Argh, The Miseducated

Dustaz

Why do people here delight in the new smoking ban that prevents people from smelling like cigarettes.

This is not the point of the ban.


The ban is to protect workers health.

You will not contract cancer from being in a smoky pub for a few pints. If you work in a smoky pub all day, 5 days a week then the risk is slightly higher.

The point of the ban is not to protect pub goers health. Or give them clothes that smell better. That is merely a side effect. Please get this straight when you are making some of your gloating points on the drivel that passes for discussion here.

Doctor J

People who find the smell of cigarette smoke disgusting will no longer be forced to endure it in pubs, restaurants, etc. It is a side-effect of the bill but one worth celebrating none the less, if you dislike the smell of smoke as many people do.

For example, imagine if you were surrounded by the smell of particularily pungent farts every time you went out for a beer, then one day the smell was gone, you'd be happy too, yes?

Some people just really dislike smoke.

Lafortezza

Other peoples health doesn't really affect you personally unless you know them. Your clothes/hair/whatever stinking of smoke when you get home does affect you, so thats what people focus on.

I'm off for a smoke.

uberwolf

every time i went out for a few my sinuses were in bits the next morning. So the smoke had an immediate and short term impact on my health, as well as the potential long term stuff. Whats more, I have heard of research that pinpoints the smoke as a major cause of the hangover. I recommend that people investigate this thoroughly over the wknd and report back.


I'd do it myself but I have my finals in 4 weeks

Johnny Versace

I hope they will ban people looking at my penis while I urinate at the urinal.

Why does everyone do this?

I'm seriously not joking.

Everytime I pee at a urinal the guy beside me has a quick look at my penis.

This happens in every pub.

What the hell? It disturbs me more than the smoke.

Doctor J

Nah, it's cos you drop your pants into the piss on the floor, they're watching the dark patch spread

Dustaz

Originally posted by uberwolf
every time i went out for a few my sinuses were in bits the next morning. So the smoke had an immediate and short term impact on my health, as well as the potential long term stuff. Whats more, I have heard of research that pinpoints the smoke as a major cause of the hangover. I recommend that people investigate this thoroughly over the wknd and report back.


I'd do it myself but I have my finals in 4 weeks

Mine arent. Must be just your sinuses. Sorry, i refuse to believe there is any more potential 'long term stuff' for someone like you as there is just being in the same city as dublin bus. I

tribble

The point of the ban is not to protect pub goers health. Or give them clothes that smell better. That is merely a side effect

That "side-effect" is the one reasons I intend going to meet my mates in a pub more often. Irrelevent it is not.

tribble

/edit - typo

uberwolf

nor will every pub worker get cancer. But my health suffers as a result of smoking in pubs. I have no doubt of this, and you can pick the blood out of my sinuses the following day if you don't believe me , my point being that more than the workers have a reason to enjoy this new found freedom. And even though this was brought in under one guise I'd imagine it wasn't the only reasoning behind it.

Altheus

If the main reason for the smoking ban, and the justification for it is for my health, my childrens health, and for the countries general health. Then why the hell dont the govt. clamp down on emissions from cars, not just a spec for a manufacturer, but hardcore.

The smoking ban is sickening, it's a fine example of just how the this country is not a democracy and the power is not in the hands of the people, but in the grossly misappropriating hands of a few powerful men.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by Altheus

The smoking ban is sickening, it's a fine example of just how the this country is not a democracy and the power is not in the hands of the people, but in the grossly misappropriating hands of a few powerful men.

Whoa. Calm down there cowboy...

Dustaz

Exactly.

Ban the sale of cigarettes by all means (just allow registered smokers to buy them from a chemist with a special card) and let the next generation or 2 kill themselves if they want.

The hypocrasy of it all just annoys me.

krattapopov

god im so happy the smoking ban is here, brilliant, absolutely brilliant

Originally posted by uberwolf

I have heard of research that pinpoints the smoke as a major cause of the hangover. I recommend that people investigate this thoroughly over the wknd and report back

SIR YES SIR

Altheus

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
I hope they will ban people looking at my penis while I urinate at the urinal.

Why does everyone do this?

I'm seriously not joking.

Everytime I pee at a urinal the guy beside me has a quick look at my penis.

This happens in every pub.

What the hell? It disturbs me more than the smoke.

Tell me bout it, get a prince albert and and you really do see how many men look at it. Some in great detail. Questions are where I draw the line.

Trojan

The smoking ban is sickening, it's a fine example of just how the this country is not a democracy and the power is not in the hands of the people, but in the grossly misappropriating hands of a few powerful men.

Self-righteous rants obviously are not solely the domain of the anti-smoker

Lee, having my clothes not smelling like an ashtray is quite nice actually

vibe666

Originally posted by Dustaz
You will not contract cancer from being in a smoky pub for a few pints.

that's the problem, i'm afraid you can.

people who don't smoke can and do still die from lung cancer they got through breathing in other people's smoke, and that's a fact, not just the opinion of someone who's nose is a bit out of joint cos they can't get their nicotine fix while down the pub any more.

smoking not only kills smokers, but people that are around them whether voluntarily or not and that's just not acceptable.

Dustaz

Originally posted by vibe666

people who don't smoke can and do still die from lung cancer they got through breathing in other people's smoke.

....over an extended period of time.

If you would like to argue that you can contract lung cancer from being in a smoky pub the odd time, then you better put down that mobile phone and stop eating most of your food. While your at it, you probably should purchase a smog mask and never get an x-ray.

Pigman II

Originally posted by Johnny Versace

Everytime I pee at a urinal the guy beside me has a quick look at my penis.

Perhaps you should to stop inviting your urologist out for drinks.

rymus

how many pointless flamebait threads on the smoking ban does this make? 5? 6?

MrPinK

Originally posted by Altheus
The smoking ban is sickening, it's a fine example of just how the this country is not a democracy and the power is not in the hands of the people, but in the grossly misappropriating hands of a few powerful men.

How exactly do you think democracy works? The people decide on government policy? The 'few powerful men' are those elected by the people to make the decisions. I'm not saying it's the perfect system, but that is democracy.

Bigshot

Government claimed that these measures would reduce stroke cases by 80%. This was rubbished yesterday morning by doctors who claimed that the government figures were in no way acurate. You have to think the doc is right. As last time I heard anyway Bertie was not a qualified neuroligist.

Statistics get bandied around way too much and im always very suspect of them. Id love to see a real study done (not commisioned by anti or pro smoking lobyists) into the effects of passive smoking, how many cases of lung cancer and other smoking related diseases a year can be attributed directly to passive smoking and the conditions in which these people lived/worked etc.

Dony know how a law can be passed without this knoledge. If anyone knows of any such report post it up id love to have a read.

Stephen

Originally posted by Altheus
*rant*

Fight the power.

Asok

It's about time it came in as a smoker im bloody well sick of all these non smokers free loading off my smoke I paid for it and here you are getting the joy of my nice relaxing smoke for nothing!



FREE SANGRE!

BuffyBot

people who don't smoke can

Actually there is quite a few studies against the notion of passive smoking as there are for the "pro" side. I'm not quite sure which I beleive, but I can't say I'm quite certain about the "passive smoking" phenonema and its effects on health.

ixoy

Originally posted by Dustaz
The point of the ban is not to protect pub goers health. Or give them clothes that smell better. That is merely a side effect. Please get this straight when you are making some of your gloating points on the drivel that passes for discussion here.

? Who ever said it was the point of the ban? Get off your whinging nag, the poor thing is getting tired. People are continously pointing this out because the principal effect of the ban - for the majority of us here - is that we'll not be in a smoking environment that will make our clothes smell and that we'll have cleaner air to breath. I can't recall one post yet that's said explictly that this is why the ban was implemented. Everyone knows it's to protect worker's health - we're just revelling in the fact this measure has a damned nice side effect for us non-smokers.

ToxicPaddy

Originally posted by Bigshot
....Statistics get bandied around way too much and im always very suspect of them...

A recent survey has shown that 90% of surveys done are complete sh*te

Seriously tho, I worked in the bar trade for 8 years and the amount of smoke
that you inhale from working behind the bar is unreal. Ive knew of one heavy smoker
who started working in the pub I was working in at the time and he was telling me
that the amount of smoke he was inhaling while working was enough for him not
to crave a fag for up to 3 or 4 hours at a time.. which when I think about how
much he smoked was crazy...

So the more I thought about it the more it worried me so I left the pub and
eventually the trade altogether...

I do pity a lot of the barmen/floorstaff in pubs these days simply because of the
environments the have to work in, it crazy to ignore the fact that this is affecting
their health and possibly causing long term damage.. The more modern pubs arent
as bad as they are usually light and airy with high ceilings and good air conditioning
systems but when you think of the older more established pubs with the low ceilings
and non existant air conditioning it does make you wonder..

Tox

Doctor J

I don' t believe anyone really thinks the bill was put in place merely so our clothes and hair don't stink after a night on the piss.

However, the smell being gone is the most immediate, obvious and tangible effect of the bill, so of course it's the one non-smokers will celebrate first.

Dustaz

Originally posted by ToxicPaddy

So the more I thought about it the more it worried me so I left the pub and
eventually the trade altogether...

WHOA!!!

Wait a minute..... You were worried about your health so you just DIDNT WORK IN A BAR!!!!


Holy shìt batman, why didnt anyone think of that before??????!!

Doctor J

Dustaz, you've a serious chip on your shoulder, calm down man. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, even if it differs to yours.

dangerman

Why do people here delight in the new smoking ban that prevents people from smelling like cigarettes.

umm, smoking ban is great.

the sole real short-term benefit to me is that i don't have to put up with people puffing it in my face and my clothes don't smell in the morning. All the stuff about people's health is great too.


Your original post is so odd. People are celebrating a side-effect of the ban, and you're calling them miseducated.

the arguement that the smoking ban is in so therefore there should be a clamp down on every single thing that causes problems (say car emissions) and if there isn't the government is hypocritical is completely bogus.

By that logic, nothing should ever change because if it does everything else must change at once.

Minority groups always feel hard done by when something they enjoy is curtailed. Hard luck. Use your vote at the next election to voice your outrage, or run yourself on the platform of reintroducing smoking in the workplace.

echomadman

but now you can smell the smell of the pub.
Pubs smell horrible.
Bring back smoking, it hid the stench of urine and vomit

snickerpuss

people keep going out about how its their "right to smoke" and how its none of anyone elses business if they wanna smoke or not.
But they're missing the point that they're hurting people. You know? You dont have a right to give people lung cancer etc and thats the long and short of it.
I know i sound really annoying but im trés happy that smoking is gone. (i feel overly passionate about this cos i have asthma)

monument

Originally posted by Dustaz
You will not contract cancer from being in a smoky pub for a few pints. If you work in a smoky pub all day, 5 days a week then the risk is slightly higher.

I dont know, but it does feck my lungs up.

Kernel32

Wasn't the idea of the ban to equally protect all workers from hazardess working conditions. If you work in an office then you do not have to inhale second hand smoke as it was illegal to smoke there. Previously if you worked in a pub or in several other places that allowed smoking then you were exposed to hazardous working conditions. This has now been recitified and the workers in question have equal protection under the law. The fact that smokers can no longer smoke in somebodies workplace and that non-smokers can now go to smoke free pubs is the side effect.

nadir

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
I hope they will ban people looking at my penis while I urinate at the urinal.

Why does everyone do this?

I'm seriously not joking.

Everytime I pee at a urinal the guy beside me has a quick look at my penis.

This happens in every pub.

What the hell? It disturbs me more than the smoke.

rofl.
yea, why does everyone look at his penis?

but yea , I agree with Dustaz and ya about the smoking ban, they should ban sales of cigarets but allow people who are already hooked to keep smoking. In reality this ban doesnt help stop cigarette companies target kids, cause they cant go to pubs or work anyway. All it does is satisfy those nazi type non-smokers.

oneweb

Wow, guess who's all cwanky wit the lack of nicotine from not being awowed smoke in a pub, awww

Originally posted by Dustaz
Ban the sale of cigarettes by all means (just allow registered smokers to buy them from a chemist with a special card)

Exactly. Apparently in Sweden, smokers are required to present their card to buy cigarettes. The amount they buy is then linked with health insurance cover and what not.

However, the government makes a massive amount per year from the sale of cigarettes and that's not something it's likely to give up.