Montoya vs Schumacher

irishgeo

Any body see the Schumacher pushed Montayo of the track yesterday.

I mean no way was that one blocking move. He must have blocked two times at least.

didnt see the post race press conference. But this quote from Montoya shows how angery he was.

A driver must be blind or stupid not to have seen me.

Also this question from the post race press conference.

Q: (Olaf Bachmann – Koelner Stadt Anzeiger): Juan, can you explain your gesture on the last lap to Michael?
JPM: I just said ‘what happened, what were you thinking’. That’s all.
MS: I thought you were congratulating me.
JPM: I never do actually.
FIA

Looks like there is no love lost there. I would love to see the Williams more competative in the races and more battles between Montoya and Schumacher.

Doctor J

Nah, Montoya's not in the same class, sadly. He's like Barrichello, when he's unhappy, he's slow. When Montoya really wants to he can perform miracles in a car. I'd say he's looking at McLaren and cursing his poor judgement then taking it out on Williams.

Let's just hope next season is a little more interesting.

Kersh

Montoya put his car in such a position as to be pushed off the track. Trust me when I say the stupidest thing ever is to try go around the outside of someone, they just wont let you. Its an invitation to be pushed off. And its not illegal either if you you do end up pushing someone off. If Montoya felt that strongly about it he should have hit the brakes and sent Schuey barrell rolling off down the track.

aine

I think Montoya has the drive and the ambition to be great unforunately you just cannot outdo Schumi when it comes to control....Montoya´s Latin temper will always get the better of him......having said that it is a pleasure to watch him drive, sometimes watching MS is a bit clinical, but Montoya well he drives to thrill!

Kalina

Montoyas my favourite driver on the grid, I think he has the potential to win championships.
But, like Doc J said, he is like Barrichello on temperament and complains a lot, he's not on fire with speed when he's angry like he was by Schueys move. He should've been doing everything in his power to attack Schuey after that block but instead he dropped back and didn't really have that great a race. It's a pity cos if he had got by on that corner the race might have had a very different outcome. A win for Juan Pablo would've been just the thing to shake Ferrari's domination- if only a tiny bit!!

Dcully

Plain and simple Ferrari is the best car,I doubt Schumi would be so dominant in another car.
Also Schumi always has got away with murder on many occasions.
It was an illegal move he done on Montoya.
The guys gets away with everything,last year marshals pushed his car out of sand trap at Nurby [a totally ilegal action in F1]and was there a penalty?No there seems to be a seperate rule book for him in fairness.
He is the best driver out there but only just ,and is made look all the better with the great Ferrari package.
Makes me sick the way F1 is getting more boring every race weekend

Woden

Originally posted by Dcully

Also Schumi always has got away with murder on many occasions.
It was an illegal move he done on Montoya.
The guys gets away with everything,last year marshals pushed his car out of sand trap at Nurby [a totally ilegal action in F1]and was there a penalty?No there seems to be a seperate rule book for him in fairness.

aye i'm sure i've said it once and i'll say it again, ferrari the man utd. of formula 1 yeah i think they get away with murder also

bizmark

Scumy does what is needed to win thats what makes him the all time best ....Montoya doesnt thats what makes him an also ran

SouperComputer

MS was out of order. IIRC the cars made contact twice.

Outside moves may not be the smartest idea at times, but when you push someone off the cicuit (beyond the white line) and then subsequently push the driver beyond a 1m kerb, thats plain taking the pi$$

Dr. Dre

To be fair, Ferrari is where they are today with the help of Schumachers technical insight over the years in developing the car(s). People forget the other qualities required of a racing driver, other than just pure driving skill, which, to me, looks like Schumacher has in abundance. I don't think you will find anyone in the sport who would question, his fitness, his hunger, his enjoyment - his all-out dedication to the sport.

I've said it here before, Montoya lacks the temperament to be a successful F1 driver IMO. I think maybe Kimi & Alonso may be contenders, though Alonso might need to keep his attitude in check also.

Yesterdays altercation was very agressive, but I have yet to see any names in the sport give out about it, in any of the F1 articles regarding yesterdays race - in fact there are a few articles that suggest that both JPM and RF got a dressing down from Head and Williams yesterday - regarding their driving attitude at various stages of yesterdays race. Having said that, there have been many times where Schumachers driving has bordered on the reckless.

I would love nothing more than to see Schumacher take on all these pretenders in the exact same car over a couple of once off races, no practices, no qualifying, just straight out of the bag racing - but we have to face the fact that this is highly unlikely.

I do agree that it would seem that Schumacher gets preferential treatment, as Dcully mentioned, that incident in Nurburgring made me cringe, as an obvious Schumacher fan. I can't do the useless comparisons to Fangio et al, as I've only been watching since circa 1985, but to me he is ONE of the greatest racing drivers ever.

I tend to stay away from defending Schumacher usually and quietly ignore the various comments made about him, like how he is the cause of F1 becoming boring etc.. But I just thought I'd say my 2 cents.

Sorry to digress off topic, mods please move to a new post should you feel fit.
Cheers.

neokenzo

Originally posted by Dcully
Plain and simple Ferrari is the best car,I doubt Schumi would be so dominant in another car.
Also Schumi always has got away with murder on many occasions.
It was an illegal move he done on Montoya.
The guys gets away with everything,last year marshals pushed his car out of sand trap at Nurby [a totally ilegal action in F1]and was there a penalty?No there seems to be a seperate rule book for him in fairness.
He is the best driver out there but only just ,and is made look all the better with the great Ferrari package.
Makes me sick the way F1 is getting more boring every race weekend

I agree. I think there's two set of rules in Formula 1. One for Schumi and one for the rest of the drivers.

You are allowed to block once and Schumi did it more than once but then again he's always doing it. This is not the first and surely not the last either. I think if it was the other way around, Montoya would definitely get a drive through penalty.

I'd really like to see the FIA not biased towars Schumi. Then we can really see whether he is really that good or not.

Dr. Dre

Originally posted by neokenzo
....You are allowed to block once and Schumi did it more than once...

AFAIK
You are allowed to move off the racing line to block once, however you can maintain your racing line, with the effect of forcing a competitor wide, should do so wish.

Nuttzz

Montonya is a moaner, even Williams are getting rid of the so called best talent on the grid, you dont hear the likes of Webber moan and groan. He replaced Button and button is wiping his eye, thats a pity isnt it

greglo23

so its not okay for schumi to push montoya off but it is ok for montoya to push ralph off. get a little perspective here guys.montoya is a moaner and he`s a sorry boy he signed for maclaren next year

v10

Originally posted by Dr. Dre
... however you can maintain your racing line, with the effect of forcing a competitor wide, should do so wish.

Thats how I seen it .. Schumi simply went through the corner staying on the racing line while Montoya tried a move on the outside ...
The racing line at that point runs over the kerb so Montoya was only ever going to go wide unless he backed off. Why should Schumi have backed off ? He had the racing line and position.

I do enjoy watching Montoya drive (sometimes) but he'll never match Schumi's consistency and therefore never be as complete a driver.

As for this quote :

MS: I thought you were congratulating me.
JPM: I never do actually.

... it only shows how arrogant Montoya is. If he can't respect Schumacher for his acheivements in F1, then he doesn't deserve to be a champion.

Originally posted by Dcully
last year marshals pushed his car out of sand trap at Nurby [a totally ilegal action in F1]and was there a penalty?

Sorry mate ... you're wrong there .. the marshalls pushing his car was perfectly legal and proved at the time that Schumi generally knows the rules better than the team principals do.

Roll on win 5 in a row .... (and championship 7)

Kersh

Yes, like I said Montoya put his car in a position to be pushed off. As regards the Nurburgring when Schuey got pushed out of the gravel, that was not against the rules. He didnt stall the car, so the safest and quickest way for the marshals to deal with it was to push him back on the track. If he had stalled his engine, then it would have been an illegal push start. Just for the record I am not a Schuey fan (he cheated in 94 with illegal traction control), all I am saying is he did not break the rules when he was pushed out of the gravel.

BANZAI_RUNNER

O.K. guys heres my slant on it , montoya is a whinger just like coulthard and hill , when hakkinen was racing agains schumy there were numerous incidents like last sundays , and hakkinen just got on with racing , he never complained. montoya is a racing driver, he should start acting like one

aine

Originally posted by BANZAI_RUNNER
O.K. guys heres my slant on it , montoya is a whinger just like coulthard and hill , when hakkinen was racing agains schumy there were numerous incidents like last sundays , and hakkinen just got on with racing , he never complained. montoya is a racing driver, he should start acting like one

what so everybody should just bow down to the god that is MS and when he makes illegal moves you just pick yourself up and get on with it?!!

Nobody doubts his talent, his ambition his technical insight but he is not the be all and end all of the sport, I mean people said the same about Senna, but the sport continued after his death and it will after MS retires. Montoya may be a bit of a whinger but maybe he has just cause!

Kersh

There was nothing illegal about anything Schumacher did last sunday. nothing. He put Alonso on the grass at silverstone last year, that was illegal. He whacked King Villeneuve in 97, that was illegal. However, taking your line thru a corner is not illegal, the fact that montoya was there(outside him) is a question only Montoya can answer. Like I would do, Schuey just ignored the fact that he was there, and carried on.

projectmayhem

what schumi did was just race. tough, deal with it. nothing more can possibly be done to fix the situation.

as for their driving abilities, schumi is in a class of his own. montoya is like jesus in a race car when he's on form, but otherwise he's above average...