TV3 News - Telly Tabloids

aidan_walsh

Is it just me, or is TV3 News televisions version of The Sun...

I have seen several reports in the past few months where they either mess up the story or sensationalise everything beyond sensation itself.

For example, anyone remember the teenager who claimed to have been raped in Cork about two months ago? While RTE were sensible enough to use the phrase "alleged rape", TV3 filled every second sentence with "was raped, was raped, was raped"... Where the hell has objective journalism gone?

As for just plain stupid and wrong, anyone catch their 3Text report on Sedna yesterday?
"A 10th heavenly body has been found orbiting the Earth"...

flogen

yeah, they are telly tabloid alright, just like UTV (which owns a huge stake in TV3 i might add)

i would trust bbc, rte and C4 (but this news is not so much breaking news as it is reports etc.. but good).

For example, i think tv3 reported on that murder in the US as the father has killed his 9 kids (sky did anyway). Given that there has been no trial yet, good journalism states that you should report it as 'a man is helping police in their investigation'. Even mentioning its the father of the children could bias a jury.

Flogen

sceptre

Originally posted by flogen
just like UTV (which owns a huge stake in TV3 i might add)

Not exactly. UTV came on board with a 8 million pound investment in 1995. For various reasons (some of them regulatory, some argumentative) they pulled out in 1996.

These days, CanWest owns 45% of TV3 and also owns 29.9% of UTV. So while they have the same masters, UTV don't own a single share in TV3.

Explosive_Cornflake

Personally the only news i watch is channel4 or euro news, can't stand the rest.

IgnatiusJRiley

TV3... also known as ITV3

Genghis

You know its tabloid telly when they present the results of a text poll each night. In many cases the question is poorly phrased and loaded to reach a result. There was one I watched last week where 98% of people voted 'Yes' (unfortunately the actual phrase escapes me).

flogen

These days, CanWest owns 45% of TV3 and also owns 29.9% of UTV. So while they have the same masters, UTV don't own a single share in TV3.

29.9% is still a fair amount all the same... Im sure they have a big input (look at the line up of tv3, it is UTV, the same soaps, same chat shows, same game shows, same dramas.... everything).

And your right about the polls genghis, i despise them all... its usually vauge things like 'do you think criminals should be arrested' then you get 100% voting yes, and they say 'Irish people today said they are infavour of a facist like crackdown on Irish crime according to a TV3 poll'

also notice the way the only Irish made shows are the news, sport and agenda (i dont count that god-awful breakfast thing as a show). the rest is Uk and US imports, and crap ones at that

Flogen

Jip

Agree completely with the original post, defo a T.V. version of the Sun. With all the things happening in the world these days the day that sap left Westlife was the headline news all night !

HappyDude

TV3 News is pretty awful stuff allright..would never watch it. Interestingly, CanWest owns a string of tv networks in canada, and they all seem to use the same formula over here - american imports, and cheap, tabloid news.

They only way they can sink even lower is to go with the american network news format of running news stories like "How your tv could kill you.."

eirebhoy

Yes, TV3 is tabloid style but it is meant to be. They give 15mins of news, than after the break Sport, entertainment and weather. When you consider the amount of readers the likes of the Star and the Sun get, it was a good idea for TV3 to do this. It attracts the younger and less intelligent viewers that find RTE boring. I personally watch any news bulletin, including TV3, to get the sport and entertainment news.:)

Genghis

They really drag out the sports stuff, too, don't they. I mean you have to admire how they fill the Sports Tonight bulletin every evening, don't you.

One thing I can't stand (and maybe you've never noticed this before, but when I've pointed it out you'll never miss it again) is that whenever they put up a score card on Sports Tonight background music begins to play, the score card comes off, music stops. My understanding of this is that TV3 fear that if a viewer is presented something they have to read, he/she will switch off, but the music will hold their attention.

It is a tactic similar to that employed by 98fm and others - background music whenever news is read.

BANZAI_RUNNER

yes i totally agree , TV3 news is tabloid news, and they seem to have a serious dislike to Limerick , on any day you can usually see a TV3 crew hanging around Limerick courthouse, they are like "ambulance chasers". On one occasion early last year , there was an incident in Limerick , it was headline news on TV3 , but they failed to mention a news story from Finglas where three people were stabbed in one incident.

aidan_walsh

Yeah, its designed to be taboid news, but they really don't have to be Irelands andswer to Fox... But I do understand that its a commercial station and, unlike RTE, have to pander to what the audience wants to a greater degree...

What I want to know is, is the news room really broken into two pieces? News @ 5/6.30 and News Tonight have their own reports, but you go to 3Text and they tell you the news section is sponsored by The Irish Examiner...

So are The Examiner to syndicating to 3Text? If so, do their stories bleed into the televised reports, again diluting the objectivity of journalism?

Zoton

But TV3 news wont stand a chance when the irish sky news starts up, with its big red banner of lies.

Pigman II

Originally posted by Genghis
98% of people voted 'Yes' (unfortunately the actual phrase escapes me).

Probably 'Do you only watch TV3 news because Grainne Seoige is on it?'

eirebhoy

Today's vote was: "should we tell George Bush to stay at home?".

TheElder

Tomorrows vote 'Should it be illegal to do things that are wrong?'
Yes 5% No 5% Take It Off 90%
the next day 'How many fingers am I holding up?'
Yes 13% No 45% Banana Hammock 42%

Cork

I think RTE have also gone tabloid. They also be getting into soft focus "fluff" news.

TV3's Aganda is excellent.

Q+As is like talking heads

Prime Times needs to investigate storys and stop being an extended version of the news.

alleepally

I think the "fluff" is important if you're talking about human interest or good news stories. I think it's important for a public service broadcaster like RTE to do the human interest stories too. Otherwise we'd all go mad with a constant drip feed of "the world is a bad place".

sceptre

Originally posted by Cork
I think RTE have also gone tabloid. They also be getting into soft focus "fluff" news.

Oh they have. There's at least one "sick cat caught up a tree" story on every news at 6. Gob****es.

Cork

Like have they ever really questioned politicians like Gerry Adams?
Have the ever done a good story about Bush?
Their health storys always seem to be about A+E units & hospital trollys.

RTE news is so predictable.

flogen

TV3's Aganda is excellent.

agree with ya here, it definitly is one of tv3s best shows... always miss it though

and RTE do do human interest, but i'd prefer if they didnt. When I put on the 6 o clock news, i expect news. a story about a cat who is being mothered by a dog ever since its real mother died is not news... its nice and heartwarming, but it aint news.

Flogen

Zombrex

Originally posted by Cork
Like have they ever really questioned politicians like Gerry Adams?

Yes, all the time. They just can't scream at him "how many people have you killed you bastard" like people seem to think they should. And then they are called soft. And the other side say they are full of protestants who make out that Adams murders babies for a living. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Cork
Have the ever done a good story about Bush?

Define "good." You mean "pro-Bush" ... we have FOX News don't we :rolleyes:


I think RTE News is a very good news organisation. The only people who seem to complain about RTE News are people who feel RTE don't push the stories they have personal interest in. For example you think they should be harder on Adams and softer on Bush, when in reality they are not hard or soft, they just report what is happening.

I always remember reading two pieces in the Irish Times that we beside each other on the page. They were both about RTE New's coverage of the Iraq war. On the same day RTE News was cleared of being both "anti-war" biased and "pro-war" biased.

Each side had brough actions against RTE News saying that RTE was too biased and supportive of the other side. That has got to be the sign of a good news organisation

flogen

ive always found the likes of question time good to watch, even when the topic doesnt perticularly interest me (although sometimes It bores me)

RTE are a very good news channel, although afew more human interest stories recently made me worry that they were trying to compete with tv3 by going downhill rather than up... but i doubt this will happen.

as i siad earlier in the thread, along with the BBC and sometimes C4, RTE is the only news i trust (lets over look Charlie Birds Iraq reports.....:D )

Flogen

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by BANZAI_RUNNER
yes i totally agree , TV3 news is tabloid news, and they seem to have a serious dislike to Limerick , on any day you can usually see a TV3 crew hanging around Limerick courthouse, they are like "ambulance chasers". On one occasion early last year , there was an incident in Limerick , it was headline news on TV3 , but they failed to mention a news story from Finglas where three people were stabbed in one incident.

Firstly Banzai runner, i seriously doubt that tv3 did not run the fact that there was 3 people stabbed in finglas if they ran with the limerick incident. They dont have an anti bias towards Limerick or anywhere else, as a matter of fact the biggest prob with most people about tv3 is that there is too much Dublin based news! TV3 dont have a crew in Limerick so they could not be constantly chasin ambulances as you say, the crew from galway covers limerick and unless they have a reason to go there they dont!

Originally posted by Genghis
One thing I can't stand (and maybe you've never noticed this before, but when I've pointed it out you'll never miss it again) is that whenever they put up a score card on Sports Tonight background music begins to play, the score card comes off, music stops. My understanding of this is that TV3 fear that if a viewer is presented something they have to read, he/she will switch off, but the music will hold their attention.

Genghis, i dont know whether u work in tv or not, but this is called "Grams". On a survey which was held by RTE they found out that the one thing which makes people turn off programmes is when there is GFX Stills on screen with a voice under it, they said it was "Boring". Even though it will always be boring the fact is there that when a bed is ran under the GFX People are more likely to listen.

Originally posted by Genghis
You know its tabloid telly when they present the results of a text poll each night. In many cases the question is poorly phrased and loaded to reach a result. There was one I watched last week where 98% of people voted 'Yes' (unfortunately the actual phrase escapes me)..

True the phrasing of the questions are there so not to influence, but is that not the point of a poll. Also i dont know whether it slipped your mind, but TV3 is "Independent" meaning no licence fees, apart from advertising which at the best is not very forthcoming, the poll is another way of bringing in revenue, and with an average of 20.000 calls per poll, alot of people like them, and there is a lot of money to be made

Originally posted by doodle_sketch
What I want to know is, is the news room really broken into two pieces? News @ 5/6.30 and News Tonight have their own reports, but you go to 3Text and they tell you the news section is sponsored by The Irish Examiner...

So are The Examiner to syndicating to 3Text? If so, do their stories bleed into the televised reports, again diluting the objectivity of journalism?

The newsroom for all bulletins is the same, but there are different producers for the bulletins in the evening and later on at 11. As for the Threerext question, TV3 does not input any of the news stories which appear on threetext. This is sponsored by the examiner and they provide content from their offices.

Originally posted by Jip
Agree completely with the original post, defo a T.V. version of the Sun. With all the things happening in the world these days the day that sap left Westlife was the headline news all night !

It was a slow day my friend!! Even RTE and Sky And ITN Had it in their top 5 stories, it was big entertainment news, news is not all death and war

Originally posted by flogen
For example, i think tv3 reported on that murder in the US as the father has killed his 9 kids (sky did anyway). Given that there has been no trial yet, good journalism states that you should report it as 'a man is helping police in their investigation'. Even mentioning its the father of the children could bias a jury.
Flogen

COME ON FLOGEN, do you really expect anyone to believe that!! They may be tabloid, but theyre not Imbiciles! The journalists write the package...then it is cleared by the editor who then gets it cleared by the producer, nothing of the sort has ever gone out except there was one case of something similar happening a few years ago on 3 but never since because of it!

thats my 2 cent, im kent brockman...goodnight

Genghis

father_ted9t9, I don't work in TV, much less in TV3. You sound closer to TV production than I would be, I am just a critical viewer and someone who is interested in quality licenced television. Reading through your response, I find an almost polar-opposite position to you on many things!

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
TV3 dont have a crew in Limerick so they could not be constantly chasin ambulances as you say, the crew from galway covers limerick and unless they have a reason to go there they dont!

Ah, but what if their reason for being there disappeared? My first cynical thought on reading the original post was that TV3 had dispatched a crew to Limerick on that particular day, and their main story *for whatever reason* had not materialised. Hence, so as not to waste the cost of having a crew in Limerick they decided to head to the court, report whatever happened, and make the best of it.

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
Genghis, i dont know whether u work in tv or not, but this is called "Grams". On a survey which was held by RTE they found out that the one thing which makes people turn off programmes is when there is GFX Stills on screen with a voice under it, they said it was "Boring". Even though it will always be boring the fact is there that when a bed is ran under the GFX People are more likely to listen.

I don't doubt or dispute what you say. But Sports Tonight is a specialist programme. If it does its job right then the only people who watch are those who are very interested in its subject material. TV3 should neither fear viewer boredom, nor belittle the attention span of its audience in this way.

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
True the phrasing of the questions are there so not to influence, but is that not the point of a poll. Also i dont know whether it slipped your mind, but TV3 is "Independent" meaning no licence fees, apart from advertising which at the best is not very forthcoming, the poll is another way of bringing in revenue, and with an average of 20.000 calls per poll, alot of people like them, and there is a lot of money to be made

TBH, I am not sure what the point of a poll is - the traditional way is that the news organisation brings news to the viewer, not the other way round. I can however, make a few guesses - revenue, as you point out is certainly important, though the 30c premium cost is a barrier for me; if your figures are right then TV3 trouser up to €6k per evening, that must surely pay for a few trips to Limerick. In addition, properly biased questions not only enrages the viewer to text in (paying to offer an opinion), it would also keep them glued while the rest of the boring news is read out. (No doubt TV3 has audience research that shows that viewers can be successfully trapped if you tease them with the promise of confirming their opinions at the end of the broadcast).

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
The newsroom for all bulletins is the same, but there are different producers for the bulletins in the evening and later on at 11. As for the Threerext question, TV3 does not input any of the news stories which appear on threetext. This is sponsored by the examiner and they provide content from their offices.

The examiner is a reputable news organisation, and I would have no issue with their content per se. However, don't TV3 have arguably own one of Irelands largest newsrooms themselves? Would it be too much to ask for some content internally?

The problem with taking news from a daily paper is obvious - by the time TV3 news audience peaks (evening / late evening), the content on the 3text is 12 hours stale. A good example was on Wednesday night as 800,000 people (for which you may read 'commercial TV viewers' if you prefer) waited to hear how they were to get to work the next morning, RTE were able to have an Aertel report available within minutes of the 8pm announcement. TV3, well, weren't at the races.

flogen

COME ON FLOGEN, do you really expect anyone to believe that!! They may be tabloid, but theyre not Imbiciles! The journalists write the package...then it is cleared by the editor who then gets it cleared by the producer, nothing of the sort has ever gone out except there was one case of something similar happening a few years ago on 3 but never since because of it!

yes thank you Father Ted, I know how Journalism works. Just because it goes through those people, doesnt mean it is most certainly well reported.
Sadly there is no news archive for tv3 (on the net) like RTE have, so i cant actually find anything to put up here, although you may be able to (i gather from your knowledge that you work, have worked or know someone who works in tv3 news).

And I'm sure they are not all imbiciles, but the fact is that Irish Tabloid standard is very poor, and going by tabloid papers, i'd say alot are clever, but very ignorant or just desperate to get a big story. It is a sad fact that Irish Tabloids have very low standard as regards quality of writing, and alot are poorly researched etc/sensationalist

Flogen

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by flogen
yes thank you Father Ted, I know how Journalism works. Just because it goes through those people, doesnt mean it is most certainly well reported.
Sadly there is no news archive for tv3 (on the net) like RTE have, so i cant actually find anything to put up here, although you may be able to (i gather from your knowledge that you work, have worked or know someone who works in tv3 news).

And I'm sure they are not all imbiciles, but the fact is that Irish Tabloid standard is very poor, and going by tabloid papers, i'd say alot are clever, but very ignorant or just desperate to get a big story. It is a sad fact that Irish Tabloids have very low standard as regards quality of writing, and alot are poorly researched etc/sensationalist

Flogen

Well then flogen seen as you know how journalism works, you will know all about a little thing called liable and how that works, and that no journalist or producer or editor is going to let something liabalous on air...yes?

If you get me the date of that incident, i will source out the running order for the bulletin and post you a copy of the tape:) I'm sure you can source out the date from RTE's massive archive of great things(www.rteanditsgreatarchiveofmassivethings.ie)

Also as for the low standard of the journalists in there or as you say "Tabloid" Journalists in there, have a look at the list below of people who have left tv3, and gone on to better things from it!

All gone to RTE News:
Fiona Mitchell
John O'Driscoll
Will Goodbody

Prime Time:
Adrian Lydon
Bernard Mc Mullen

Sky News Ireland:
Grainne Seoige
Brian Daly
Ray Kennedy
Jerome Hughes

Sky News UK:
Rachael Smalley

Fianna Fail Press Office:
Suzanne Coogan

Progressive Democrats Press Office:
Richard Canny


Now if you can say that the output from the above journalists over ther past few years When they were in tv3 was sooooooo bad, how did they get to where they are now??Hmmmmm I Rest my case

Genghis

My 2 cents:

1. RTE, BBC, Sky and other established news broadcasters are notoriously difficult to get into, without experience.

2. TV3 pay very little, but offer the opportunity of exposure.

3. When it arrives, the journalist grabs with both hands the opportunity to join a quality news organisation (typically at the lowest level).

4. The only incidence of a TV3 journalist that left TV3 to take up a more senior position elsewhere is Grainne Seoige - no coincidence there that Sky News is also tabloid.

The fact that TV3 are so proficient at grooming journos for quality broadcasters does not in any way imply that TV3 are themselves a quality broadcaster.

If your point was valid, father_ted, then you would be able to show migration of quality journalists from the like of RTE, BBCNI, to TV3.

Pigman II

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
you will know all about a little thing called liable

I think libel would make them liable, but not the other way around.

father_ted9t9

OOh sorry pigman, i apologise for misuse of that word in the worng position. Please dont tell on me, you got what i meant so just keep your smart comments to yourself unless u have something constructive, rather that childish to make

As for your comment genghis, there are a lot of people who have applied to work in tv3 from those organisations, unfortunatly the money in tv3 is not as good and you know yourself its all about the money when it comes down to it, there was some people who came from BBC NI to tv3 these include Adrian Horsman, daniel crozier, Kieran Grimes to mention just a few, and the majority of tecchie staff came from RTE and TG4
Ray Kennedy left tv3 to go to a "Higher Level" As you say, he moved to News Anchor/Journo on RTE. Adrian Lydon moved from Journo to Producer Journo on prime time, same for Bernard mc mullen. John Kilraine left TV3 to go to RTE, he is now rated as one of the best in the RTE Newsroom, and there are many more apart from Ms Seoige

Pigman II

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
sorry pigman, i apologise for misuse of that word in the worng position

That's ok, just don't do it again.

flogen

Well then flogen seen as you know how journalism works, you will know all about a little thing called liable and how that works, and that no journalist or producer or editor is going to let something liabalous on air...yes?

Yesm but technically this could be seen as no infringment on libel law. had they said 'a father has killed his kids', they could be done for libel, but instead they said 'a father has been arrested under suspicion of murdering his children'. Good journalism dictates that you say 'a man is helping police with their inquireys'. of course, it doesnt take much to know how the man is helping(hes being questioned), but there is no need to say its the father, or that he is directly connected with the murder until the case is read out in court.

also, just because people move on to 'bigger things' from tv3, doesnt mean tv3 are quality. A journalist can change his or her style, technique and quality depending on the outlet. Im sure many journalists jump from the mirror to the sun and vice versa, and on issues such as Iraq they are poles apart, and so style must be adapted or you dont get a chance to get printed etc.
And Sky News is on a lower rung to tv3 quality wise, equal at best, so that doesnt say much for the journalists. And becoming a press officer for a political party required heavy bias, its in the job description. Do you think a FG sympathiser would last long working PR for FF?? I doubt it

Flogen

father_ted9t9

Jesus man, the journos that were taken from 3 were not taken for their fookin looks!!! If the organisations did not like what they seen on air they would not try to poach them! Some damn good journos have come out of there

also this is what you posted earlier:

"For example, i think tv3 reported on that murder in the US as the father has killed his 9 kids (sky did anyway). Given that there has been no trial yet, good journalism states that you should report it as 'a man is helping police in their investigation'. Even mentioning its the father of the children could bias a jury."

From reading that you were saying that tv3 reported that a man had killed his kids before he went to trial, That is what i meant by being liablous. Check your previous posts before trying to tell people they are wrong

You also said Sky is on same level or poss lower, did you not see the RTE Names i printed??Hmm?? maybe theyre lower too?? hehe

ah flogen, im gonnan drop this now because obviously there is never going to be a settlement in this argument, you dont like tv3, dont know whether youre a journo or not and maybe they didnt give you a chance, but everwhere has its muppets workin for them, including RTE,SKY, and BBC(ive worked for them all) and its down to personal bias in the end.:)

sceptre

Originally posted by flogen
'a man is helping police with their inquireys'

... which always sounds so dumb that I roll my eyes every time I hear it.

flogen

Jesus man, the journos that were taken from 3 were not taken for their fookin looks!!! If the organisations did not like what they seen on air they would not try to poach them! Some damn good journos have come out of there

rolf
So your telling me that Grainne Seioge would have been picked up by Sky even if she looked like Anne Doyle???

I apologise if you got that from my original post, i can see where the mistake was made, and I meant to say that they refered to him as accused or under suspicion etc. Its still bad journalism though.

And as i already said, just because a good Journalist works in TV3 doesnt mean the station broadcasts good Journalism. Im sure there are many people within tv3 working at half their ability, having to dumb down their work to suit the tabloid style of the station. These people may be picked up by somewhere like RTE later on where they can actually do the work theyre capable of.

ah flogen, im gonnan drop this now because obviously there is never going to be a settlement in this argument, you dont like tv3, dont know whether youre a journo or not and maybe they didnt give you a chance, but everwhere has its muppets workin for them, including RTE,SKY, and BBC(ive worked for them all) and its down to personal bias in the end.

Im a student Journalist, and just so you know, have neither been rejected or accepted by RTE, TV3 or anywhere, perhaps because I aint applied yet.... And I dont give a crap if the journalist is a muppet, Im sure loads of them are, once they report the news well, with as little bias as possible, giving all the facts available.

and sceptre, it does sound rediculous doesnt it?? saying that, its all in the name of a fair trial and what not.

Flogen

father_ted9t9

Well flogen to be honest with you, you think bob friend and kay burley are sex gods?? Just as a matter of fact by the way, Anne doyle, Brian Dobson and Sharon Ni Bheolin were all approached by sky but they refused, im sure sky couldnt have matched their Vast RTE Wage! Check out the online stories about sky, I'm sure you have probaly read all about this, as you are so knowledgeable about it.

As you have said you are studying Journalism, and you will soon learn how hard it is to get a job out there. Fair Enough you are saying Journos can mould to suit the station, but if that was the case why dont RTE/BBC/Sky/ITN/Channel 5 News and Channel 4 news take people straight from college and put them on air, dont think so my friend?? You will find out, unless you have a good CV with Good News stories under your belt from your previous employers, your gonna be startin out making the tea, and there is no way RTE or anyone is going to take you on if they dont like what they have seen from your previous work, therfore proving the fact that your comment of....

"just because a good Journalist works in TV3 doesnt mean the station broadcasts good Journalism. Im sure there are many people within tv3 working at half their ability, having to dumb down their work to suit the tabloid style of the station. These people may be picked up by somewhere like RTE later on where they can actually do the work theyre capable of."

Is showing a lack of experience in the industry and something you will be unable to comment on until you are out there in the real world!

flogen

Well flogen to be honest with you, you think bob friend and kay burley are sex gods??

damn right.... theyre hotties

Anne doyle, Brian Dobson and Sharon Ni Bheolin were all approached by sky but they refused

never heard this, did they say it themselves or is it just rumour?? oh, and fair enough about looks if they did approach Doyle and Dobson, but Ni Bheolin.... c'mon....

I'm sure you have probaly read all about this, as you are so knowledgeable about it.

I havent actually, but Its nice to know i come across as knowledgeable.

As you have said you are studying Journalism, and you will soon learn how hard it is to get a job out there. Fair Enough you are saying Journos can mould to suit the station, but if that was the case why dont RTE/BBC/Sky/ITN/Channel 5 News and Channel 4 news take people straight from college and put them on air, dont think so my friend??

Im sure I will, from what Ive been told.
and your argument doesnt make sense. Even the best Journalists start at the bottom, as you know. I was refering to a hypothethical high quality journalist (maybe one of the RTE workers you named) who are forced to start at the bottom, they get a break at tv3, but there is no place for their high standard of writing, so they dumb down and keep trying to get up higher until they succeed.
I never said that a journalist comes straight out of college and walks straight behind the RTE news desk. And i never even said that great journalists would make it to the top of sky or tv3 the minute they graduate, unless they are very, very, very lucky and got about 10 huge exclusive stories that re-shaped the country...or something

Is showing a lack of experience in the industry and something you will be unable to comment on until you are out there in the real world!

Im not commenting as a seasoned pro, because im far from that... very far. Im commenting as a tv viewer, i can see the standard differences in RTE and TV3, and i would find it hard to believe that a journalist that writes tv3 standard news could make it anywhere decent in RTE, they would have to be able to go higher quality wise. Just as a matter of interest, the tv3 people you named, when they went to RTE, did they have higher ranking or lower ranking jobs?? Or did their position stay the same, but just a new company?

Flogen

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by flogen



your argument doesnt make sense. Even the best Journalists start at the bottom, as you know. I was refering to a hypothethical high quality journalist (maybe one of the RTE workers you named) who are forced to start at the bottom, they get a break at tv3, but there is no place for their high standard of writing, so they dumb down and keep trying to get up higher until they succeed.
I never said that a journalist comes straight out of college and walks straight behind the RTE news desk. And i never even said that great journalists would make it to the top of sky or tv3 the minute they graduate, unless they are very, very, very lucky and got about 10 huge exclusive stories that re-shaped the country...or something...



....i would find it hard to believe that a journalist that writes tv3 standard news could make it anywhere decent in RTE, they would have to be able to go higher quality wise. Just as a matter of interest, the tv3 people you named, when they went to RTE, did they have higher ranking or lower ranking jobs?? Or did their position stay the same, but just a new company?

Flogen

Flogen you domnt seem to be getting what i am saying. Do you think RTE Would poach reporters from tv3 on the bias that "Oh they are only workin at half strength, lets take them on here and they will be twice as good" Dont think so. RTE Gets hundreds of applications in when they advertise for jobs and if what you are saying is true...well then whats to say that a person coming from college cannot do the same, that is get twice as good when they start in RTE?? You dont seem to make sense!! Showreels and On Screen showings of people show Possible employers what the Journo is capable of. If the Showreel contains stuff which is from tv3, or as you say "Dumbed Down"(And as you say that is very low standard) Well then what you are saying means possible employers will not even look at it.

As i have said already 2 reporters from 3 have gone to reporte/producer positions in Prime time - A Step Up

3 Have gone to RTE Radio one as Producers/ Journos - A Step up

And a number(You can check list i posted already cos i too lazy to type again) Have gone to RTE Newsroom all moving up the ladder from Journos to Anchor, Producer and News Editor

No One out of college straight actually works in TV3, They refuse to let people straight out of college on air. Any staff which come to tv3 are usually from professional radio backgrounds or other stations.