Aliens

Elessar

Hi all,

I thought I'd start a new topic here. What do you think of the alien theory? That we have been visited and studied for centuries by several different civilisations, using extremely fast craft (UFO's)?

Personally, I believe in it. There is simply too much evidence for this to be made up. Millions of people across the world have witnessed craft which move with incredible speeds then simply change direction in an instant. There are thousands of photographs and videos of these. I'm sure most of you have seem some. (Albeit there is a percentage made-up.)

The craft many people see seem to be based on anti-gravity propulsion, and many scientists know for a fact that this type of technology is possible. There have been a few experiments carried out by different people and organisations (including NASA) to try it out. But I think the US military are well ahead of the game - I believe they've been secretly testing these craft for a number of years, like they did with stealth bombers and the like.

Although how they discovered this technology is debatable. Some believe they got it from an alien craft which crashed in Roswell in 1948/9. There have been several high-profile cases of abduction throughout the years too, with quite normal people saying they've been experimented on by aliens and they even have scars to prove it aswell as metal objects which have been found in their bodies.

There are even caveman and Renaissance paintings depicting UFO shaped craft in the skies.

Again, personally, I believe we are being studied by ETs, because there is just too much evidence for me to believe otherwise.

So, what do you think?

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Here are some links you might find interesting:
http://www.ufosocietyireland.com/
http://www.bufora.org.uk/
http://www.starchildproject.com - An alien skull?!

dwayneburke

here we go!!!

:rolleyes:

GuanYin

There's an Irish Skeptics forum an Astronomy Space forum and also a thread on the science forum... all have covered aliens at some stage.

Looking at this thread, I'd say you're better off in Skeptics.

tinkerbell

What a great thread

I believe in aliens, sure it would make no sense to have such a massive universe, and only one tiny planet occupied by life.

I think that jus about sums it all up!!

Elessar

I posted here because i thought it would receive more attention from the "general" public Mods feel free to move.

But I would like to know what people think?

Rabies

Alien life doesn't have to be like the human form or have a craft to survey earth and abduct our catttle (b@stards). Bacteria on some planet would be classed as alien life.


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mr_angry

Originally posted by tinkerbell
What a great thread

I believe in aliens, sure it would make no sense to have such a massive universe, and only one tiny planet occupied by life.

I think that jus about sums it all up!!

I agree - a bit. Yeah, I'd say there are loads of aliens out there. But I don't think they've visited here. Do you know how far away we are from the nearest solar system, let alone the nearest habitable planet? There are theories suggesting we can cover vast distances without having to travel faster than the speed of light, but what are the chances of them finding us, out here amongst the vast number of galaxies, solar systems and planets? Needle in a haystack doesn't cover it.

ixoy

Why would they bother?

Firstly, there's DMT's very obsevant post - about the high improbability of life being created.

Secondly, there's the vast gulf between the stars. Even if you manage to give two fingers to Einstein's theory of relativity, and somehow get here, why the HELL would you observe some cattle, grab a few hicks from American caravan parks, and bugger off home? Seems a sort of wasted journey.

Thirdly, why have the visits vastly increased in the later half of the twentieth century? OK, so we can point to a couple of supposed abductions in previous centuries, but the majority suddenly crop up when people have the means to communicate their ideas and influence others into having seen the aliens themselves. In "The X-Files" Scully often provided interesting counterpoints to Mulder in explaining why it's highly unlikely - from a scientific point of view - that aliens have visited and how the abductees are experiencing things other than genuine alien abductions. Then again maybe there are aliens who transmit themselves in oils and bees and shape change and all that....

GuanYin

Originally posted by DMT
When scientists prove the conditions on Earth are suitable for the creation of life, I'll start worrying about aliens.

Note, that scientists have never been able to replicate in a laboratory the creation of life - the spontaneous self-multiplication of molecules transforming into a single-celled organism.

Yet they ramble on about the "conditions necessary for the creation of life", when they haven't a clue how it started in the first place....

The creation of life is so amazingly improbably, I doubt that there's life anywhere else in the universe.

I'd go as far as to say that if there's are other universes, most of them have no life at all...

What?

Let me see how many uninformed statements in that post.

On my count 6!

I'll go through them:

Originally posted by DMT
When scientists prove the conditions on Earth are suitable for the creation of life

I dunno how to tackle this one. Lets see, where did the current life on earth come from? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DMT
Note, that scientists have never been able to replicate in a laboratory the creation of life

No, but the have been able to show that complex molecules readily form from organic chemistry, regardless of environment.

Originally posted by DMT
the spontaneous self-multiplication of molecules transforming into a single-celled organism

Oh dear. DNA isn't truly self replicating for a start. DNA in a jar will not lead to more DNA. However, Kiedrowski et. al. created a self replicating molecular system of 6 base DNA sequences in the late 90's and in 1996 Ghadri et. al. created a self replicating peptide (a type or short protein) of 32 amino acids.

In any case, the transfer from complex molecules to single celled organisms probably took millions if not a billion years to evolve in the wild, its not exactly a lab experiment now is it?

Originally posted by DMT
Yet they ramble on about the "conditions necessary for the creation of life", when they haven't a clue how it started in the first place....

No they haven't, but at least they are honest and open about it. A few decades back a chap called miller managed to get spontaneously forming amino acids in conditions taht seemed to mimic early earth. It was a perfect experiment and demonstrated nicely how life could form. Unfortunately, the model didn't conform to geological observations about what earth was like and the experiment was regarded as inaccurate. That said, it did show how DNA could form and it wasn't particularly difficult.

Originally posted by DMT
The creation of life is so amazingly improbably

Says who? What evidence do you have to go on that. Basic estimations would suggest taht the odds that a DNA triplet would form in a complex organic sea environment is even after 100 million years. Now, thats basic LC chemistry. Life isn't like that and we really have compelx auto catalytic chemical reactions (DNA is more autocatalytic than self replicating itself) so the odds of life forming here are probably very high. probably.

Originally posted by DMT
I'd go as far as to say that if there's are other universes, most of them have no life at all...

An amazing statement given your knowledge on the subject.

GuanYin

Originally posted by ixoy
Secondly, there's the vast gulf between the stars. Even if you manage to give two fingers to Einstein's theory of relativity, and somehow get here, why the HELL would you observe some cattle, grab a few hicks from American caravan parks, and bugger off home? Seems a sort of wasted journey.

Why do we go observing plankton? Why do we go look at living coral?

I don't believe earth has been visted by alien life, but I wouldn't discount it.

As for getting here and not being seen? Any significantly advanced technology would look like magic to us. A cliche, yes, but true none the less. We are technologically a species that is 500 years old, and thats being generous. What do you see 5000 years down the road? Now 50,000? We can't comprehend anything beyond our own experiences readily and thats a major problem of ours when it comes to xenobiology and xenoscience in general.

Originally posted by ixoy
Thirdly, why have the visits vastly increased in the later half of the twentieth century?

Mainly because we probably find ourselves far too rational to believe in bogeymen and such and the old waking dreams are no focused on something that is more rational, however unlikely. Human nature works like that.

Bungalow Bill

Originally posted by syke
. What do you see 5000 years down the road? Now 50,000?

Thats a really good point, hell the difference between now and 1996 is something else!! Was it last year that they actually transported a laser-beam, star trek style. Who knows what they will be able to do in the future. Or in this case we wouldn't be able to comprehend what a 50,000 year old civilisation can do if we saw it.

How likely is it that out of the enormous number of stars that we are the only one with life?

TCamen

I'd definitely like to think that the universe contains other planets with life forms of any standard, plankton or otherwise. Surely there's gotta be more than just us.

Dunno if I think there are aliens actively visiting us, but my tinfoil hat protects me from their mind probes, wherever they are :rolleyes:

My head aches when I think of all the technology humans (and their alien overlords) will have on Earth in 50,000 years. I want some though

Elessar

Some very interesting points raised here. I'll throw some more into the pot.

I understand that current thinking in biology hypothesises that wherever there is liquid water in the universe, there is a high probability of life already being there or having fertile ground to live. Given the amount of stars in our galaxy alone, and the high probability of liquid water on planets elsewhere, I'd say there is a pretty good chance for life to be supported.

Now, as far as intelligent life is concerned, there is a new theory in New Scientist magazine which states that, using superstring theory, every particle in the universe could be connected at some level, despite massive distances between any given two. Now this could be used as a system for an advanced alien civilisation to detect us? Just a theory. But theoretical physics is slowly churning out more and more theories which are turning einsteins model of relativity on its head.

With regards to aliens visiting this planet, how can anybody discount the
massive amount of evidence to support the theory? It would be unwise for anyone to ask, why haven't they revealed themselves. Simply because we are not ready - I mean look at the number of wars we are still having and countless arguments between nations. We are advancing faster technologically than we are spiritually and wisely. Any alien civilisation which revealved itself to us - as well as causing upheaval - we would take their words for gospel. And I don't think they mean to interfere large scale with our evolution.

So what are your thoughts?

Spacedog

The whole alien abduction theory really boomed in the 90s with shows like the x-files, unsolved mysteries, dreamland documentories and books and films like communion and fire in the sky. I think the concept of freaky little aliens with big black eyes that snook into your bedroom in the dead of night, took you and stuck stuff up your butt (basically raped you) reflects old stories of evil spirits, ghosts and devils in past centuries, by convincing people that this is real, the makers of the likes of this media made a fortune.

I believe in the possibility of life on other planets deffinately, but since the end of the cold war, there is no reason to hide any proof that alien activity here.

bizmark

The whole alien abduction theory really boomed in the 90s with shows like the x-files, unsolved mysteries

Of course its a new myth ......where not backward/stupid enough to believe in huge deep sea monsters that sink ships but we are backward/stupid enough to bleave in aliens coming to abduct us

It’s the continuation of a myth updated to fit the times and current technology noting more

User45701

I beilive in them, i just hope that i live to see it so i can get so many laughs out of religions trying to explain it with our "god" created both races cause according to the catholic church they say stuff about one god and all that.

Well i belive in them anyway because in our galaxy there are millions of stars and in our cluster there are 1000`s of galaxys and in our super clusters there are 1000`s of clusters there is countless trillions of stars with uncaltulable amount of planets.
If we are the only species its a hell of a waste of space.

I recently watched the first episode of X-Files ever, it was quite good.

I dont know what to think about the abductions and sights.

It would make sence that some human orginasation is conducting illigal tests
It would also make sence that goverments are expermenting with new tech and new crafts.

Exit

Originally posted by DMT
It would be more likely that they don't want some arab terrorists coming to their home world and blowing the crap out of it...

Aye, because only Arabs are terrorists, like that Sheik Seamie Lynch from Cavan :rolleyes:

Anyway, I read a quote somewhere before that went "The clearest sign that intelligent life exists is that they've never visited us"

GuanYin

Originally posted by Elessar
With regards to aliens visiting this planet, how can anybody discount the
massive amount of evidence to support the theory?

So what are your thoughts?

My thoughts are I'd like to hear about your so called evidence.

I'm pretty sure its not going to be as evident as you think.......

dahamsta

Originally posted by Elessar
http://www.ufosocietyireland.com/

Celtic Tiger my arse, the only real indicator of success as a country is whether or not you've got your own nutter UFO site. God bless America.