pepper spray

TOMSIE

Some time in the future i would like to do a martial art, but for the moment i am following a fitness plan and a spirtual path that takes up my time.

I am thinking of buying some type of spray that would allow me to defeat an attacker. Remember watching jackass when johny joxvile got sprayed it really flattened him. but i dont want to get a spray that might actually kill someone or leave them permantantly blind.

Do you know of a reliable good company who mabeye supplies the police or army of some country with some type of pepper spray that i can buy on the internet or in ireland.

Also some martial artists might like to complement there tradioal arts non combative like karate tai chi kung fu with the use of spray because it is so effective and i think a spray would be one of the best defences against knife attack because once it takes effect it imbolises the attacker. Also the time frame is prety quick to learn how to defend yourself.

I would like to point out that i do not drink much mabeye 3 pints in a 2 hour period and am aged 25 also i live in the countryside away from typicaly the more dangerous cities.

I hope to stimulate dissusion on all areas of this topic and have the following statements that mabeye you can correct me on.

A spray would be quick to learn and very effective for some time.

To survive in a street fight it helps if you are a competing martial artists in the more violent real and competive martial arts like boxing thai boxing and grapping arts such as brazilain grapping or judo where you have actually done real life traing

I dont care what anyone says strength is a big help in a street fight

You cant beat everone in a fight i have meet some very tough violent street fighter and there are very strong men who do weight work a tough manually job and physically gifted people and i would have to do a hell of a lot of weight training cardiovasically training as well as learning a effective martial arts for about 2 years to stand a chance of betting them

i you hit someone your in trouble with the law so i gussing if you spray someone you will be in about the same amount of trouble legally.

In most violent street assults you dont know the person attacking you and they dont know you so you might get away with using a spray without going to jail also if they have a knife or if there a few of them or your with your girfriend you mightnt have an option but to defend yourself.

If you are out of shape sometimes you cant run away and sometimes running away can trigger them to come after you.

To those who say i will spend the next few years learning grapping and stand up fighting to protect yourself dont you think that in some ways that a kind of excuse to gloryfy fighting and enhance your own self image as a warrior when a pepper spray could be equally as effective.

The media dont really make a big deal of pepper sprays because there not much money to be made out of them and you cant real have magazine or exciting movie with them scenes contantly in them i think its human nature to enjoy watching some violence

I do not wish to offend anybody and realise there more to martial arts than self protection but for those who cannot train i think i might be a good alternative that you might suggest just to help people to protect themselves.

I would like to appoligise for the length of the post i just kept writing but if you have knowlege in these areas could you please read the whole post carefull.

Also any advice you give i would hope to contribute to other people to help them protects themselves and give them peace of mind.

TOMSIE

Sorry forgot this but if you know anybody like policeman or self defence instructor who could teach me how to use pepper spray or someone who has make a good video or book on the use of the spray i would appreciate it.

BoB_BoT

i doubt anyone will take offence to your statements, because quite honestly if you can advoid a fight buy using some sort of spray it would be great. But I'm pretty sure pepper spray is illegal here, have a friend who has some, powerful stuff, but not so good if it got into the wrong hands, saying that i'm not so sure it's in the best of hands now lol. Only kidding
good luck on finding something legal.

Rob

dudara

AFAIK pepper spray is illegal in this country

Unjaku

OC and pepper spray are completely illegal to carry in this country.

BrianD3

Looks like pepper spray is a "prohibited weapon" under the 1925 Firearms act. Any weapon which discharges a noxious liquid or gas falls into ths category, and pepper spray would probably be classed as a noxious liquid.

BrianD3

BoB_BoT

yes, but so is carrying a knife....

Musashi

Pepper spray is classed under chemical weapons along with Tranquiliser darts etc.
(trust me I know this to be true)
It is also illegal to carry, let alone use a knife! There are exceptions,like work use or national costume, but what is a classically dressed scottish builder or fisherman doing in the town square at three in the morning with a broadsword??
People here do train in many martial arts for myriad reasons, one is probably self defense.The main thing, to my mind, is not which art u learn but that you are willing to fight to defend yourself! Boxing,Karate,Muay Thai etc. all help but a martial attitude, being willing to fight rather than be the victim, is more important! Also, a good run is far better than a bad stand and short circuits the aftermath,hospital,courts,law etc.
Also a spray,staff,knife,sword or magic wand causes many to focus on the implement and when it fails to work they don't know what to do! Try to arrange a multi-tiered response to aggression! Walk away,call the Gardai so there is a record of your being harassed/threatened,stay in bright and densely populated areas, call bouncers in a club,stay with mates,whatever you can do to avoid or de-escalate hassle!
Could you expand on the threat you face or feel you may be required to deal with?
A Dubliner fearing a mugging with body fluids I could see their point but a quiet country lad going for a few quiet pints in his local?Who are you expecting to have to "Mace"?? Be aware of your area and who's in it and move away from escalating situations,lads looking for hassle are usually easy to spot and avoid early on in things.
Please feel free to reply and clarify as you see fit!

Victor

So how will pepper spray protect you frfom a gang attack or an attack from behind?

Emboss

A spray would be quick to learn and very effective for some time.

LYNX! NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF SMELL!

they say practice makes perfect so everyday after your shower

try some deoderant....hold a few inches away from arm pit and spary....

you'll be a pepper spray ninjan in no time!!



:rolleyes:

Musashi

the expression "prohibited weapon" means and includes any weapon of whatever description designed for the discharge of any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing, and also any ammunition (whether for any such weapon as aforesaid or for any other weapon) which contains or is designed or adapted to contain any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing;

FIREARMS AND OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ACT, 1990 SECTION 9

9.—(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence.

(2) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (2), it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had the article with him for use at work or for a recreational purpose.

(4) Where a person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the onus of proving which shall lie on him), has with him in any public place—

( a ) any flick-knife, or
( b ) any other article whatsoever made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person,
he shall be guilty of an offence.

(5) Where a person has with him in any public place any article intended by him unlawfully to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate any person either in a particular eventuality or otherwise, he shall be guilty of an offence.

(6) In a prosecution for an offence under subsection (5), it shall not be necessary for the prosecution to allege or prove that the intent to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate was intent to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate a particular person; and if, having regard to all the circumstances (including the type of the article alleged to have been intended to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate, the time of the day or night, and the place), the court (or the jury as the case may be) thinks it reasonable to do so, it may regard possession of the article as sufficient evidence of intent in the absence of any adequate explanation by the accused.

( 7 ) ( a ) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both.

( b ) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (4) or (5) shall be liable—
(i) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both, or
(ii) on conviction on indictment, to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.
(8) In this section "public place" includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise, and includes any club premises and any train, vessel or vehicle used for the carriage of persons for reward.

(9) In this section "flick-knife" means a knife—

( a ) which has a blade which opens when hand pressure is applied to a button, spring, lever or other device in or attached to the handle, or
( b ) which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device.



this is the law unedited by me.What it boils down to is you can't carry anything, even if you weren't out to use "insert object" on some one.The fact of your carrying something which could be used to injure some one makes you guilty.

Unpossible

yeah what about carrying around a small can of lynx, or basically any spray? Its not illegal, & you can argue that you bring it with you so you can freshen up for the g/f.

dudara

Naw, Lynx transcends the genre of illegal weapons. It's ranked up there with chemical and biological agents and the like.

BrianD3

yeah what about carrying around a small can of lynx, or basically any spray?

Somehow I don't think spraying Lynx in someone's face when they're coming at you with a knife/10 of their mates etc. is going to do much good. However, when spraying any sort of aerosol spray in someone's eyes there's a always a possibility of causing permanent blindness resulting in the sprayer getting into extremely serious trouble - so the message is - don't do it.

BrianD3

BoB_BoT

well in that case i hope that the guy running at you with the knife knows not to stab you, because he might do some serious damage ...... you know, like killing you.

Repli

Thread locked.
Thanks for the legal information Musashi,
TOMSIE I know you're new but if you bring this up again you're banned.