Justin Barrett on Today FM now...

mike65

Worth a listen if only to remind us why we should'nt vote for him.

Mike.

Mighty_Mouse

missed it! was listening on the internet waiting and all. any crazy ideas from justin?

mike65

No crazier than usual he reiterated his views on "Ireland for the Irish" which was quite enough for this blow-in...

Mike.

Paul Hughes

Well done Justin another outstanding performance from JB.

Mike are you against an "Irish Irealnd" ?

PS for those people who have been asking why I hav'nt been posting here, the reason been that unlike some people I actually have to work.

gandalf

Maybe you can define an "Irish Ireland" for us?

spongebob

Did the Obersturmbannfuhrer himself not tell his StormthrOOpers not to post on this Board. Remember These Words from the Oberstrurmbannfuhrer . Then again your only crime is disloyalty Paul. , probably. Did not another Paul say he was the real Paul and not you ?

Do explain , I'm fascinated.

M

Paul Hughes

Originally posted by gandalf
Maybe you can define an "Irish Ireland" for us?

An "Irish Ireland" would be an Ireland without 100'000s of Chinese or Nigerians.

mike65

Originally posted by Paul Hughes


Mike are you against an "Irish Irealnd" ?

I have no problem with Irish ppl, even those who can't spell but its big enough for some of the rest of us too.

Mike.

gandalf

So anyone other than "Chinese" or "Nigerians" are welcome eh?

sceptre

On the off-chance that you're the real Paul and not that other Paul who said you weren't, my questions still stand and await an answer that doesn't include the insults freely transmitted by supporters on the Justin Barrett fawn-fest masquerading as a forum.

Actually, what the hell, I'll quote some of the questions unanswered by the guy who said he was Justin Barrett[1]:

Originally posted by sceptre
5: Given your elevated purported concern about Irish jobs and Irish people, why is your website and forum hosted in the United States of America?

6: Given your statement on announcing a candidacy for Ireland East ("I will be a candidate for the Irish province of Leinster. I'll leave running in artificial regions like Ireland East, which de-personalise and de-nationalise, to others") can you reconcile your position on movement of people across nasty artificial boundaries within the EU to both this and the residency in Ireland of people without pure Irish DNA without resorting to nationalist rhetoric of the extreme variety?

7: With that in mind, do you still deny the veracity of the report by Derek Scally and Deaglán de Bréadún in the Irish Times of 11 October 2002 with a comment by Holger Apfel, deputy president of the National Democratic Party that there has been contact between the NPD and "his (Barrett's) group since 1996" and that they are "friendly with his Youth Defence organisation"? And the quote from Sascha Rossmüller, leader of the Young National Democrats (JN), the youth wing of the NPD, in the same article stating that he had ben in contact with you (Justin Barrett) for many years and that Youth Defence is "an important part of our (JN's) international network, along with the National Front in the UK and Forza Nuova in Italy?

8: If you do why didn't you sue the Irish Times and Irish Mirror as you promised to do in October 2002? Is it because they told the truth?

9: Given your admittance that Youth Defence gave 70,000 euros to Precious Life (mentioned in the Sunday Mirror article of 29 September 2002), a Scottish anti-abortion grouping headed by Jim Dowson, an ex-Orangeman with a firearms conviction, despite your contradictory assertion that Precious Life were not "funded" by Youth Defence, what's your position on the threats of violence and "direct action" made by that grouping against doctors who indulge in abortions?

10: Do you believe as the International Third Position (the ITP, founded by Derek Holland (who went to Libya to apply for funding from Colonel Qadafi in the late 1980s and according to both Times and Mirror present at the NPD's conference in Passau along with you) and Roberto Fiore (who fled Italy in 1980 after the Bologna railway bombing which killed 85 people and according to the Mirror shared a platform with you in Civitanova on 21 July 2001), with "carefully tuned positions on ultra-Catholicism and racial purity") does, that attempts to form any multi-cultural society are "against the will of God"?

11: Do you still stand by all comments you made during your eventually aborted campaign for the presidency of the Union of Students in Ireland in 1992, back when you were called Justin Slevin?

12: What's your position on the contribution of articles by Youth Defence members to the National Front/ITP magazine Condour in the early 1990s?

[1]... and said to ignore both Paul Hugheses but I've got a sense of fun

Paul Hughes

Thats just one example but I could go on forever.

Paul Hughes

Originally posted by sceptre
On the off-chance that you're the real Paul and not that other Paul who said you weren't, my questions still stand and await an answer that doesn't include the insults freely transmitted by supporters on the Justin Barrett fawn-fest masquerading as a forum.

Actually, what the hell, I'll quote some of the questions unanswered by the guy who said he was Justin Barrett[1]:



[1]... and said to ignore both Paul Hugheses but I've got a sense of fun

Those Questions are for Justin to answer not me.

gandalf

I'm sure you could but you better back up your statements with more than just soundbites or I will be banning you from this forum quite rapidally.

Now explain why you do not want Nigerians and Chinese in Ireland or get lost.

Paul Hughes

Well why dont you explain why we should have them here in large nos while their are Irish people on the dole ?

Heard it, and to be honest,I never heard such rubbish, spouted out of a more annoying accent in a long time.

I'll summarise it for you in a line or two.
Vote for me, I'll stop them coming.
Vote for me and we'll kick them out.
Vote for me and we'll forget that we as Irish for years went abroad 'cause there was no work here and we can all be hypocrites.

And finally, vote for me and I'll kick them all out so we can reduce social welfare payments the maths works something like this....
120,000 on the dole, we can reduce that to 80,000 straight away by kicking out the 40,000 non Irish working here in the hospitality industry and else where.
The gospel according to justin...:rolleyes:

Of course it wasn't all said like that, but that was the gist of it...
There was the usual fowl pseudo racism ie I love my country, but don't goi putting words in my mouth saying i hate non Irish because of that... nowe'll just kick them all out.
He dressed this up by saying, that we would be exploiting all these new people and we would be draining the lifes blood from the new entrant countries...

Oh and he also got in the bit about family values...not to mention how gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married and he repeated his pro life mantra

Oh and I thought the bit about how he loves to go into the lions left wing den of UCD or Trinity to get a shouting down at debates there to be funny...

Enuf said...

Meh

Originally posted by Paul Hughes
Well why dont you explain why we should have them here in large nos while their are Irish people on the dole ?

Because the Irish people on the dole aren't qualified for or willing to work at the jobs available?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3694515.stm

gandalf

Nice classical Sales Technique there answering a question with a question. Now explain why you don't want Nigerians and Chinese in Ireland?

This is your last chance..................

mike65

Aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! The old Irish ppl on the Dole tactic. The only Irish who are unemployed full time (and not doing nixers) are those who are not capable of work as in disabled or while most of the rest are just plain lazy/stoopid (both of which should be fixed)

Dont be tempted to quote the Live Register at me as thats not a measure of unemployed, its a total of several different catagories. The actual "full time unemployed" only account for about 75000 ppl at the moment which in a working population of over 2 million is peanuts.

Meanwhile there are whole sectors of this ecomony and public services that would fold without imported labour such as horticulture and the health service.

Some reading on labour http://www.fas.ie/FAS_Review/LMO.html

Mike.

Paul Hughes

Originally posted by gandalf
Nice classical Sales Technique there answering a question with a question. Now explain why you don't want Nigerians and Chinese in Ireland?

This is your last chance..................

Because I dont want Ireland to end up looking like China or Nigeria in the future.
I dont mind them in small nos but their is too many of them here.
Is that too much to ask to want Ireland to remain Irish ?

Lump

Originally posted by gandalf
Maybe you can define an "Irish Ireland" for us?

A racist Ireland


John

sceptre

Originally posted by Paul Hughes
Those Questions are for Justin to answer not me.

Perhaps but I don't think he's ever going to answer them. Or anything like them. As I've pointed out before, he doesn't appear to answer questions on his own site. And all the prior agreements with radio hosts on what can be asked and what can't be asked isn't going to answer the fact that he's unwilling to address these points.

And frankly, Paul (whether you're the real Paul or not) you're no better. If you're the same Paul Hughes who posts on the "Your Say" section of the Justin Barrett site, you answer relevant questions with insults. If you're not the same Paul Hughes, you're not even up to doing that. Soundbites are a waste of space here as most people here have the copon to regard them as worse than saying nothing at all. Soundbites result in people circling like vultures to pick off the few scraps of actual statements made in them. And deservedly so.

gandalf

So basically what you are saying is that you want Ireland to remain White. Would this be a typical opinion of someone who supports Justin Barrett?

Paul Hughes

Your been racist towards the Irish people when you say those on the dole are "not capable of work" freinds of mine have been on it for a few mouths and genuinely cant get work.

As for the industries that would "fold" I dont believe that It would just mean they would have to start paying Irish people desent money.

Originally posted by mike65
Aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! The old Irish ppl on the Dole tactic. The only Irish who are unemployed full time (and not doing nixers) are those who are not capable of work as in disabled or whiole most of the rest are just plain lazy/stoopid.

Dont be tempted to quote the Live Register at me as thats not a measure of unemployed, its a total of several different catagories. The actual "full time unemployed" only account for about 75000 ppl at the moment which in a working population of over 2 million is peanuts.

Meanwhile there are whole sectors of this ecomony and public services that would fold without imported labour such as horticulture and the health service.

Mike.

Paul Hughes

Originally posted by Lump
A racist Ireland


John

A "racist" is someone who hates other races I dont hate anyone.

sceptre

Originally posted by Paul Hughes
Because I dont want Ireland to end up looking like China or Nigeria in the future.
I dont mind them in small nos but their is too many of them here.

And a shout of "STRIIIIIKKKKKE" went up from the hordes of watching baseball fans.

I doubt anyone needs to summarise the above. You could have at least pulled some semblance of an argument from the other threads discussing the citizenship referendum rather than running with the "I don't like the look of black or yellow people" line.

As Mike has pointed out, Ireland has full economic employment as defined by any economist. Please don't run with the unemployed argument again as it just looks silly. Tell Justin that too, there's a good chap.

Meh

Originally posted by Paul Hughes
Your been racist towards the Irish people when you say those on the dole are "not capable of work" freinds of mine have been on it for a few mouths and genuinely cant get work.

They must not be looking very hard. I see a big help wanted ad in the window of the supermarket I pass on the way into work every morning. Maybe your friends are too good to work stacking shelves, but luckily there are plenty of immigrants who are willing to do it.

As for the industries that would "fold" I dont believe that It would just mean they would have to start paying Irish people desent money.

And where would all this extra money come from? That's right, out of the consumer's pocket in higher prices.

A "racist" is someone who hates other races

Incorrect

sixtysix

Jean Marie Le Barrett

some of us used to refer to Youth Defence as Hitler Youth
little did we know how right we were
racism is the last hiding place of every chancer politician in europe.

BuffyBot

A "racist" is someone who hates other races I dont hate anyone.

You just don't like them much...

TuathaDeDanaan

Any such thing as an original thought here?

Go on Justin!

PaulHughesWH

Okay,

I see that this little impersonation game is still persisting. I do not want to waste my time posting on this site, but If this impersonation and behind-backs baiting continues, I will be forced take legal measures.

My beliefs are my own, and not to be shared with the likes of you, who would take pleasure in walking them into the ground.

therecklessone

Originally posted by PaulHughesWH
but If this impersonation and behind-backs baiting continues, I will be forced take legal measures.

I'll save you the effort. You'd be laughed out of court (and have a hefty legal bill).

PaulHughesWH

Originally posted by mike65
Worth a listen if only to remind us why we should'nt vote for him.

Mike.

I love the Red grasp of freedom of speech, i.e. you have the right to freedom of speech only if you think a certain way.

oscarBravo

Originally posted by PaulHughesWH
I love the Red grasp of freedom of speech, i.e. you have the right to freedom of speech only if you think a certain way.

Is this typical of the reasoning ability of Justin Barrett supporters? Since when does freedom of speech mean the right not to be disagreed with? Who here has suggested that Justin Barrett should not be allowed to speak his mind?

I vehemently disagree with pretty much everything Justin Barrett has to say, but I will vigorously defend his right to say it - just as I will vigorously defend everyone else's right to lambaste his views.

gandalf

Originally posted by PaulHughesWH
Okay,

I see that this little impersonation game is still persisting. I do not want to waste my time posting on this site, but If this impersonation and behind-backs baiting continues, I will be forced take legal measures.

My beliefs are my own, and not to be shared with the likes of you, who would take pleasure in walking them into the ground.

If you are worried about your name being used I would suggest contacting the admins of this site and see what they can do. They have allowed this other user setup the account PaulHughes in good faith, if he is using this account to discredit you and misrepresent your views have no fear all his/her details are logged here.

As for this discussion board if you spent some time on it you would realise that this forum is used by people from a wide spectrum of political viewpoints.

spongebob

It does not matter which Paul Hughes is the 'Right One' . The Obersturmbannfuhrer has told them all to stay away .

M

pdh

This Justin Barrett guy seems to get up the nose of a lot of trendy PC folk in the media and on this board.
Don't know much details about his policies, however would say I am in agreement with approx 60% of what he stands for and so will give him the No.1

Maybe he might get close to 10% of the poll, how do others feel on this ?

Ryvita

Originally posted by pdh
This Justin Barrett guy seems to get up the nose of a lot of trendy PC folk in the media and on this board.
Don't know much details about his policies, however would say I am in agreement with approx 60% of what he stands for and so will give him the No.1

Maybe he might get close to 10% of the poll, how do others feel on this ?

Most people would kind of view him as a racist and a bigot. More people would see him as a bit of a joke really. And I guess some people agree with what he says. I guess the election will tell us. That's the great thing about democracy.

pdh

Why do people always start using derogatory terms when they want to oppose people who raise issues like illegal immigration. Maybe they want to frighten ordinary people away from the debate until the issue is out of control and then we as a society will have to face real racism and ghettos just like the UK

Oh by the way, the racism that is out there is not that mush of a problem, and it does not all originate from the native Irish.

BuffyBot

Why do people always start using derogatory terms when they want to oppose people who raise issues like illegal immigration.

See, thats the thing. People generally don't (I find) if the otherside are starting on a reasonable footing. Unfortunately, Barrett and his gang don't seem to like debating with the people who oppose his views.

Obscure

Its pretty sad when anyone who mentions immigration (without condemning it) is suddenly branded as "racist". Every country has some level of immigration control, does that make every country "racist". As far as i could tell from the interview all Justin Barrett said was that there should be some level of control. He didnt say there should be complete ban on people coming into Ireland. This was a perfectly reasonable belief and the proof that is that it the standard is almost every country.

Matt Cooper is a really **** interviewer. He spent the entire time trying to make sly remarks about Barrett and then giggling to himself like a ****ing ejjet.

It was brought up that Barrett is against abortion. This is a perfectly correct opinion if you feel that it is the murder of babies. Instead Matt Copper started incinuting (as far as i remember) that Barrett was a fascist or something because Barrett tried to put pressure on politicians to be against abortion. Putting pressure on politions doesnt make you a fascist!

In the end instead of Matt Cooper havent an intelligent conversation and making argurments against Barretts beliefs, Cooper acted like a child and kept on talking over him and making unsupported accusations.

Barrett said nothing during the interview that i could be 100% against (apart from maybe the abortion issue).

Barrett did make a good point saying that it was an Irish religious order who suggested that Irish immigration should be capped in American because it was harming Ireland. Maybe the same is happening to the immigrant countries and Ireland would be doing them a favour (as it turned out America did for us) by us capping the number of people coming in.

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Obscure
As far as i could tell from the interview all Justin Barrett said was that there should be some level of control.

This implies that there is currently no control over immigration in this country. If you believe this to be the case, you really ought to educate yourself on the issues before voting.

Meh

Originally posted by PaulHughesWH
I love the Red grasp of freedom of speech, i.e. you have the right to freedom of speech only if you think a certain way.

Coming from the guy who's threatening "legal measures" if we don't stop talking about him, that's pretty funny.

Obscure

Originally posted by oscarBravo
This implies that there is currently no control over immigration in this country.

As far as i remember from the interview he said that Ireland should have imposed the same restrictions on new EU members that EVERY OTHER EU country did. This does not sounded wildly racist to me! Does it sound strange to you?

If you believe this to be the case, you really ought to educate yourself on the issues before voting.

Since you sound so educated yourself, maybe you could try forming an argument rather than trying unsuccessfully to insult people.

sceptre

Originally posted by Obscure
As far as i remember from the interview he said that Ireland should have imposed the same restrictions on new EU members that EVERY OTHER EU country did. This does not sounded wildly racist to me! Does it sound strange to you?

Sounds wildly incorrect to me. Ireland is not the only EU member that hasn't imposed restrictions on free movement of workers from the new EU states.

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Obscure
As far as i remember from the interview he said that Ireland should have imposed the same restrictions on new EU members that EVERY OTHER EU country did. This does not sounded wildly racist to me! Does it sound strange to you?

Ignoring the fact that this reply avoids the point I made: when did he become such a fan of the EU? Does he believe we should be like EVERY OTHER EU country in EVERY OTHER way?

Obscure

Originally posted by sceptre
Sounds wildly incorrect to me. Ireland is not the only EU member that hasn't imposed restrictions on free movement of workers from the new EU states.

AND if that is the case then Matt Cooper should have picked Barrett up on it instead of trying to giggling at him!

sceptre

Originally posted by Obscure
AND if that is the case then Matt Cooper should have picked Barrett up on it instead of trying to giggling at him!

Are you trying to move the blame for Barrett making stuff up on to the interviewer? That seems rather silly.

It is the case. Drop the "If". Look it up and get back to me.

Obscure

Originally posted by sceptre
Are you trying to move the blame for Barrett making stuff up on to the interviewer? That seems rather silly.

No, you said you believe other counties waived their right to impose restrictions. Barrett said they did not. Matt Cooper should have knew if Barrett was telling the truth, and then pointed it out. Thats what makes an interview and an interviewer.

To set the record straight, what other EU counties waived the right to impose restrictions on the immigration of workers from new EU counties?

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Obscure
Since you sound so educated yourself, maybe you could try forming an argument rather than trying unsuccessfully to insult people.

If you're that easily insulted, your ego's going to take a lot of bruising here on boards. Have you looked up the answer to Sceptre's question yet? He's right, you know.

Obscure

Originally posted by oscarBravo
If you're that easily insulted, your ego's going to take a lot of bruising here on boards. Have you looked up the answer to Sceptre's question yet? He's right, you know.

Phew... found something:

Ireland now only EU state not to restrict access
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0205/1049549205HM1EUROPE.html

gandalf

I think you will find that Social Welfare regulations have been tightened up since that article.

http://www.welfare.ie/press/pr04/pr020304.html