A United Ireland

dlofnep

Do you want a United Ireland? Please note that I have seperated the vote counts into segmented groups to get a fair opinion of all followings. Give reasons as to why you chose your answer.

Meh

Where's the atheist/agnostic option? What about Orthodox Christians, Jews, Muslims and Hindus? Do they not get a vote?

David-[RLD]-

because the Good Friday Agreement depends on a Catholic majority only before a referendum can take place.

anyway, HELL YES! why would any decent Irish person vote no??? treason, i tells you!

flogen

well, because if a United Ireland happens then the violence is likely to come to Dublin, and it will cost the Irish people endless amounts of money to support the province.....

saying that I would like to see it happen, but only if it is wanted by the a large majority in the north, and not just a catholic majority that may happen in the coming years... its ALOT more cut and dry than just yes and no

Flogen

markomac316

We've had to live with bombings up here, being under threat from loyalists everyday of our lives. Stop being a coward.

A united Ireland is the only way forward.

bizmark

bah a united ireland could cripple our economy like it's doing to germany

If its to happen might be best to phase it in over a few years make sure the troubles have stoped etc......

flogen

Im sorry, you seem to have mis interpretated me. I said that is an argument against a united Ireland, but not mine.
I am for a united ireland, but only with a large majority... it will happen IMO, but how long is the question

Flogen

Hobbes

Originally posted by Meh
Where's the atheist option?

You don't believe in God? But which god is it you don't believe in?

markomac316

O well in that case sorry man. I dont care how large the majority is just as long as it is enough to get us what we want. At the end of the day there is only 500,000 of them and there is at least 4,000,000 of us. To me thats a large enough majority.

mike65

Where's the "foreign jonny who lives here and is atheist" option? Oh I wont have a vote if there's a referendum so thats okay then....

Mike.

mike65

Originally posted by markomac316
[BI dont care how large the majority is just as long as it is enough to get us what we want. At the end of the day there is only 500,000 of them and there is at least 4,000,000 of us. To me thats a large enough majority. [/B]

Words to warm the heart of any Provo...

Mike.

Yavvy

Words to warm the heart of any Provo...

or any wannabe provo for that matter.

I wonder, if Ireland is united ..will the provos disband and say " that was mighty crack lads..well done" or will thy continue to be a band of criminals intent of causing fear and pain for personal profit ?

Villain

Mods, can we get that poll edited, so it contains a ROI option without a religion.


I would support a United Ireland, after all we are an Island so we should be united as 1.

Bad Poll:(

gurramok

Originally posted by flogen
saying that I would like to see it happen, but only if it is wanted by the a large majority in the north, and not just a catholic majority that may happen in the coming years... its ALOT more cut and dry than just yes and no

That is what the majority is not based on now.
As your run of the mill unionist would say 'the greater number of people of NI', not specific to one community

dlofnep

The poll's significance is there to see if the divide between catholics and protestants is as strong as it is portrayed.

bizmark

there is only 500,000 of them and there is at least 4,000,000 of us. To me thats a large enough majority.

Its 1.57 million of "them" and 4 million of "us"

flogen

I wonder, if Ireland is united ..will the provos disband and say " that was mighty crack lads..well done" or will thy continue to be a band of criminals intent of causing fear and pain for personal profit ?

good point, something Ive wondered myself.
It would be great if the IRA were mouthing off about freedom etc, and the Uk gov and Unionists just said..'ok, have it, its yours'. theyd probably start a war against bertie for the laugh
"what else are we going to do with our spare time, guns and drug money??"

Flogen

Sparks

Can we get an option for humanists who happen to think that this whole question is a waste of time and we'd be better off just improving our lives by tackling more important and immediate problems like those associated with the healthcare system, the educational system, the budget, law enforcement, the judicary, the legislature's ethical conduct, the electoral system, and so on?

Xterminator

Perhaps we'd be aswell to be a state in a federal Europe?

PS Poll maker ... not everybody is Catholic or Protestant in Ireland.

X

dahamsta

What's religion got to do with a United Ireland? Only a bigot would make a religious issue out of it.

adam

Villain

Originally posted by dlofnep
The poll's significance is there to see if the divide between catholics and protestants is as strong as it is portrayed.

Well I think Nationlist and Unionists might have been a way to go, not everyone up there is Catholic or Protestant, and not everyone here is either.

MODS CAN WE PLEASE GET THE POLL EDITED???

Nuttzz

Its fine to aspire to a United Ireland, the british have unsucessfully combatted the IRA for 30 years, none of their tactics were very sucessful.

In a United Ireland, Irish troops would have to patrol the streets of Belfast, as the johnny adair types would take up the role the IRA left.

Will you justify the increase in spending on security and are you prepared to see Irish troops die, I'm not. We dont need that basket case of a place. In any case within 50-60 years we will all be part of a United States of Europe so a united ireland will be a non issue

Mighty_Mouse

Religion has nothing to do with it really.

I think a simple yes or no would work best here. Just to get a "feel" of the stance by regular posters in this room.

There's no point in dividing it up because its ever gonna be representative anyways.

Yes
No
Dont Know

I think its a good poll but can we have the options changed?

Jaden

Nuttzz pretty much beat me to the chase here.

A united Ireland is a nice idea. We all love the warm, fuzzy feeling of an island all to ourselves.

Wakey wakey. It's not going to happen soon, or easily.

All the majority of Catholics in the north want, is a reversal of the current setup, with Catholics in power, and subduing the prodestant minority. The "us and them" thinking makes this very apparent.

Bitter times have made for a bitter people, with a bitter outlook on life. The population of NI are unable to see past their own back gardens, everything there has been polarized to be either Catholic or Protestant, Celtic or Rangers, Nationalist or Loyalist. You could say that division and segregation have become an important part of life in NI.

I don't want this is a united Ireland. This is not treason. This is rational thinking.

The concept of a united Ireland will be made obsolete by a united Europe. At least that's what I hope.

In the interim, a united Ireland would just spread the problems that abound in the north, and I, for one, don't want that.

Economic mayhem.
A divided, bitter population.
Military factions running organised crime.

Not in my country.

Johnny_the_fox

Originally posted by Jaden
All the majority of Catholics in the north want, is a reversal of the current setup, with Catholics in power, and subduing the prodestant minority. The "us and them" thinking makes this very apparent.

being from the north and catholic...
i think the majority of Catholic in the North just want to be able to live in the north.. tbh they dont want power - they just dont want be second class citizens no longer.

ReefBreak

Originally posted by David-[RLD]-
because the Good Friday Agreement depends on a Catholic majority only before a referendum can take place.

anyway, HELL YES! why would any decent Irish person vote no??? treason, i tells you!

Plenty of decent Irish people (52% as write this) would vote no. There are plenty of reasons (outlined above): social reasons, economic reasons, terrorism from loyalist separatists.

But I think there is one very important fact to remember: Never in Irish history has there been an occasion when Ireland was an independent united island. Yet republicans (including FF) seem to think that it's some sort of holy grail. Why? So we can remove a line on a map? Because the people of Ireland have a right to govern everyone that exists on an island, simply because it's an island, and simply because the whole island happens just happens to be called Ireland or Éire. What if by some historical twist of fate, the south-western half of the Island was called Munsterland, and the rest was called Ireland? Would we see the existence of a terrorist group demanding the sovereignty of Munsterland. It might sound silly, but it's not that far removed from what's happening in NI. Protestants have been in NI for 400 years, whereas Normans have been in Ireland for over 1000 years. Yet we don't see true-blooded Irish gaels in Kerry or Munster demanding independence from their Norman oppressors (Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick, etc) in Dublin.

ReefBreak

Originally posted by markomac316
We've had to live with bombings up here, being under threat from loyalists everyday of our lives. Stop being a coward.

A sickening comment. Or..."We've had to endure 30 years of murder, now it's your turn."

Originally posted by markomac316
A united Ireland is the only way forward.

Don't you mean "the only forward" to another 30 years of terrorism, murder and grief?

mr_angry

Nutz was right: we're all going to be swallowed by a European superstate anyway.

MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Typedef

Federal-like elements of unity (where it makes sense, industrial development, transport, agriculture and the like).... maybe with the Republic joining the Commonwealth as a quid pro quo and I'm an athiest.

Tax varying powers?

I'm sure there'd be some fudge we could come up with, to keep the Unionists in fat city.

Currency?

Euro.

Foreign policy?

Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland and GB, form a 'mutual friendship' pact, where the Republic (as a vast dispensation to NI) agrees to military support of Britian. Stormount decides on Northern Ireland's foreign policy, with some form of binding pacts between the NI state, Republic's Parliment and Westminster, regarding participation in things like war, Europe and so on.

Quite a similar arrangement as Gladstone came up with in the 1870s.

In fact, if the Republic could be more secular and more friendly to Britian, I'm sure some sort of fudged Federal arrangement (aka joint-British/Irish authority) over Northern Ireland could be tenable.

/Thinks about relocating business to Northern Irish (Tax dispensation) area.

*grin*

Either that or repartition. Personally, I have no desire to live in a country with Ian Paisley... and I'm quite sure, the feeling is mutual.

markomac316

thats not what I meant. We've had thousands of people from the North give up their lives for a united Ireland. Its about time people from the free state understood this and wised up and said yes we are going to do something about it. And im afraid your wrong, with your "30 years of trouble". There has been trouble in Ireland ever since a foreign nation took control.

And no I dont mean its another way forward to another 30 years of murder and grief. I mean it is the only way forward. Ever since there was a free state, the people in the North have fought back, and we will continue to do so. The only way to stop that is by the Brits giving in. And if people turn around and say "What about th UDA etc bombing Dublin and the rest of ireland" then you people are stupid. The only major bombing any loyalist para's have done was the Dublin bombing and EVERYONE knows it was made by British bomb experts. They dont have the intelligence to mount an offensive without the suppose of the police or the army.

As for the I.R.A disarming when there is a united Ireland they will do. That is their objective to have a united Ireland and when that happens they will disarm, because simply there is nothing left to fight for.

But obviously a lot of the people down south dont have the same feelings as the people do up here. So maybe Reefbreak is right, perhaps the U.D.A should stick a few bombs up your asses with a msg saying "made by the british army" and then you'll get back the fighting irish spirit, then again maybe not.

sovtek

Originally posted by Xterminator

PS Poll maker ... not everybody is Catholic or Protestant in Ireland.

X

Or Irish.

Mighty_Mouse

Im unable to fully contribute to this debate at the moment. It just makes me sick to see how greed, prosperity and selfishness have turned some modern Irish people is to americanised, culturally devoid, day-to-day living, idealless, media hungry, intellectually stifled robots .

I am sick to think that some people here care more about their BMW's, 4x4's , and foreign holidays than the plight of the Northern Irish - Irish.

Economic reasons are a joke of an excuse. (a larger economy, hugely devloped infrastructure in NI, etc etc. For economic reasons alone it make more sense for the Island to operate as a whole in an international market.

The fear of terror etc - I the union is done correctly then we can minimise this. Protestants, orangemen, unionists have to be assured that their cultures and beliefs are welcomed in a multicultural Ireland. After being abandoned by england for so long this might be more possible than ye may think.

Originally posted by Typedef
Currency?

Euro.

Sweet mother of divine intervention

I never thought I'd see a post from typedef advocating the euro ...

/ note to self check the proof of the whiskey I've been drinking here as I wait for a connecting flight and check back later

On the central topic,I have no truck with a united Ireland, I can see it coming eventually in some form or other, possibly initially in some variation of the form typedef has mentioned.

dlofnep

The poll:

I don't think you have understood the reasoning behind the poll. It is not to see what James McDean at Number 5, Oak Terrace In Dublin 4 thinks, nor is it not to see what Steven McCool in 27 Rice Crispy Square thinks. It is a poll to see if there is a divide between catholics and protestants and their opinions.

If you are of a different faith, do not feel secluded. Now, if anybody can not grasp that much, then I am sorry, but I cannot make it anymore comprehendible than it is.

Nuttzz

I am sick to think that some people here care more about their BMW's, 4x4's , and foreign holidays than the plight of the Northern Irish - Irish.

Nuttz only cares about Nutzz, his family and his friends.

Nutzz didnt like the abuse that the christain brothers doled out to him in school so he moved.

Nutzz didnt like the vandals bricking the house he lived in for 15 years so he moved

The people who were not happy about living in northern ireland were not forced to live there.

I have to laugh for years people in the north cried about civil rights (quite rightly) but still wouldnt move south because the welfare system is better in the north.
Back in the 80's the Unionists made an arguement that the south couldnt afford to take on the north because of the cost of the welfare state

"What about th UDA etc bombing Dublin and the rest of ireland" then you people are stupid. The only major bombing any loyalist para's have done was the Dublin bombing and EVERYONE knows it was made by British bomb experts. They dont have the intelligence to mount an offensive without the suppose of the police or the army

Wakey Wakey, the provo's couldnt bomb their way out of a paper bag in 1969, didnt stop them learning did it? You assume that none of their mates in Combat 18 wouldnt give them a hand, or that they wouldnt learn how to do it themselves just like the provos :rolleyes:

But obviously a lot of the people down south dont have the same feelings as the people do up here. So maybe Reefbreak is right, perhaps the U.D.A should stick a few bombs up your asses with a msg saying "made by the british army" and then you'll get back the fighting irish spirit, then again maybe not.

how old are you? 10? People down here dont want (or need) to die for basket cases like you

Sparks

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
Im unable to fully contribute to this debate at the moment. It just makes me sick to see how greed, prosperity and selfishness have turned some modern Irish people is to americanised, culturally devoid, day-to-day living, idealless, media hungry, intellectually stifled robots .

Robots? Because we don't happen to think that blowing up children with pipe bombs is a better way to live our lives? Because we're out to make a better life for ourselves and our kids and their kids through education and getting better jobs and nicer houses and better infrastructure and improving the healthcare system and a dozen other important avenues?

It may not be as hollywood as setting off bombs or dragging a father out of his home to shoot him in front of his kids, but to say it's not better than that?

Go take a long walk off a short pier.

ReefBreak

Originally posted by markomac316
thats not what I meant. We've had thousands of people from the North give up their lives for a united Ireland. Its about time people from the free state understood this and wised up and said yes we are going to do something about it. And im afraid your wrong, with your "30 years of trouble". There has been trouble in Ireland ever since a foreign nation took control.

And no I dont mean its another way forward to another 30 years of murder and grief. I mean it is the only way forward. Ever since there was a free state, the people in the North have fought back, and we will continue to do so. The only way to stop that is by the Brits giving in. And if people turn around and say "What about th UDA etc bombing Dublin and the rest of ireland" then you people are stupid. The only major bombing any loyalist para's have done was the Dublin bombing and EVERYONE knows it was made by British bomb experts. They dont have the intelligence to mount an offensive without the suppose of the police or the army.

As for the I.R.A disarming when there is a united Ireland they will do. That is their objective to have a united Ireland and when that happens they will disarm, because simply there is nothing left to fight for.

But obviously a lot of the people down south dont have the same feelings as the people do up here. So maybe Reefbreak is right, perhaps the U.D.A should stick a few bombs up your asses with a msg saying "made by the british army" and then you'll get back the fighting irish spirit, then again maybe not.

And you don't think loyalists wouldn't start to bomb our country if a united Ireland came into existence? Considering the distain and contempt that protestants are treated with by a huge proportion of catholics on the island, I imagine it would be a near certainty. They may not have the intelligence or the manpower now, but neither did the 'RA at then end of the 60s...

As for your comment that a United Ireland is the only way forward. You're wrong, wrong, wrong. If one innocent life has to die for it, then I'm against it - it's simply not worth it. ...Which is why I find your comment that the IRA will only disarm when there is a United Ireland, and there is nothing left to fight for to be vomit-making. The IRA never fought anyone. They were a cowardly bunch of terrorists that left bombs in pubs, town centres before running away like the cowardly scum that they are.

Fighting Irish spirit? What fighting spirit did the IRA have? They were terrorists. They were nothing less than a disgrace to Ireland and every decent citizen in this country. The only "Irish" in NI that I care for are those that did not embrace or support the IRA and terrorism (and there were plenty of those, catholics or otherwise). The rest can rot.

Civilian_Target

I live in Belfast. And I say, let me get out, then cut northern Ireland out of Ireland, get a very big tug and stick it into the middle of the atlantic. And let them fight to death. I'm catholic, I'm sick of the violence, the politics of this place are totally ****ed up and I can tell you for free that a united Ireland is an economicly impossible and socially unacceptable pipe dream.

The Irish don't want it, the Brits don't want it, and the people of NI want both! The worst scenario for the North is that the brits dump them, lets face it, without the £2billion (thats £2000 per man,woman and child, per year! ) they pour into this black hole of a country to try to help balance the books, NI is screwed.

Combining the South and the North? Not a prospect that i really find myself yearning for these days. When i was younger and full of tales of Irish Rebels, yes, but now? Not a chance.

Whats the point? If the people in the North wanted to be Irish, they could have moved to the south. For the most part they stayed, and lived under British rule. The chose to be British Subjects. I choose to be an Irish Citizen.

The North would just be a millstone to break the back of the Republic. I'm not even talking abt the economic reprecussions, but rather there are too many issues still ongoing in the North, for the Republic to safely integrate back.

Jaden

I listed three reasons why I wouldn't want a united Ireland, they were:

Economic mayhem.
A divided, bitter population.
Military factions running organised crime.

Reason one is bang on. Every fact and figure I see shows that NI is a money pit that Britain props up.

Reason two is where people like markomac316 fit. If I thought for one minute that he reflected mainstream Irish thinking, I'd hand back my passport and move somewhere else. This kind of "Let's die for Ireland and kick some hun ass" thinking ( I use the term loosely) is frightening.

Reason three worries me the most. No paramilitary organisation is going to give up it's control of organised crime. The IRA won't, and the UDA won't. Too much cushy power. Both organisations were found on a set of principles long since cast aside. The IRA, in a united Ireland, would soon become public enemy number one, the day they shoot and kill a member of the Gardai. Oh wait, they've already done that.

NI nationalists have one definition of what it is to be Irish, in many ways differing from what someone in the republic beleives is Irish. In truth, the NI viewpoint is probably morelike the Irish-American (plastic paddy) viewpoint, then it is like anything else. The chasm grows wider every day.

It will take a long time to reintegrate these viewpoints into a common vision.

ReefBreak

Originally posted by markomac316
thats not what I meant. We've had thousands of people from the North give up their lives for a united Ireland. Its about time people from the free state understood this and wised up and said yes we are going to do something about it.

How many people in the North have given up their lives for a United Ireland? Thousands? Absolute, complete and utter balderdash.

Let's take 1969-94:

- Total Killed: 3225
- Civilians Killed: 1739. These were civilians with no links to paramilitary organisations. They did not die for a united ireland, they were simply murdered.
- NI Security Forces (mostly UDR/RUC): 494. Certainly didn't die for a united ireland.
- Non-NI Security Forces (mostly regular Brit. Army): 501. Again, certainly didn't die for a united ireland.
- Loyalists Killed: 103. Ditto.
- Republicans killed: 383. Depending on how they were killed, you might say they gave up their lives for a united ireland. But as much as I oppose the death penalty, like some of the loyalists, some of them probably deserved to die. For example: the man that got killed planting a bomb in a fish shop on the Shankill Road.

markomac316

Thats only from 1969 - 1994...Did life just start at 1969? I dont think so, try going back hundreds of years ago, during the great hunger {and please dont say but Ireland was united then because it was being controlled by a foreign country} thousands of people died because THEY refused to swear alligence to the crown of England.

How are they I.R.A terrorists?, they were fighting a war against the British state, and in every war innocent people are killed. Its people like you who should be ashamed to call themselves Irish. I've had neighbours who were tortured at the hands of the British army, I've had my family lifted and put into prison for no reason, I've had an uncle killed through collusion, I've seen the cops help burn out my friends parents old house {through video footage}. If you dont have a hate for people who would do that to your own people then there is something wrong with you. And this kind of thing has been going own for centuries. Bbut you've probably got your nice little house in the free state and your very happy with that and so dont give two tosses about the missing 6.

And someone said about us moving...Why should we move we live in Ireland!. My advice to people who dont want the missing 6 is go and listen to your national anthem..Whats playing The Soldiers Song, or God Save the Queen, because for most people here its God save the queen. And by chance if your listening to the Soldiers Song listen to the lyrics

"Sworn to be free"...
"Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!
The Long watched day is breaking;
The serried ranks of Innisfail
Shall set the tyrant quaking.
Our camp fires now are burning low;
See in the east a silvery glow,
Out yonder waits the saxon foe,
So sing a soldier's song"

David-[RLD]-

Yeah you have a point. A lot of people here don't care about a United Ireland because 26 counties got independence and that's all they care about. They just abandon the other 6 because they have happy go-lucky lives in the Republic.

The country these days seems to be a tad Anglicised if you ask me, especially with FF in government.

And yeah, innocent people die in every war; guerrilla or not.

ReefBreak

Placing a bomb in a pub and murdering 21 people is terrorism.
Placing a bomb in a city centre is terrorism.
Placing a bomb in a shopping centre is terrorism.
Placing a bomb in a remembrance day parade is terrorism.
Murdering a retired RUC officer is terrorism.
Hell, murdering an on duty RUC officer is terrorism.
The IRA were not fighting a war, they were waging a terrorist campaign.
They intentionally murdered over 800 innocent civilians over the course of the troubles.
The IRA are terrorists. Deal with it.

Note that I sing the National Anthem when I'm at a hurling match. But then again, most countrys' national anthems are fairly blood-thirsty tune, so I can live with it. But the difference between you and me is that it doesn't give me an excuse to defend the actions of murdererous scum.

ireton

wow, I thought it was only the dup who could get that emotional about "thousands of years ago"
how come no Protestant: NI: no (over my dead body in fact) - I detect a popish plot!

David-[RLD]-

Haven't you people ever heard of Éire Nua?

Each province gets its own federal Dáil which in turn are presided over by Dáil Éireann and Seanad Éireann. That way the Unionists can stop moaning and can take seats in Dáil Uladh.

Tis a good idea imo. If a fully United Ireland under just Dáil agus Seanad Éireann won't work, then the Éire Nua programme seems to be our best bet for unity.

Sparks

I've yet to see a good reason for a united Ireland.

Feel free to supply one, but please note:

"But it's our manifest destiny!" is not a good reason.
"But we're all one island!" is not a good reason, or europe and asia would be one single country, as would north and south america.

I want a reason that gives us a sound, provable, non-ideological benefit to going through the difficult process of bringing it about.
Does anyone have one?

markomac316

Originally posted by ReefBreak
Placing a bomb in a pub and murdering 21 people is terrorism.
Placing a bomb in a city centre is terrorism.
Placing a bomb in a shopping centre is terrorism.
Placing a bomb in a remembrance day parade is terrorism.
Murdering a retired RUC officer is terrorism.
Hell, murdering an on duty RUC officer is terrorism.
The IRA were not fighting a war, they were waging a terrorist campaign.
They intentionally murdered over 800 innocent civilians over the course of the troubles.
The IRA are terrorists. Deal with it.

So how about shooting missiles into schools that are defenseless?, into hospitals etc..so that makes America terrorists right, well going by what your saying they are, or are they not cause they use missiles.

The are an army fighting a war get over it.

Typedef

Originally posted by markomac316

And no I dont mean its another way forward to another 30 years of murder and grief. I mean it is the only way forward. Ever since there was a free state, the people in the North have fought back, and we will continue to do so. The only way to stop that is by the Brits giving in. And if people turn around and say "What about th UDA etc bombing Dublin and the rest of ireland" then you people are stupid. The only major bombing any loyalist para's have done was the Dublin bombing and EVERYONE knows it was made by British bomb experts. They dont have the intelligence to mount an offensive without the suppose of the police or the army.

Ahh grasshopper.

The biggest mistake one can make in an adversarial situation is underestimating one's enemy.

If what you say is true, then what's to stop the 'Brits' arming/supplying intelligence to the Loyalist provos, in an ironic parody of the Irish government supplying arms etc to the Republican provos?

Nothing is the answer and the British state has an economy somewhere between 16 and 17 times the size of the Irish one.

Think it through, domination by one side over another will only lead to more, violence.

Besides, I don't want to force Unionists into a State they don't want to live in, that would make me as bad as the likes of Ian Paisley, who created the Northern state to the advantage of it's Loyalist/Unionist population.

Joint authority or total partition, it's the only egalitarian solution.

You shouldn't allow yourself to stoop to thinking that it would be OK, for an envigorated quasi-Republican settlement to stand on Unionism, because of history. That's why they call it history, because it's in the past, a future settlement has to be built on consesus, mutual inclusion and mutual respect.

One side dominating the other is just a leopard of a different stripe, different record, same tune.

markomac316

They forced us to do the same here, why shouldnt we do the same. At the end of the day in a United Ireland they would be treated equally, unlike Republicans and Nationalists current in the Occuppied 6.

ReefBreak

Originally posted by markomac316
So how about shooting missiles into schools that are defenseless?, into hospitals etc..so that makes America terrorists right, well going by what your saying they are, or are they not cause they use missiles.

The are an army fighting a war get over it.

FFS. Sinn Féin's Defend the 'RA Soundbite #43: use the War in Iraq to justify the IRA. Where have I mentioned that a missile going astray in a market in Baghdad and killing scores of people of okay?

Question: if a loyalist bombs a pub in Dublin, does that make it okay for the IRA to do the same in Belfast?