Were Catching England!!!

Sposs · 12-05-2004 11:00am #1

New World Rankings

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/3706861.stm

Still Number 15 but England Slip to 12.

eirebhoy · 12-05-2004 11:07am

How are America 8th?

We beat the Czech's 2-1 but still actually dropped rankig points. These ranking points determine the seedings for groups, playoffs, etc. We have dropped 10 points since the start of the year.

cournioni · 12-05-2004 11:10am

We're going to lose more ground in the summer unfortunately. :dunno:

Harry2001 · 12-05-2004 11:16am

The FIFA world rankings are a complete load of ****e - I can't believe anyone takes them seriously

Mexico 6th!!!! FFS

The Rooster · 12-05-2004 12:08pm

The world rankings have never been used for seedings in the European championships qualifiers. The rankings were used once for the seedings for the WC qualifiers, but they were not used in the last draw. Seedings were based purely on results on the last two qualifying competitions.

The rankings may be used for seedings in the actual World Cup Finals, but they're mostly done on a regional basis anyway.

Kone · 12-05-2004 12:08pm

Well said Harry2001, the rankings are a joke

mike65 · 12-05-2004 12:19pm

The rating do not work on a Global basis as The Rooster said so you get strange positions like Mexico 6th. If it were weighted to reflect comparative strengths then the list would look quite different but that would be open to argument.

Mike.

eirebhoy · 12-05-2004 12:32pm

Rooster - You seem to know your stuff with the Snooker rankings, do you know much about how the rankings for FIFA are calculated? If so, can you explain how Ireland dropped ranking points after drawing 0-0 with Brazil and again after beating Czech Republic 2-1? We have been dropping points in every match since the start of the year.

mike65 · 12-05-2004 12:39pm

I suppose Ireland fell cos another team just below won thier game so they rise a place or two and Ireland drop dispite not loosing...or something like that!

Mike.

uberwolf · 12-05-2004 12:40pm

there is a chance (I'm not going looking) that Ireland won two games handsomely that have passed out of teh window of consideration now, those points were prob worth more than those gained for friendlies even despite the results...

eirebhoy · 12-05-2004 12:48pm

Originally posted by mike65
I suppose Ireland fell cos another team just below won thier game so they rise a place or two and Ireland drop dispite not loosing...or something like that!

They didn't actually drop any places in the rankings, they dropped points. For example before the Czech game they had 705 points, after they had 702.

mike65 · 12-05-2004 12:50pm

Ah thanks...well any draw is worth a point last I knew

Mike.

TwoShedsJackson · 12-05-2004 12:54pm

A) As mentioned before, the FIFA rankings are semi-arbitrary, at best.

Must near-everything the Irish do be based on beating the English? :rolleyes:

Sposs · 12-05-2004 12:55pm

Originally posted by TwoShedsJackson

Must near-everything the Irish do be based on beating the English? :rolleyes: [/B]

Yes.

Harry2001 · 12-05-2004 12:57pm

Originally posted by TwoShedsJackson
A) Must near-everything the Irish do be based on beating the English? :rolleyes:

I don't undertand that either

The Brigadier · 12-05-2004 10:34pm

Originally posted by TwoShedsJackson

Must near-everything the Irish do be based on beating the English? :rolleyes:

Up the IRA, no surrender, Go Celtic....:rolleyes:

bbop · 12-05-2004 11:52pm

i have a motto in life that i cant respect anyone who supports Celtic, they are all hypocrits who are just as bad as Rangers fans

Mossy Monk · 13-05-2004 7:37am

Originally posted by bbop
i have a motto in life that i cant respect anyone who supports Celtic, they are all hypocrits who are just as bad as Rangers fans

i like pie

eirebhoy · 13-05-2004 11:38am

Originally posted by bbop
i have a motto in life that i cant respect anyone who supports Celtic

Me too.

The Rooster · 13-05-2004 12:22pm

The world rankings are 100% scientific. There is nothing arbitary about them. They are based on performances over the previous 8 years, with more recent results carrying a heavier weighting.

Points gained depend on the competition played in (i.e most points for finals tournaments, least points for friendles) and also depend on where you stand in the world rankings compared to where your opponent stands - i.e Brazil would get more points for beating Ireland than for beating Norn Iron. But on the opposite side Norn Iron would get more points for beating Brazil than Ireland would.

Goals scored and conceded are also taken into account, as is home advantage.

Why did Ireland lose points (albeit a tiny amount) despite good results in the period?

This is difficult to explain! But I'll have a go.

Its because of the weighting of recent results v prior results. All results in the same period over the last 8 years lose 1/8th of their value (total 8 8ths), and they are replaced by results from the current period, which would have full value, i.e. 8 8ths. So the conclusion is Ireland must have a pretty good record for games played in that period each year - so by drawing with Brazil and beating Czech they simply (almost) maintained their position at just over 700 points.

cournioni · 13-05-2004 12:24pm

Originally posted by TwoShedsJackson
Must near-everything the Irish do be based on beating the English? :rolleyes:

Yes, because they are our rivals (in Soccer, Rugby etc.). Just like Manchester United hates Liverpool and vice versa. Quit crying about it, thats the way it is and nothing is going to change it.

PiE · 13-05-2004 12:35pm

Originally posted by Mossy Monk
i like pie

Thanks.

Mossy Monk · 13-05-2004 12:44pm

Originally posted by PiE
Thanks.

no problem

iasc · 13-05-2004 1:25pm

the rankings are absoloute piss, if you want proper rankings just look at the bookies odds when the time comes to the world cup and european championships to determine how good teams are

Villain · 13-05-2004 1:29pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Yes, because they are our rivals (in Soccer, Rugby etc.). Just like Manchester United hates Liverpool and vice versa. Quit crying about it, thats the way it is and nothing is going to change it.

well said PORNAPSTER.

It's ok if you support the Pool and hate Utd or support Kerry and hate Cork.

But for some reason if you support Celtic and hate Rangers your a thug and if you support Ireland and hate england ..... well you can see from this thread.

Oh and I agree the rankings are piss we are FAR BETTER than the English:p

Pepe LeFrits · 13-05-2004 1:46pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Yes, because they are our rivals (in Soccer, Rugby etc.). Just like Manchester United hates Liverpool and vice versa. Quit crying about it, thats the way it is and nothing is going to change it.

No it isn't. The rivalry is all one-way, and it's pretty sad really.

iasc · 13-05-2004 1:48pm

its two-way have u ever been to a liverpool/utd match

Villain · 13-05-2004 1:48pm

Originally posted by kaids
No it isn't. The rivalry is all one-way, and it's pretty sad really.

lol, wouldn't bet on that one

cournioni · 13-05-2004 2:02pm

Originally posted by kaids
No it isn't. The rivalry is all one-way, and it's pretty sad really.

Were you at the Ireland vs. England match in 95? Yeah, they all love us.

iasc · 13-05-2004 2:34pm

If its Ireland v England, then the english are gonna support their country just like theyd support their country against anyone else. They dont really care if we win or lose against other teams, actually in the fact alot of english people ive met like ireland to do well, Thos lads in 95 were just thugs that cause trouble anywhere. But i think most countries love it when England lose. Its kinda like them and the germans, england love to see the germans lose, while the germans dont really care as much about them

Pepe LeFrits · 13-05-2004 3:01pm

Ireland aren't seen as rivals by the English, for the most part they support us. World Cup 94 was a good example, the English were creaming themselves over Ireland, praising them endlessly and wishing success to them. 'Ray Houghton's goal of the tournament', the mighty Irish etc.

Of course, when it is the other way round as it so often is, Irish people in general love to see England fail... which amazes the English no end.

Dont be at yourself · 13-05-2004 3:03pm

It's no less than they deserve, coming here and taking our land, destroying our culture and murdering our ancestors!!1111111

iasc · 13-05-2004 3:04pm

i think its the whole 800 years thing

Villain · 13-05-2004 3:25pm

Originally posted by kaids
Ireland aren't seen as rivals by the English, for the most part they support us. World Cup 94 was a good example, the English were creaming themselves over Ireland, praising them endlessly and wishing success to them. 'Ray Houghton's goal of the tournament', the mighty Irish etc.

Thats mostly bull mate, sorry not many English soccer supporters want to see Ireland do well.

Originally posted by kaids

Of course, when it is the other way round as it so often is, Irish people in general love to see England fail... which amazes the English no end.

I think they have a fair idea why, not saying its right but they have a fair idea.

BTW the French hate the English more than us.

iasc · 13-05-2004 3:29pm

Originally posted by irish1
Thats mostly bull mate, sorry not many English soccer supporters want to see Ireland do well.

its not bull, they dont have the same animosty we have towards them, they like when the countries in the "British Isles" do well

Villain · 13-05-2004 3:36pm

Originally posted by iasc

Originally posted by irish1
Thats mostly bull mate, sorry not many English soccer supporters want to see Ireland do well.

its not bull, they dont have the same animosty we have towards them, they like when the countries in the "British Isles" do well

I never said they "have the same animosty we have towards them", I really love the way people put words in your mouth:rolleyes:

Pepe LeFrits · 13-05-2004 3:37pm

Originally posted by irish1
Thats mostly bull mate, sorry not many English soccer supporters want to see Ireland do well.

No, it isn't. The Irish nation has a chip on its shoulder when it comes to the English. It's blatently obvious, and it isn't mutual.

iasc · 13-05-2004 3:39pm

Originally posted by irish1
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I never said they "have the same animosty we have towards them", I really love the way people put words in your mouth:rolleyes:

i never said you said that...your putting words in my mouth now...:)

PiE · 13-05-2004 3:41pm

It's true, most English people are shocked when they realise the hate Irish soccer fans have for their team.

It's definitely not a two-way thing, in general.

Villain · 13-05-2004 3:44pm

Originally posted by iasc
i never said you said that...your putting words in my mouth now...:)

you replied to my post stating that, only one way to pick that up mate:dunno:

Harry2001 · 13-05-2004 3:53pm

A lot of English people want Ireland to do well if they are in a big competition but quiet rightly couldn’t care less other wise, but because of the desire of most Irish people to see England fail at every opportunity some English people I know want Ireland to lose now too.

We don’t play each other enough anymore in football to have a proper rivalry but I do agree that some people have an island sized chip on their shoulder when it comes to England.

iasc · 13-05-2004 3:53pm

Originally posted by irish1
you replied to my post stating that, only one way to pick that up mate:dunno:

You said it was bull, i replied saying it was not bull, then explained myself, now where was i putting words in your mouth? The point is that the majority of english supporters would like to see us do well than not....and thats the general consensus of people here

Villain · 13-05-2004 3:57pm

Originally posted by iasc
You said it was bull, i replied saying it was not bull, then explained myself, now where was i putting words in your mouth? The point is that the majority of english supporters would like to see us do well than not....and thats the general consensus of people here

Fair enough I took it that way.

I dont think they would like us to do well, I'm not saying and never have that they feel the same about us as we do about them, but to say they want us to do well is bull.

I know quite a few english people who slag me off when we lose its not that they hate us but they just don't want us to do well, and lets face it if we do much better we'l over take them.

iasc · 13-05-2004 4:03pm

They wouldnt want us to do better than them in competitions or anything, but if they were knocked out of anything, theyd cheers us on, where on the other hand we'd want them to lose as badly as possible. Theyre probabaly slagging you as a natural response to you slaggin them, where as if ya never slagged them in the first place they prolly would shout Ireland on, ya never know. When i was in france on holidays watching the world cup, all the english and scottish would support the irish, when they were playing, but when the english are playing, the irish and scottish cheered the other team. The english saw this as 'inferiority complex' more than anything else and laughed it off as fun.

Villain · 13-05-2004 4:08pm

we'l just have to agree to disagree, the English people you know obviously have didn't opinions that the ones I know.

I'm talking about hardcore fans now, I mean I know loads of Irish people who wouldn't be looking for England to lose.

And after all everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether its popular or not.

I honestly don't see much difference between ABE (anybody but England) and ABU(anybody but United)

Harry2001 · 13-05-2004 4:09pm

Originally posted by iasc
The english saw this as 'inferiority complex' more than anything else and laughed it off as fun.

Good point, that’s exactly what it is. It's a bit like hating Man Utd because your team is not as good or glamorous as them (probably why I hate them) but that’s purely football related hatred, some peoples hatred of England is purely political.

iasc · 13-05-2004 4:13pm

Originally posted by Harry2001
Good point, that’s exactly what it is. It's a bit like hating Man Utd because your team is not as good or glamorous as them (probably why I hate them) but that’s purely football related hatred, some peoples hatred of England is purely political.

Thats what the English think..

I think even if they were rubbish we'd hope theyd lose
Like look at Brazil..theyre obviously savage, most people would admire them here, and would rather see them win a world cup than England..why, because we wouldnt hear the end of it, if it was England, i thinks its 'holier than thou' attitude of most english supporters that makes us hate them more than any 800 years or political reasons.

Harry2001 · 13-05-2004 4:26pm

That’s the same everywhere though, I know a Argentine guy who was dreading Brazil winning the World Cup because he would never hear the end of it.

cournioni · 13-05-2004 4:44pm

Where is the fun in not hating England? Thats all it is really.

I don't see any United fans complaining about any ABU's out there. And lets face it there are alot of ABU's. Why do ABU's hate United so much? Ask them.

iasc · 13-05-2004 4:49pm

ah theres plenty fun in hating england.. i dont care what sport its at..as long as they do crap...

bizmark · 13-05-2004 4:56pm

I like england and i like english people i would never will their team to lose for the sake of it (unless their playing ireland of course) and im sure thats the same for many many irish people

Its still funny as **** when heasky (sp) falls on his ass though

Were Catching England!!!

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