Enterprise season 3, episode 10: Similitude

bizmark

10/10



I really like this ep the whole story about cloneing and the debate about if sim is notting but a spare parts can for trip nearly all good star trek story lines take heavly from real world and this is no different the speical effetcs where nice as well.

Also kinda felt for sim more than trip sad to see him die at the end....but it was fitting he chouse to go through with the op other than being forced becaused he reliesed it was for the greater good.

I think archer did the right thing as well......whats one life for 6 billion + or the life's of all the future federasion members trillion's of people he did what he had to and it took ball's to make that call

mind you i dont think 2 small shuttle pods could move the Enterprise but hey thats a small point

great ep

claire h

Ah, poor Sim.

I liked that this was a storyline that could only be done on 'Enterprise', really, because I doubt something like that would have been acceptable in the TNG/DS9/Voyager-era. I don't know if I agree with what Archer did or not. I mean, he created a sentient lifeform for the sole purpose of taking its neural tissue or whatever it was... and while Sim chose to go willingly at the end, he didn't really have a choice. Archer would have killed him for the sake of Trip and 'the mission', and while I see where he's coming from, I don't think that makes it right.

Great beginning, very clever. But sneaky.

And Sim and T'Pol... well now. That was interesting indeed. I figured something was going to happen there, but I didn't think she'd be the one to make it happen.

As for the shuttlepods thing... yeah, they weren't very clear about how that worked, were they? Ah well...

bizmark

I don't think that makes it right.

Trip was needed for the mission it might of failed if he wasnt around and the mission was to save earth how much more important could you get .....sim would of only lived 15 days anyway so whats one 15 day life compeared to billions

simple maths makes what archer did right imho

claire h

It's still one *life*, though. It's still someone's right to live being taken away from them. You can't give someone life and then try to take it back, y'know? And you can't justify something that's morally wrong with mathematics.

Besides, any mission where every single person is so important that the mission couldn't keep going without them... that's bad organisation, that is.

bizmark

Originally posted by claire h
It's still one *life*, though. It's still someone's right to live being taken away from them. You can't give someone life and then try to take it back, y'know? And you can't justify something that's morally wrong with mathematics.

Besides, any mission where every single person is so important that the mission couldn't keep going without them... that's bad organisation, that is.

I think anyone would give there life to save billions if they didnt there a truely worthless human.Though maybe they should of put sim into a coma at the start and not let him wonder around becomeing the man they where trying to save ah well.

They send enterprise because it was by far the fastist ship in earth's fleet the rest are limited to warp 1-2 which is far to f-ing slow

Woden

hey ho title fixed

right watched episode via an avi (thanks prae) due to mates dropping up.

yeap really enjoyed that episode, all like the ones about the morals, start yes very sneaky i thought oh no not another reset, then until the scene in sickbay i was like aaaaaahhhhhh.

hate to be trip with t'pol when they get talking nothing like getting screwed over by yourself, also liked the humour bout the adolescent crush that was 2 days ago. good stuff more please

data

User45701

I didnt think it was a good episode 5/6 out of 10
Morel stuff is good ye but there are too many episodes like that. they are good but not great.
Its not good enough to make me want to watch a 2nd time. while ive seen anzati prime 3 times and Twilight 4 times

EDIT: i notice the morral discussion on this topic. Put it simply.

You have the power to cure some illness like cancer
In order to cure it you have to kill 1 innocant child/baby would you do it?
Y/N

How about 10?
How about 100?
1000?

The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one

mr_angry

10/10? No way. I'd give it about 5, and most of those just for the attempt at addressing a serious issue. However, they seemed to ignore the most obvious logic of the lot when trying to justify decisions. e.g. Everybody was going to die anyway, if they didn't do the cloning. Including the grub thingy itself.

Well, perhaps they didn't know that at the time. But its a story that's been done a hundred times before in different guises, and Enterprise still hasn't shown me a hint of originality yet. There's virtually no character development - Archer is still the same Archer he always was. Malcolm is still the same Malcolm he always. Tripp is still the same Tripp he always was. Hoshi is still the same Hoshi she always was. T'Pol is still the same repressed Vulcan with a vague liking for humans that she always was.

The least one of them could do is grow a Riker-esque beard!

Haruspex

Have to agree with mr_angry in some respects... (Except maybe for the dodgy Riker-esque beards - we have seen a Reed attempt at a goatee and it ain't pretty! :cool: )

Good, engaging episode overall although it had its flaws. Did it remind anyone else of TNG's "The Offspring" where Data builds a 'daughter'? (Called Lal or something like that. Her positronic brain fails and she promptly dies.) I refer to the parallels here in that they introduce a new character, give it a limited lifespan, bonding occurs between the characters (T'Pol you know who you are! ), force the characters to make emotional decisions regarding the new character's fate and then wrap it neatly (with a bow) at the end!

And now that I think of it, didn't Voyager have an episode where an advanced Borg drone was created from the Doctor's portable emitter and Seven's nanoprobes? And also made the ultimate sacrifice in the end?

So if you really break it down, can "Similitude" be seen as a Trek episode by numbers? Something we've seen before repackaged as an all-new Enterprise episode? I fear for the future of this show...

Woden

there is comparisions with the offspring but that is it, he was created just to save someone else, Lal wasn't her dead was accidental, they knew what was going to happen to sim,

the episode of voyager you refer to i think is one, here we have accidental creation of something which did make the ultimate sacrifice to stop the borg getting him and basically getting a 29th century drone into there collective. still different imo

Haruspex

Originally posted by Dataisgod

the episode of voyager you refer to i think is one, here we have accidental creation of something which did make the ultimate sacrifice to stop the borg getting him and basically getting a 29th century drone into there collective. still different imo

Thanks! That's the name of the episode I was thinking of alright!

shinzon

Twas alright no great shakes, been done before on voyager with drone and tuvix eps.

these writers must really be running out of ideas, all there doing is dressing up old eps with new gloss.

Have to say one of the better of the morality stories theyve told

Shin