crash an burn like netsource did. They (probably) don't have the infrastructure in place to allow all their users to be cap-free, and they probably don't want that either.

Wrong. If eircom had no cap, none of the other ISPs would have them either. The heavy users would be spread across all ISPs (like in every other european -- nay 1st world country) so the impact would be negligable. The only reason caps are in existance here in Ireland is because eircom introduced them first. If eircom were to remove them, the other ISPs would very quickly follow suit. There would be very marginal if any noticeable impact on the services as a whole.

Gonzo

i agree with that also, if everyone was spread throughout eircom, iol, utv, netsource, digiweb and esat business it wouldnt strain the services to a great deal if we were uncapped or at least a much larger and evenly spread cap throughtout all the services, say 30 or 40 gig a month. But we all know this is never gonna happen, the caps are here to stay and may only slightly increase on a yearly basis. There is now also a massive difference between eircom and the rest of the isps and if it stays like that i think i may well go to IOL when my contract is up and take advance of a much larger cap for less money.

neokenzo

I think no matter how much the cap is set there will always be some that thinks its not enough. Its never going to be enough until its uncapped. I've had the BB when it had 3GB limit and even now when its at 12GB limit, I still dont think its enough But thats just me

ChipZilla

Originally posted by eth0_
...I can't fathom how one person could download more than that per month...

Before all the holy joe's start flaming, it's very easily done, without even getting into the whole thorny subject of warez and mp3z. My own view is that caps are a screw job if you're paying 40 or 50 quid a month. In every other civilised country on the planet, caps are only used on the cheapest of the cheap tariffs, like BT Openworld's in the UK or Telstra's in Australia. 3c a Mb = 30 quid a Gb if you go over your cap? Bandwidth doesn't cost that much to dish out. Another top-class rip-off by Irish ISPs. :eek:

tuxy

Originally posted by cormon
eircom have not enforced the cap yet except in extreme circumstances . They have been unable to do due to CLId on the line , this is currently being changed and you will see the change if you go over the cap in the middle of june ...

where did you get this info?

Moriarty

Miniscule outfits in london telehouse can sell bandwidth at less than 50p/gig, without making a loss. I'm sure eircom have marginally more clout to negotiate prices than some of these small companys. They also have links directly into telehouse north, last I checked. No excuses.

Mutant_Fruit

i can get triple digit Gigabyte figures downloading from this site every month. And thats not even straining my connection 24x7.

www.sharingthegroove.org <-- the best place for all your live band performance needs, and all 100% legal.

lee_baby_simms

Originally posted by ChipZilla
My own view is that caps are a screw job if you're paying 40 or 50 quid a month. In every other civilised country on the planet, caps are only used on the cheapest of the cheap tariffs, like BT Openworld's in the UK or Telstra's in Australia.

HERE HERE!!

Ripwave

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
i can get triple digit Gigabyte figures downloading from this site every month. And thats not even straining my connection 24x7.

How many of these downloads do you actually watch?

tuxy

Originally posted by Ripwave
How many of these downloads do you actually watch?

i bet he watchs most of them
some people dont watch tv and would rather get some stuff from the net

Mutant_Fruit

How many of these downloads do you actually watch?

Every one so far. Each one is about 4.38gb's, generally lasting about 90 minutes. Maybe triple digits was an exaggeration, but i would be reaching 60-70gb of transferrs a month. and for the last 2 months (march/april) i reached triple figures (not all of it music related).

I obey the iron law: If i think i might like it, get it. I have to say, some downloads have been very bad, and i've just deleted them after watching 5 minutes of it. (really bad camera work, and horrible audio).

EDIT: I don;t watch much TV at all. I prefer not watching the crap that is usually shown, and watching what i want to watch instead, such as live radiohead/muse/r.e.m./phish/Dave Matthews Band/U2 shows. And they are all readily available at sharingthegroove.org, so i get em.

And i also burn those for friends who like those bands. (If anyone is interested in a great radiohead live performance, i have "Live at Le Resevoir" in france. Its an acoustic session, and anyone who even half likes radiohead should watch it, its brilliant.)

tuxy

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
Every one so far. Each one is about 4.38gb's, generally lasting about 90 minutes.

4 gb+ for 90 mins? havnt they heard of compression?

Mutant_Fruit

Well, its generally one live performance per disc, and eahc performance is in DVD format... so it plays back on normal DVD players. Complete with menus etc. Sometimes, if two performances are small, they get combined, but not usually. While you could probably compress the shows more, theres no point. You might as well apply the least compression possible to fit one show on one disc.

meatball

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
If you go over, purposely, then i support eircom all the way to milk you for every penny that bandiwdth is worth according to the contract you signed.

ahahaha



i say, **** the bastards.
IOL can't even make a usage counter that works properly.

alleepally

I don't think I'll ever reach my cap.

2nd month with broadband from Digiweb.

So far this month my usage is 1.5gb

10gb per month allowance.

that's all folks

so how are you doin'

tuxy

Originally posted by alleepally
I don't think I'll ever reach my cap.

2nd month with broadband from Digiweb.

So far this month my usage is 1.5gb

10gb per month allowance.

that's all folks

so how are you doin'

i downloaded a linux distro last night
2.3 gb

Mutant_Fruit

meatball: If someone agrees to a condition on ANY contract, and then deliberately breaks that, and admits it in full public view, i think that they should be hit with the penalty full force. I don't care whether its a broadband contract, or just a piece of paper saying that you'll mow your neibhours garden twice a month for 20 euro.

i think that if eircom have a working stats counter, they will charge. And i support them in that. But i still belive that they should increase the cap to a decent level, like 20gb.

Gonzo

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
meatball: If someone agrees to a condition on ANY contract, and then deliberately breaks that, and admits it in full public view, i think that they should be hit with the penalty full force. I don't care whether its a broadband contract, or just a piece of paper saying that you'll mow your neibhours garden twice a month for 20 euro.

i think that if eircom have a working stats counter, they will charge. And i support them in that. But i still belive that they should increase the cap to a decent level, like 20gb.

yeah thats about right, eircoms stats counter is accurate tho it doesnt update as regularly as it shud but when it does its accurate, they can easily charge by just looking this up every month, ive only gone past my limit once and thats by 300mb, i normally stay below 60mb of the limit, off course i would love to totally go well beyond the limit but will not risk it as I know someday eircom will charge and they could even backdate everything. At the same time I think they should up that cap to a normal amount of around 20gb/30gb and it wouldnt harm the network at all. Eircom know now that all their competitors give double so when the caps come into review again I think we can at least hope that eircom will match them to 16gb but that could well be another year away.

popinfresh

This thread has confused me. Does the eircom 40yoyos a month deal now have an 8-gig cap instead of a 4 gig cap, because their website doesn't mention it ????

Gonzo

the €40package has a 4gb cap, the 8gb is for the broadband plus package at €55 a month

beer enigma

I've just told Eircom at the 11th hour that I'm going with Esat because of the 8Gb cap & they've offered to match the cap at the €40 price - anyone else heard of this ??

Nick_oliveri

1 year contract = 1 bollock
I was never told about the 3c per MB = 1 bollock
Ppl on tech support that haven't got a clue = another bollock
Eircom = a big pile of bollocks.

eth0_

Originally posted by Andip
I've just told Eircom at the 11th hour that I'm going with Esat because of the 8Gb cap & they've offered to match the cap at the €40 price - anyone else heard of this ??

Ask to get that IN WRITING!

eth0_

Originally posted by Nick_oliveri
1 year contract = 1 bollock
I was never told about the 3c per MB = 1 bollock
Ppl on tech support that haven't got a clue = another bollock
Eircom = a big pile of bollocks.

Don't you have to sign a contract before you get eircom dsl? Wouldn't it say on the contract about the charge for going over cap?

tuxy

Originally posted by eth0_
Don't you have to sign a contract before you get eircom dsl? Wouldn't it say on the contract about the charge for going over cap?

i never signed a thing

eth0_

Originally posted by tuxx
i never signed a thing

So where do you stand legally if you go over cap? *scratches head*
Surely they have no right to charge you if you never signed a contract agreeing to it?

neokenzo

Originally posted by eth0_
Ask to get that IN WRITING!

I agree, get that in writing. I doubt though Eircom will do that. They have always given the lower cap and I dont see that they would suddenly matching Esat. Soon they would want to match UTV

neokenzo

Originally posted by tuxx
i never signed a thing

Neither did I but its all over their website. Also I think they included in their bill a couple of months ago that they will soon start charging if you go over the cap. Even if we didnt sign anything, I bet its in the T&C. The moment you accepted the BB, I guess the T&C applies immediately.

tuxy

Originally posted by neokenzo
Also I think they included in their bill a couple of months ago that they will soon start charging if you go over the cap.

yes they did but it also said they would contact customers before they start charging

neokenzo

Originally posted by tuxx
yes they did but it also said they would contact customers before they start charging

I guess then no news is good news