Is it true we still may be able to smoke?

red_ice

Well, im not knowlegable in this area of the smoking ban, but i was listening to the radio and they were saying that herbal ciggies are still legal in pubs and work places!

There are also loopholes (which i dont know) - something like the one in texas; if you wear a belt thats less than an inch thick you can beat your wife during the weekend before noon.

Well, these herbal smokes that are being released are apparently still legal in all public places.

Clear this up with me: is there is also a law that says you cannot smoke within 20 feet of property containing people? and i hear the government are trying to bring this into government property too. So that means smoking will be a private issue?

Kone

ASAIK you can still smoke herbal cigarettes, you just cannot smoke tobacco!

I am a smoker and this sounds completely silly to me, herbal cigarettes produce smoke and can potientally damage a bar workers (or whoever) health, ok the smoke may not be as bad as the smoke from a cigarette but it's still smoke right? am I wrong here?

uberwolf

AFAIK ciggeratte smoke contains over 3000 chemicals to aid the smoking, only a 10th have been tested, of which a third were carcinogenic. I'd imagine a lot of these chemicals aren't present in herbal ciggarettes. Still stupid though.

I have no link though to back this up.

Kone

Found a little something from the States!

Link

BTW Love that sig Uber!

alleepally

Did a quick search on google and first result that came up was this one

http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/herbalcigarettes.html

basically, the manufacturers of the herbal cigs in question were brought to task for marketing them as safe. FTC rule that there is no such thing as a safe smoke

It is true that herbal cigarettes aren't covered. It does seem extremely odd that for a law passed to protect workers, the ability to still smoke herbal cigarettes leaves things open for legal challenges still.

So if you smoke in a pub and management approaches you, you can claim it's a herbal cigarette? It's easy enough to cut a cig so the name isn't shown and it could look like a herbal cigarette then.

dudara

There is something in the new legislation about the fact that publicans etc can't claim ingnorance of someone smoking herbal cigarettes. ie they thought that Jimmy was smoking a herbal cigarette. Can anyone clarify?

Also, in the times today, they ran a grey box highlightinh key points of the new legislation. Anyone found guilty pays a E3000 fine. However, they failed to say who the guilty party was, the smoker or the proprietor, again, can anyone clarify?

woosaysdan

the pub gets a fine of 3000 euro and the person smoking also gets a fine but im not sure how much!!! also what i like about this is the fact that if the barman asks you to put out the cigerette and you refuse it will be dealt as un socialable behaviour ie being drunk

Johnny Versace

Have you ever smoked a herbal cigarette? They taste like AIDS.

Ancient1

They taste like AIDS.

LOL

I'll give them a shot anyways.

sceptre

There was an entire episode plotline from The Paper Chase (classic TV from my very young youth) dedicated to this. In the end, the rebellious students stoped smoking the not-banned herbal mixtures as they tasted like crap. Skip a few stages and just jump to the conclusion - you'll be glad you did.

Kone

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Have you ever smoked a herbal cigarette? They taste like AIDS.

Hear hear! I tried them a few years back when I was trying to give up the smokes, They do indeed taste like shít!

Ancient1

Ok ok i get the picture!

I'll keep that in mind

Dr. Dre

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Have you ever smoked a herbal cigarette? They taste like AIDS.

Oh my word ! LMFAO


Herbal ciggies still OK eh ?
hmmmm, where might one procure said items in the interests of research ?

red_ice

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Have you ever smoked a herbal cigarette? They taste like AIDS.

You know what would be really funny imo... getting a bunch of people together to go to a pub and just burn herbal ciggies

Im not talking 3 or 4, i mean organise a shitload of people to just take over a pub and smoke herbal ciggies - so what if they taste like shit - it would wreck all the 'YOU CANT SMOKE HERE' people's heads

That would be funny.

FIGHT THE POWER!

alleepally

Just like those spontaneous gatherings where people would arrive at a certain place at a certain time and do something funny and then just disappear again.

Sounds like a good idea. It would make the headlines alright!

red_ice

yea

hmm, now to find a herbal smoke brand

Ronan|Raven

Ye can still smoke all ya like just do it outside

Crash

But outsides cold...and there are wolves after me.

red_ice

Originally posted by Ronan|Raven
Ye can still smoke all ya like just do it outside

not if i have my trusty herbal smokes with me - SUCKAH!

dangerman

years ago when i was in secondary school this crazy kid in my year showed up with tons of packs of herbal cigs , he claimed he'd stolen a whole box of them.

After trying them, we all realised that there is a greater evil than smoking, and that's smokin that absolute ****e. it made even the hardest smokers gag.

lt tasted like sick, or rotting something.

this was mentioned on the 6'oclock news, the health/safety spokeswoman said something like publicans were within their rights to ban all cigarettes on their premises, just like they can ban activities such as card playing.

so i guess it wud be in publicans best interests to ban all cigs, to avoid the legal nightmare of the whole 'he said they were just herbal and they smelled like mint!'

Ronan|Raven

You can smoke as many Herbal ass Tasting ciggies all ya like, infact come along and sit beside me and see if I care Hell I love ciggies. I couldnt give two real tosses about the ban but I do get great entertainment out of the fun and games that are going on.

There is a reason Herbal Ciggies went into decline

billy the squid

has anyone been on the happy smoking bus that was on sky news tonight up in dublin.

read to that the Irish Cigar Club are holding their monthly meetings in the Cuban embassy from now on as the embassy is considered cuban and not irish soil

ixoy

Originally posted by fcddunne
read to that the Irish Cigar Club are holding their monthly meetings in the Cuban embassy from now on as the embassy is considered cuban and not irish soil

By the same token, anyone working in an Irish embassy abroad can no longer smoke on the premises because it's considered Irish territory.

seanybiker

Herbal fags are skank. yuck. I'd rather smoke a jock strasp. well ok ill stick with the herbal but gammy or what?

Paddy20

crash_000,

Quote; "but outsides cold " end quote.

Not in summer and this is spring and its already warmer. Look on the bright side .

Or give them up. Best idea IMHO :dunno:

P. :ninja:

Nick_oliveri

Had a hebal ciggie the other day. Skanky stuff.
Wouldnt mind them in the long run methinks.
I heard that they have tar and no nicotine.

Frank Grimes

Why would you want to smoke those things even if it is legal?
They have no nicotine in them and smell/taste like crap.
Last time I saw someone smoking one of those in a pub, they were sitting at the bar and the barman said to the girl "either put that out or sit somewhere else". He wasn't joking either.
I can imagine most barstaff taking the same line too

kiffer

Herbal! hehehe, yeah go on give it a go, I have a plan for dealing with herbal smokes.. and no it's not as crazy as my other plans...

no where near as crazy, so go a head and try it : )

kiffer

Originally posted by Frank Grimes
Why would you want to smoke those things even if it is legal?
They have no nicotine in them and smell/taste like crap.

Thats part of the Plan!

Hobbes

Originally posted by fcddunne
read to that the Irish Cigar Club are holding their monthly meetings in the Cuban embassy from now on as the embassy is considered cuban and not irish soil

There is no Cuban embassy in Ireland. muppets. I'm sure they can fly to England to make a point, or open up a private club (it is only public places you can't smoke).

As for herbal ciggies, they are illegal too. Someone let me know when they plan to do it though as I want to watch the cops listen to your excuses.

TBH they should make smoking herbal ciggies the punishment.

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Clear this up with me: is there is also a law that says you cannot smoke within 20 feet of property containing people?

Don't know about that. Where I work you couldn't smoke inside anyway. They had a smoking shack outside. Now with the new laws they have to remove that shack. They are allowed make a smoking area outside of the building but it must only have two walls or it would be classed as a room.

kiffer

Originally posted by Hobbes

As for herbal ciggies, they are illegal too. Someone let me know when they plan to do it though as I want to watch the cops listen to your excuses.

Yup, I'm sure it's pretty hard to prove to a ticked off bouncer that it's a herbal smoke.

and I'm sure the smoke alarms will be able to tell the difference ...

hum ... it's also not agaist theban to burn feathers... that really stinks and I'm sure I'd get chucked out if I did that...

Sleipnir

Herbal smokes are rotten and seeing as there's no nicotine in them I don't see the point!
Plus, if you want to get some you'd better hurry up, The asssociation of pharmacists have decided to stop selling Herbal cigarettes in all Chemist's throughout the country as they still contain tar and are therefore just as damaging as ordinary cigs.

red_ice

Excellent, im glad to see you all hate herbal smokes more than normal ones

Ill be stocking up on them just to annoy those whiny people who wanted smoking stopped.

Now that we have established that herbal smokes tase like a mixture of 'aids, jockstraps, ass, cock, and other foul stuff' can we try another angle on this matter?

p.s. how do these people know what aids, jockstraps, ass,cock and such tastes like?

kiffer

Originally posted by red_ice
p.s. how do these people know what aids, jockstraps, ass,cock and such tastes like?

Years of experiance?
um that and you can usualy get a good idea what things taste like from smelling them...
that does'nt really sound mucch better though.

Ronan|Raven

I take it then red_ice you never smoked herbal ciggies. I look forward to seeing you run for the bog

projectmayhem

Originally posted by fcddunne
has anyone been on the happy smoking bus that was on sky news tonight up in dublin.

yeah, some bloke from johnny foxes doing it, and there's a load of pure knackers on there with their caps pointed skywards and stubbed ear-rings. really promoting the country..

Paddy20

Heard on my local Highland Radio in Donegal. The Chief Environmental Health Officer for the North Western Health Board Region stated in relation to the smoking of "Herbal cigarettes" that Quote;- " Under the new legislation even cigarette paper and or filters are also illegal. "Therefore smoking herbal cigs would be deemed illegal".

Wonderful country Eh Personally I believe the real backlash will start when smokers get fed up with the current novelty factor and that should take only about a week, before the real arguements and frustration emerge.

Have a nice day, and I cannot wait for the next local and national election.

Yours,



P. :ninja: Thoroughly pissed off, and I do not even smoke anymore :mad:

rymus

Herbal cigarettes eh?

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures

Doc

I heard on the radio that chemists wouldn’t be selling herbal cigarettes any more.

red_ice your so cool I wish I could be a rebel like you I bet you put your feet up on the train too you mad man you.

uberwolf

Originally posted by Hobbes
There is no Cuban embassy in Ireland. muppets.

Cuba
Embassy of the Republic of Cuba
2 Adelaide Court
Adelaide Road
Dublin 2
Tel: 01 4750899/01 4752999
Fax: 01 4763674
E-mail: turjillo at eircom.net

link

dirtyharry1971

Do you not think that there will now be new problems with pot smokers mixing dope with them "HERBAL Ciggys". Out with one problem in with another.

ToxicPaddy

If someone comes up with a herbal cig that tastes like a normal cig they will make
a fortune...

Im sure in this day and age with science the way it is, there is a way to create a very
similar taste chemically...

Personally Im glad that the smoking ban came in as there is nothin worse than
coming home stinking of smoke from a pub or restaurant... :mad:

Tox

woosaysdan

or just use snuff thats not illegal!!!

leonotron

Originally posted by dirtyharry1971
Do you not think that there will now be new problems with pot smokers mixing dope with them "HERBAL Ciggys". Out with one problem in with another.

What was to stop them mixing dope with regular cigs before?

Frank Grimes

Originally posted by leonotron
What was to stop them mixing dope with regular cigs before?

Herbal cigs smell worse than regular ones, you probably wouldn't notice the smell of the hash because the "tobacco" smells so strong.

Paulw

It's also hard to find herbal cigs, especially since the Irish Pharmacy Association has recommended to all it's members NOT to sell them.

Isn't the ban great ??? We can now have a good night without the stink of smoke.

Nick_oliveri

All i know is that its something extra for the pigs to put off the inevitable scumbags fighting, REAL drugs been dealth, Wives been slapped, girls being raped....

Agent Smith

Originally posted by project-mayhem
yeah, some bloke from johnny foxes doing it, and there's a load of pure knackers on there with their caps pointed skywards and stubbed ear-rings. really promoting the country..

come to ireland..... get stabbed

Jafar

Herbal are indeed yuck.
On the plus side it's possible to smoke tea, so you could try that. I recommend using the filter bag to roll a filture though cause it's pretty strong.

Honestly though if you find yourself needing a fix....the anser is snuff. It contains loads of vitamin N and it's not smoking. Plus you get that cool brown snot for a few days, just make sure you throw your tissues at the bottom of the dustbin.:D

AdMMM

Smoking tea leaves is EVIL!!!

I was dared to do it once and will never forget it...

From now on, the tea leaves stay in a bag, inside a mug... with hot water and a bit of milk....

Paddy20

Jafar,

Re; " The answer is Snuff ". I like that suggestion, unfortunately it also - afaik - is a carcinogen. Apparently it attacks the nasal passages and the throat and lungs etc.

It might be better if those contemplating this alternative too smoking cigarettes, sought out some professional medical advice as a first step.

I well remember when I was a boy. A lot of adults used Snuff regularly as it contained nicotine, but it seems to have gone out of fashion, although still available. It was also used as a sort of cure all for different ailments.

Interesting.

P. :ninja: