Recuiters and fake jobs

test999

What's the story with recruiters sending out emails for jobs that don't exist?

I got an email today for a role, I clicked on the link, and see that the advert has been updated today, the 27th of April, so I call, and I'm told that the job is closed to applicants and that they company is doing second level interviews.

The company was eolas.ie

DaithiSurfer

I did some work for an Irish recruitment website (one of the most popular ones) and can tell you it's true. Its not to harvest CV's but to look good and look busy, like they were the best recruiter to the punter and the investor.
Even wrote an app to help create and upload these fake jobs. Hell there was even a flag in the datbase to say if a job was real or not.

I have a friend still working there and he says its still going on but these days there are more real jobs there than last year.

Sleipnir

Originally posted by test999

The company was eolas.ie

Eolas are the worst guys for doing that. Most of their jobs are fake and you'll see the same 'job' advertised on different sites with the wording changed slightly.
Any time I see a job with Eolas in the text, I skip it.

RicardoSmith

On RecruitIreland the jobs role over every morning and are listed as posted that day whereas in fact they could have been the site for weeks if not months. It gives the impression theres hundreds of new jobs on it daily. But there isn't.

Monsters.ie is much more reliable.

RicardoSmith

Another annoying thing is when companies have 3 or 4 agencies advertising the same job, but each description i slightly different so you can't be sure.

Johnny Versace

Yup this is my experience too.

Either the jobs are fake, or there are multiple multiple multiple adverts for the one job.

...

When people say to me, "but there are loads of IT jobs, just look at the recruitment websites", and I say, "but the jobs don't actually exist", they never believe me.

It sucks indeed.

Villain

eolas.ie is pure ****, crowd of nitwits.

Hobbes

Originally posted by irish1
eolas.ie is pure ****, crowd of nitwits.

Noticing that too. Getting emails from "new job alerts" and one on eolas I have seen the exact same job appear again and again. Either it's fake or that company has some serious turnover.

RicardoSmith

I've had 4 agencies ring me about the same job in the last week or so. Its described differently by each agency, but its the same job.

alleepally

sounds like this thread would make a nice article for one of the newspapers..

Verdammt

Originally posted by Hobbes
Noticing that too. Getting emails from "new job alerts" and one on eolas I have seen the exact same job appear again and again. Either it's fake or that company has some serious turnover.

OK, I recently got a very nice cushy job from Eolas with one of their big clients. This particular client has a bit of a high turn over of staff for different reasons. The reason they seem to be recruiting for the same jobs is because the vacancies keep popping up.

SantaHoe

Isn't it disgusting that they toy with people like that?
Someone could have really had thier hopes up about a fake job they thought they'd be perfect for.
This is far worse than spam, and there should be laws against it.
fuckers.

RicardoSmith

Originally posted by Verdammt
OK, I recently got a very nice cushy job from Eolas with one of their big clients. This particular client has a bit of a high turn over of staff for different reasons. The reason they seem to be recruiting for the same jobs is because the vacancies keep popping up.

Must be bad if the turnover is so fast that they need the same ad posted for months at a time.

Wrestlemania

Eolas guys are the worst to deal, job advertised for tech support in dundalk since xmas.

bang in my cv no reply..ring Mark in eolas on a call, put on hold, then told send cv to him.

did this nothing..


forgot about it saw it again did the same thing 5 times nothing eolas are dodgy and a pack a wasters, sent a vicious email to them saying that they were in fact a very shady group and very unprofessional. eh vola a reply.... thanks only took 5 months...


my advice stay away from them

DaithiSurfer

Several of my friends who are involved in recruiting staff for their respective companies have decided to only take staff from 1 or 2 agencies.

And none of them will deal with Eolas at all. How do Eolas keep on trukin' because the word about them is sure as hell getting round. I'd tell you the name of the company i worked for too who did this but i signed a NDA for them.

It wasn't Eolas though.

misho

Do anybody have a recent experience with this agency?
I'm checking through their available vacancies. Some of them seem to be quite interesting, for me anyway. Hope not all of them are fake

Tom Dunne

misho wrote:

Do anybody have a recent experience with this agency?
I'm checking through their available vacancies. Some of them seem to be quite interesting, for me anyway. Hope not all of them are fake

You do realise this thread is three years old, don't you?

Jumpy

tom dunne wrote:

You do realise this thread is three years old, don't you?

Hence why he asked for recent experience.

amen

i believe it is actually illegal to advertise a job that does not exist

BostonB

amen wrote:

i believe it is actually illegal to advertise a job that does not exist

How would you prove it?

Jumpy

BostonB wrote:

How would you prove it?

They have records. It would be simple to prove. However I do not think it is illegal as they get most of their cv's that way.

run_Forrest_run

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "recruitment agents = satan spawn"
I will never use them [again]. I used them in the past only to be messed around and now that I have more experience I realise it is better to deal directly with companies.

pclancy

A lot of agencies advertise recurring jobs that come up time and again or stick up a generic ad for the same skills eg "C++ developers wanted", but yeah advertising fake jobs is stupid!

We're not all satan spawn, though for a long time I did think so myself , some of us actually do take pride in putting people in the right jobs, once you get a rep for doing that and treating people well, word of mouth means you'll get plenty of work without having to advertise fake jobs.

run_Forrest_run

pclancy wrote:

A lot of agencies advertise recurring jobs that come up time and again or stick up a generic ad for the same skills eg "C++ developers wanted", but yeah advertising fake jobs is stupid!

We're not all satan spawn, though for a long time I did think so myself , some of us actually do take pride in putting people in the right jobs, once you get a rep for doing that and treating people well, word of mouth means you'll get plenty of work without having to advertise fake jobs.

fair enough but the majority of the big players do tend to make up jobs so it is a constant hassle dealing with them. Also I found they did not have the skilled people to talk to you in [reasonable] detail about the job. I mean I was often told that the candidate must have 'Java' or 'J2EE'! I mean that's way too vague.

John Mason

i think they should be all lined up and shot personally - you go in and they are all OMG i have the perfect job for you - and then 4 years later you get a text message saying "we have the must perfect job for you, please forward please phone me to arrange a time for the interview" or else you get "we are updating our records and would like you to come in to us. or my favorite one is then agencies phoning me looking for people - DO YOUR OWN JOB NOW **** OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE

Raekwon

irishbird wrote:

or my favorite one is then agencies phoning me looking for people - DO YOUR OWN JOB NOW **** OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE

I got a few calls/mails from recruiters and when I told them I wasn't interested in the role they were offering, they basically told me; "If you are not interested in this role then maybe you might have some friends or family who would be interested?".

Useless b******d's!

flash harry

Raekwon wrote:

I got a few calls/mails from recruiters and when I told them I wasn't interested in the role they were offering, they basically told me; "If you are not interested in this role then maybe you might have some friends or family who would be interested?".

Useless b******d's!

forgive my ignorance, after all I'm a lowly recruiter so obviously I'm a bit dim, but what exactly is wrong with asking someone in a specific industry if they know anyone who may be interested????

mentalson

Kelly Services in Cork put ads in the Echo for a few weeks last year advertising administration positions. When I enquired I was told that there weren't any actual current positions but they wanted CVs as they would have positions available soon. submitted CV and got a call from them a few months later for a cold calling telesales job.

Raekwon

flash harry wrote:

forgive my ignorance, after all I'm a lowly recruiter so obviously I'm a bit dim, but what exactly is wrong with asking someone in a specific industry if they know anyone who may be interested????

I would love to answer your question but I find talking to recruitment *****ultants a complete waste of time

the_syco

run_Forrest_run wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "recruitment agents = satan spawn"
I will never use them [again]. I used them in the past only to be messed around and now that I have more experience I realise it is better to deal directly with companies.

Unfortunately, CPL are the only way to get into HP, IBM, and a few others, if you have no experience (and sometimes even if you do). SoS, yes, possible to avoid them to get those first few months of experience, no.

Ibjiba

the_syco wrote:

Unfortunately, CPL are the only way to get into HP, IBM, and a few others, if you have no experience (and sometimes even if you do). SoS, yes, possible to avoid them to get those first few months of experience, no.

Just as you say they can be useful, but are still many times incredibly annoying. As far as possible, stick with reputable agencies and make sure to get a personal contact you can trust in. If you ask around you might find an old colleague or so who converted to the bad side... That might be a good way to get someone trustworthy.

mikemac

I've got my last two jobs with agencies.

What I found strange is both times, they started ringing me exactly 6 months after my start date telling me about all the great positions they have.

I don't mind, they are only trying to get new commissions.
But they obviously don't give a damn about their client companies who paid a few thousand to get me and now the agency want me to move again just as I've gotten off probation.

Very sly and I doubt the company would be impressed

flash harry

Raekwon wrote:

I would love to answer your question but I find talking to recruitment *****ultants a complete waste of time

ha ha that's pathetic.....

BostonB

flash harry wrote:

forgive my ignorance, after all I'm a lowly recruiter so obviously I'm a bit dim, but what exactly is wrong with asking someone in a specific industry if they know anyone who may be interested????

Depends how many times you've been asked. Sorry I meant spammed.

pclancy

Any decent agency will have an option to unsubscribe from their mailing list or be removed from their database of contacts if you dont want to hear from them again. You have every right not to be 'hassled' if you dont want to be.

Raekwon

flash harry wrote:

ha ha that's pathetic.....

That's rich coming from you. Your sole purpose on boards seems to be defend recruiters and sniffing out work for yourself. That's more then pathetic, it's actually very sad.

BostonB

pclancy wrote:

Any decent agency .....

LOL

pclancy

Ah well....everyones going to have their opinion, i was fecked around by plenty of agencies as well in my time, but a bit of research made me realise whos good and whos crap, its not rocket science to find out and after 7 years working in IT between tech support, field service and sales I crossed to the other side and work for a good one. Ive done really well by not putting people in the wrong jobs and actually putting candidates needs ahead of clients. You'll learn eventually who the scumbags are and that there might just be a few decent ones out there...

SQDD

I'd like to name and shame CM recruitment in Cork, bunch of wasters, especially the foreign receptionist. Basically told I had a job in Stryker (prosthetic manufacturing company) heard nothing back re the job despite calling them several jobs, it happens that I hear them offering someone a job in Apple over the phone in there so I said i'd be delighted to work there if they were recruiting, got called, told I had a job there, told i'd be called with details, they said i'd be starting wed/thurs.. call them thurs morning asking if i'm starting thurs afternoon told that apple weren't hiring, and they'd get onto me, called in there frequently over 2 months and nothing... what a bunch of wasters

flash harry

Raekwon wrote:

That's rich coming from you. Your sole purpose on boards seems to be defend recruiters and sniffing out work for yourself. That's more then pathetic, it's actually very sad.

So, you cannot answer a simple question to back up an opinion you've shared with us (thanks by the way), and its more pathetic than what exactly??? defending the fact that not all recruiters are muppets?????

flash harry

pclancy wrote:

Ive done really well by not putting people in the wrong jobs and actually putting candidates needs ahead of clients. You'll learn eventually who the scumbags are and that there might just be a few decent ones out there...

well said

Raekwon

flash harry wrote:

So, you cannot answer a simple question to back up an opinion you've shared with us (thanks by the way), and its more pathetic than what exactly??? defending the fact that not all recruiters are muppets?????

Wow, I can see that you have all the charm and charisma to succeed at your chosen (cough) profession (/cough). Also do I really need to backup my opinion??? Isn't the answer painfully obvious!?! Why should people do your job for you? Can you not spread your own misery without trying to enroll members of the public to join in with your sordid charade???

As for defending the fact that all recruiters are muppets.........well that is very admirable of you :rolleyes: Btw, I like the way you completely blanked out my 'sniffing out work for yourself' comment. Have you ever send PM's to people who posted about jobs in this forum?

To sum up, I find recruiters are about as useful as the cardboard roll at the end of toilet paper. They have no real purpose but sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you have no choice but to use them

pclancy

Okay here's a question then....why do companies use recruitment agencies at all if they're such a pack of cardboard-made misery spreading sordid muppets?

Why does the industry exist if its such as waste of space and why do people looking for jobs go to them instead of going directly to a company?

pclancy

Id also like to point out that Id never use boards for any kind of recruitment purpose either on a thread or in a pm....Ive used this site for a long time and love it way to much to jeapordise my access by trying to get candidates or job advertising without paying for it. I do like to see peoples opinions on agencies and consultants though, I know we're hated by many, I got a lot of stick from IT mates when I began working here but its paying for my education and wont be a lifelong career believe me!

flash harry

Raekwon wrote:

Wow, I can see that you have all the charm and charisma to succeed at your chosen (cough) profession (/cough). Also do I really need to backup my opinion??? Isn't the answer painfully obvious!?! Why should people do your job for you? Can you not spread your own misery without trying to enroll members of the public to join in with your sordid charade???

You should get that cold seen to......you see this is my problem, your judging a whole profession on some recruiters experience you have had. I work well with my job seekers and am honest re if I can help them. Therefore when I ask them for a referral (sales 101 by the way) its not a big deal - actually most of the best people I get come this way. Your not doing my job, simply helping me for helping you if we both are in a position to do so.

Raekwon wrote:

As for defending the fact that all recruiters are muppets.........well that is very admirable of you :rolleyes: Btw, I like the way you completely blanked out my 'sniffing out work for yourself' comment. Have you ever send PM's to people who posted about jobs in this forum?

Not sure what you mean re on this but if you are asking have I contacted/PM re roles - YES I have 3 times as far as I know. One person I couldnt help as what they has said in post was untrue re experience, other never returned mail, and 3rd I placed in job with a c 30% salary increase (by the way she referred other people to me as well before getting her own job- I should really pay her for doing my job, oh no wait it was her treating me with the respect she was treated with). From post above this may not be allowed - if so apologies I didn't realise.

Raekwon wrote:

To sum up, I find recruiters are about as useful as the cardboard roll at the end of toilet paper. They have no real purpose but sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you have no choice but to use them

Classy but contradictary

Can I ask you a serious, no BS question - do you work in IT?

Raekwon

pclancy wrote:

Okay here's a question then....why do companies use recruitment agencies at all if they're such a pack of cardboard-made misery spreading sordid muppets?

Why does the industry exist if its such as waste of space and why do people looking for jobs go to them instead of going directly to a company?

Simple. A recruiter's sole purpose is to do the dirty work that Human Resource's should be doing. People use recruiters because sometimes every other avenue to a certain role is closed and they have no choice but to submit themselves to the torment that recruiters tend to inflict.

pclancy wrote:

Id also like to point out that Id never use boards for any kind of recruitment purpose either on a thread or in a pm....Ive used this site for a long time and love it way to much to jeapordise my access by trying to get candidates or job advertising without paying for it. I do like to see peoples opinions on agencies and consultants though, I know we're hated by many, I got a lot of stick from IT mates when I began working here but its paying for my education and wont be a lifelong career believe me!

Hang on a second, where did I say that you sent PM's to anybody that uses these boards? Like your mates, I also work in IT and I'm sure you can understand my frustration at the standards of recruiters in this sector, especially because you have been on both sides of this particular fence.

flash_harry wrote:

Classy but contradictary

Can I ask you a serious, no BS question - do you work in IT?

Contradictory you mean? Not really. People hate going to the dentist but if it is absolutely necessary then they have to go right?

I do work in IT and I am sure that even you will admit that IT recruitment in Ireland is an absolute shambles. I have hundreds of examples of the the sort of stupidity that myself and fellow IT professionals have been subjected to over the years. My favorite was a few years ago when I got a call about a job as a Nurse-Administrator in a retirement home. I can only guess a dodgy keyword search threw up a match between Nurse-Admin and Network-Admin :rolleyes:

Kinetic^

Hehe, I've been playing the fools at their own game.....I submitted a CV last week to a few places and met a couple of them, they're constantly ringing and leaving me voicemails...........suckers!!!

flash harry

Raekwon wrote:

Contradictory you mean? Not really. People hate going to the dentist but if it is absolutely necessary then they have to go right?

I do work in IT and I am sure that even you will admit that IT recruitment in Ireland is an absolute shambles. I have hundreds of examples of the the sort of stupidity that myself and fellow IT professionals have been subjected to over the years. My favorite was a few years ago when I got a call about a job as a Nurse-Administrator in a retirement home. I can only guess a dodgy keyword search threw up a match between Nurse-Admin and Network-Admin :rolleyes:

Raekwon, lets not go down the spelling road, "hundreds of examples of the the sort.... " - we're all not perfect......BUT at last I think we are about to agree on something, the IT recruitment industry appears to be especially bad, pclancy note I didn't say everyone......

syklops

Couple of interesting stories:

I applied for a Unix Admin job, and in the Job Spec they asked for a 3rd Level Degree. I submitted my CV and 2 mins later got a standard reply saying "thank you for submitting your CV, someone will be in contact shortly". But the subject of the email was <job #86868 Unix Admin Candidate does not meet minimum requirements>. I can only surmise they do some pattern matching on the CV when it comes in and Marks it as stupid if it does not mention Degree somewhere in it. As a test, I edited my CV to contain a line "I have some degree of knowledge in Computer architecture", and resubmitted it under a different email address, and got a bounce back saying <Job #86868 Unix Admin - Qualified Candidate>.

I then wrote back to them and told them classifying the email was one thing. Letting the candidate know you have done so, is just not cricket. I also pointed out that a degree in CS these days, does not qualify you to open a command shell, not to mind Administer Unix Systems. (No offence to any CS students).

Other story, I got a call from a recruiter last week offering a programming job to me(well interview I mean). And I said "What languages are requied", and she said "English, but another would be an advantage". And i said "No, what computer languages?", and she said "Oh, are there different ones?"

pclancy

Lads, I never said anyone said Id sent PMs etc, I was just pointing it out that I myself hadnt...

Was interesting to hear stories good/bad from everyone, that was my main reason for paying attention to this thread, there are a HUGE amount of idiots in the industry and as far as I know its up with estate agents, clampers and double glazing salespeople! It gets frustrating to be generalised but that goes with the territory though I guess! I just wish people would shop around, find an agency that treats you well and stick with them, dont just assume we're all idiots.

the_syco

pclancy wrote:

Okay here's a question then....why do companies use recruitment agencies at all if they're such a pack of cardboard-made misery spreading sordid muppets?

Its cheap. If, for example, GO gave XOK lots of money, to provide staff, and XOK were able to provide GO with staff, and also do the admin for the wages, and hold the interviews themselves, this would mean that GO would save money.

syklops wrote:

Other story, I got a call from a recruiter last week offering a programming job to me(well interview I mean). And I said "What languages are requied", and she said "English, but another would be an advantage". And i said "No, what computer languages?", and she said "Oh, are there different ones?"

The one reason why I actually like CPL. They actually know stuff about the job they're trying to get you to do. Esp the black/Indian dude called Ben. Knew what the questions that he asked me meant, so if I didn't, he was able to rephrase them.