Maxine Carr to be set free (Article)

Villain

Maxine Carr who was involved in the deaths of the 2 Soham girls is to be released this friday.

Full story From SkyNews:

CARR FREED ON FRIDAY

Maxine Carr will be let out of jail to start a new life this Friday.

Carr, 27, will be released two days earlier than her official release date and will be taken to a secret location, sources told the Press Association news agency.


The former fiancee of Soham killer Ian Huntley was due for automatic release on licence at the halfway point of her sentence next Sunday.

But under prison rules, anyone due for release over a weekend who is serving less than four years is set free on the preceding Friday.

Carr, currently at Foston Hall prison near Derby, will be smuggled out of jail. Her ultimate destination is unknown, but she wants to live as close as possible to her family in Lincolnshire.

She was sentenced to three-and-a-half years at the Old Bailey last December after she gave Huntley a false alibi.

He was given two life sentences for murdering 10-year-olds Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman at the house he shared with Carr in Soham, Cambridgeshire.

Carr has appeared at Nottingham Crown Court on separate fraud charges.

She has been placed on a three-year supervision order after admitting 15 counts of benefit fraud and five counts of lying about her qualifications in job applications.

Carr worked as a classroom assistant at the school where the girls were pupils.

The benefit fraud charges included housing benefit, income support and jobseeker's allowance.

:: Carr should be allowed to rebuild her life and could be absorbed back into her home town "bit by bit" over the years to come, believes Canon Michael Hunter, rector of Grimsby.

He said she was "a further victim" of Ian Huntley and deserved a chance"

Xterminator

I dont believe for a minute she was a 'victim'.

She may not be the brightest spark, but she is menatally capable of distingushing wrong from right.

Her actions led to the prolonged agony of the ral victims families, as the counted the hours, hoping their loved ones would be found alive.

Still she's served her sentance, and should be given a chance to rebuild her life.

X

seamus

Originally posted by Xterminator
She may not be the brightest spark, but she is menatally capable of distingushing wrong from right.

Sometimes you do the wrong thing because you're sure you're right.
I think most people would have done the same in her situation. 3.5 years was far too harsh, and the McMedia have all but destroyed her life.

Way to go morons.

mr_angry

I agree. I don't think she did anything malicious, but she still didn't do the right thing. I hope that she can get back to some sort of anonymity, but to be honest, I wouldn't like to be in her shoes right now.

Seraphina

i think the real crime is that people would do less time than she did for ACTUALLY killing someone. all she did was give an alibi. in fairness it sounds worse than it was, but when you're engaged to someone who has just murdered two young girls, you're gonna do what he ****in tells you.

df001i6876

Serapina i agree.

But if someone told me too keep silent {girl friend}
i don't think i could. no matter how much .i love her
straight too the police i would have went.if some one told me too put my head in the oven i would not. loves a funny thing.

she as too live with it all her life.

although i don't feel sorry for her.

If she had come forward and told the police
she would have been a hero. silly girl,
my sorrow has too go to the parents . Off them poor murdered children .

MrPudding

She could only have gone forward if she knew he had done it. Is it not the case that she thought he did not do it? I might be wrong here but I thought that she thought that he didn't do it.

MrP

df001i6876

she must have knowen some think . no one is that thick
too supply him with a Alibi.

MrPudding

That's the thing. We don't know. She was away when it happened. She comes back and we have 2 scenarios. First he says "I didn't do nuffin." Most of us would probably believe our partners if they told us they were not responsible for a heinous crime. Not necessarily because we know they couldn’t or wouldn’t be capable of it, but because we wouldn’t want to believe that they would do it. In this case she probably saw no wrong in giving the alibi because as far as she was concerned she was simply aiding an innocent man.

The second option is where she did no and for whatever reason still decided to supply the alibi. Here there could be a number of reasons. Firstly the old “well if he killed 2 kids and wants an alibi from me maybe I should give him it in case he kills me as well.” Or, simply that she loved the guy in spite of what she did. In this case what she did was wrong. But as someone pointed out earlier, people who have actually murdered people have received lighter prison sentences.

MrP

vibe666

i grew up in Ely, the town next to Soham where this all happened, so it's a subject very close to my heart. I went to school with Jessica's uncle and used to work in Soham in a pub.

i'm finding it hard to forgive her for what she did, but i don't think it happened on purpose. i think in the beginning she believed he was innocent, and by the time she realised he wasn't it was too late for her to come forward, and with that much hanging over you it can seem easier to just keep quiet and hope for the best.

she's very stupid, and possible not quite all there in the first place for getting mixed up with Huntley, but i can imagine someone like him being very manipulative and for someone as weak willed as her i think he would have been the controlling influence in her life.

she fvcked up big style, and she's going to pay for it the rest of her life. where can she go? she's a social pariah for telling a lie in good faith, and for that is going to have to spend the rest of her life sitting in some house watching tv, unable to set foot outside her door for fear of someone recognising her and calling the press, or worse, coming to lynch her.

i think she's going to suffer more than enough for her crime personally.

seamus

Originally posted by vibe666
she fvcked up big style, and she's going to pay for it the rest of her life.

Well, that's the only thing. She didn't really fuck up that badly at all. Had she not supplied him with an alibi, the only person who's life would be changed would be hers. The British police may have saved a few quid, and the press may have had less of a frenzy over it, but other than that, events would have played out pretty much identically.

In my opinion

MrPudding

You are 100% spot on there Seamus.

MrP

Divine

Well at the end of the day she did not kill them, she did not know they were to be killed and she was mad about the two of them so she would have definately prevented it from happening if she could.

She's just easily led, could have happened to any insecure young woman out there.

Or at least thats what i think

pork99

Originally posted by vibe666
for that is going to have to spend the rest of her life sitting in some house watching tv, unable to set foot outside her door for fear of someone recognising her and calling the press, or worse, coming to lynch her.

Surely she will be (or has already been?) relocated somewhere like Canada, Australia or New Zealand? Maybe given plastic surgery?

pro_gnostic_8

I have to say that I'm quite surprised at the liberal attitude being expressed so far in this thread. Maybe I need to soften up a little, but I cannot share this compassion shown towards MC.

To re-cap, Carr's first act on returning from Grimsby was to do a complete washdown of her house in Soham to destroy any evidence of the murders. If that isn't a crime of conspiracy then I don't know what is. In my neck of the woods a conspiracy to conceal a crime IS a crime ............. especially a crime so horrific as the awful murder of those two kids.

Then, she bare-faced(ly) lies in the most sickenly coquettish and tearful manner on nationwide TV knowing that Holly's and Jessica's parents were, at that very moment, searching for their daughters.

Someone posted here earlier saying that the investigation would anyway have run its course, but, if memory serves me it was 13 days later that the bodies were found only by chance by two ramblers many miles away from Soham.

IMO, she didn't get enough.

Joe23

Originally posted by Seraphina
i think the real crime is that people would do less time than she did for ACTUALLY killing someone. all she did was give an alibi. in fairness it sounds worse than it was, but when you're engaged to someone who has just murdered two young girls, you're gonna do what he ****in tells you.

Would you say the same, had he killed again as a result of her Alibi? Also don't go comparing, its an imprefect system but its the only one.

seamus

Originally posted by pro_gnostic_8
To re-cap, Carr's first act on returning from Grimsby was to do a complete washdown of her house in Soham to destroy any evidence of the murders. If that isn't a crime of conspiracy then I don't know what is. In my neck of the woods a conspiracy to conceal a crime IS a crime ............. especially a crime so horrific as the awful murder of those two kids.

Links? Proof? Surely if this had occured, she would have been up on much more grievous charges.

Then, she bare-faced(ly) lies in the most sickenly coquettish and tearful manner on nationwide TV knowing that Holly's and Jessica's parents were, at that very moment, searching for their daughters.

What was the lie? She said nothing to the press about Ian Huntley's whereabouts. She knew nothing of the fate of he children.

Someone posted here earlier saying that the investigation would anyway have run its course, but, if memory serves me it was 13 days later that the bodies were found only by chance by two ramblers many miles away from Soham.

Yes....so either way the bodies were found. What's 13 days?

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by seamus
Yes....so either way the bodies were found. What's 13 days?

have you no thoughts for the girls parents?

how bout if your children were missing, and preumsed dead. sure whats 13 days until you find out? im sure you could go about your life normally, not knowing where your missing kids were and what some sicko might be doing to them.

one of the most stupid things ive ever heard and im surprised that it was you who said it.

seamus

Originally posted by whosurpaddy
one of the most stupid things ive ever heard and im surprised that it was you who said it.

Sorry, it's actually something I said before, I just couldn't be arsed repeating myself.

Is it worth completely ruining someone else's life just because of less than two weeks' extra unsurity?

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by seamus
Sorry, it's actually something I said before, I just couldn't be arsed repeating myself.

Is it worth completely ruining someone else's life just because of less than two weeks' extra unsurity?

i dont get what u mean by the first bit.

as for the second bit. as far as im concerned she is not a victim here. the murdered childs parents are. you havent said yet whether you have any regard for them at all.

were not talking about 2 weeks of not knowing where your car keys are, were talking about 2 weeks of not knowing whether or not you will ever see your child alive again, or whether someone has tortured/raped/murdered them. (do me a favour and re-read that last sentence before you dismiss it as "unsurity")

seamus

Originally posted by whosurpaddy
as for the second bit. as far as im concerned she is not a victim here. the murdered childs parents are. you havent said yet whether you have any regard for them at all.

Of course I do. It's an absolutely horrific thing to have happen.

were not talking about 2 weeks of not knowing where your car keys are, were talking about 2 weeks of not knowing whether or not you will ever see your child alive again, or whether someone has tortured/raped/murdered them. (do me a favour and re-read that last sentence before you dismiss it as "unsurity")

I'm fully aware of what was involved. I'm sure it was the worst two weeks of their life, and I'd never want to go through it myself. However, Maxine Carr's life has been ruined over a lie that proved inconsequential in the end. People (do they include you?) are saying that she deserves it because of the extra time it took to find the bodies and bring Ian Huntley to justice. I'm saying it's inconsequential. What is a few days of extra anguish for the parents and extra police expense compared to her entire life being ruined by an overzealous media. She'll never be safe. There are actual convicted peadophiles and murderers walking the streets in safety, because no-one knows who they are. Is she worse than them?

Can you, hand on your heart, say you wouldn't have done the same in her situation?

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by seamus
I'm fully aware of what was involved. I'm sure it was the worst two weeks of their life, and I'd never want to go through it myself.

Originally posted by seamus
. I'm saying it's inconsequential. What is a few days of extra anguish for the parents

your kind contradicting yourself there tbh. the parents are the ones deserving of our sympathy here, not maxine carr. i think her sentence was shorter that it should have been, but thats my own opinion and not it doesnt really matter. no i dont think her entire life should be ruined. she should neve work with kids again but other than that id say she should be free to do as she wants. shes not worse than peadophiles or whoever you mentioned, but i dont see why they compare.

what i am saying is that your downplaying the importance of those 2 weeks to the people who suffered the most in this(with the exception of the 2 little girls), the parents. im sure those 2 weeks of not knowing were hell for the parents .

seamus

Originally posted by whosurpaddy
what i am saying is that your downplaying the importance of those 2 weeks to the people who suffered the most in this(with the exception of the 2 little girls), the parents. im sure those 2 weeks of not knowing were hell for the parents .

I'm not downplaying it in the slightest. I'm saying that there is absolutely no justification for Maxine Carr's current state of affairs, not even those two weeks of hell the parents had to go through.

whosurpaddy

thats all i wanted you to realise, it was hell for them. your post before my first one made me think u didnt seem to get that.

on the subject of her current situation i dont see that its differant from any other high profile case in england where someone has been vilified. granted she hasnt actually killed anyone.

id imagine she will go abroad somewhere with a new identity and as was said previously possibly get plastic surgery.

Ph3n0m

The simple fact is that Maxine Carr did not kill anyone, she was in no way involved in the horrific crime that her former fiancee committed.

What Maxine Carr is guilty of is simply perverting the course of justice (in relation to that particular crime) - that is all she did.

Whats gets me is that the tabloids and media in general have pretty much branded her Myra Hindley 2 - when even the police and the media have admitted she did not partake in those savage murders.

The parents of the murdered children do deserve every sympathy - but her lies did not prevent the inevitable finding of the childrens' bodies - she could have thought Huntley was innocent and as with some people, lied to protect the man she "loved". Even though it was proved the night of the murders she was out with another bloke (a rugby player if I remember correctly)

Maxine Carr has become the most hated woman in Britain, merely by association with the crime. As someone pointed out earlier, other murderers committed of murder have in fact recieved less jail time then she did - that points to a flaw in the British justice system.

Should Maxine Carr be allowed live her life now that she has been released - of course she should. Should she be targetted by mindless vigilantes and death threats - absolutely not - she committed no crime, except what I have pointed out above. How many vigilante attacks have you ever heard being committed against people who pervert the course of justice - next to nil.

Vilification of this sort totally shows the brainless and down-right stupidity of some people in our society today. A society that allows the media to blacken the name of a relative innocent person (in comparrison to the actual person who committed the crime), a society that demands to know where this women is going to live and what families she will be in contact with - so freaking what.

Personally if she moved into my area, I wouldnt bat an eyelid - in my mind she has committed nothing worse then telling a few lies

pro_gnostic_8

Originally posted by seamus

What was the lie? She said nothing to the press about Ian Huntley's whereabouts.

"She gave police and journalists a vivid and consistent picture of what she and Huntley did in Soham together on the day Holly and Jessica were murdered. She described at length the meals they ate, the television programmes they watched, the clothes they wore. She could not be caught out, though she knew - Huntley had told her - that the girls had been in the house. There appear to be three possible motives behind Carr's lies.........."
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/soham/story/0,14010,1109150,00.html


Incidentally, on a previous occassion she had also provided Huntley with an alibi after a different sex crime. Had she NOT done so, Huntley would likely have been convicted and placed on an offenders register thereby precluding him from securing the janitors position at the school.

Some might (like the previous poster) believe that perverting the course of justice is a minor offence but in an instance involving the murder and concealment of two children surely it is of great abhorrence.

Seamus, you ask for proof regarding Carr's possible involvement in sanitising and sterilising the murder scene(the house). Well, the investigating officers and the prosecution apparently think she did. Same link.