Smoking Ban (29th of March)

WezzyB

Just read on Unison that today the Minister for Health is going to be announcing the 29th of March as the date from which the Smoking ban is to come into effect from.

Irish Independent, 18th February 2004
Lights out for smokers by the end of March
THE ban on smoking in pubs, restaurants and the workplace will come into effect on Monday March 29, it will be officially announced today.

Minister Micheal Martin will declare the selected date at a press conference after the Cabinet approved the decision yesterday.

The choice of late March for the start of a nationwide stub-out is believed to have been influenced by an anxiety to avoid selecting April 1 - April Fool's Day. Nonetheless the decision allows less than six weeks for the introduction, which is bound to further enrage the hospitality industry.

However, this may be a deliberate strategy to minimise the window for a legal challenge to be mounted against the ban.

irishgeo

It should have been Ash wednesday. I mean its just the ideal for it. Offical Stop Smoking day and the start of Lent.

:dunno:

I be glad when it comes in.

Johnny Versace

In a few decades when smoking is banned, we'll be looking at how insane we were to allow smoking, and most of all, to allow smokers smoke beside non-smokers!

Nitrox

So close and yet so far, cant wait for the day when i can drink a pint without getting choked in other peoples bad habbits.
I actually think people will start to go out more now so whats the big problem.

flogen

heres hoping Jonny....heres hoping

Flogen

Lafortezza

It'll be interesting to see how pubs and especially clubs deal with the number of smokers who
1) "forget" about the ban and light up inside
2) congregate around doors to outside the premises knowing they'll be going for a smoke soon
3) bring drink outside (especially during the summer) and sit there chain smoking

dregin

/me can't wait for the ban.

Panda

Suddenly a strange feeling has come over me.....

I think its called scepticism.....
yeah, definatly scepticism.

will the deadline be pushed forwards again? probably.

alienhead

i'm not sure how they're supposed to police this, i've heard of confidential numbers......... is it up to the pub to enforce the law? will be interesting on a fri, sat night in a dublin club.

i take it they'll be removing cig machines.

bring it on.

Johnny Versace

People will just smoke in the toilets...

OT: When the world gets taken over by the Apes - Planet of the Apes style - do you think the apes will enjoy smoking? If so, what brand will they smoke?

I vote cigars (yes, I know this isn't a brand!)

ixoy

Great news about the ban! The selfish puffings shall end and I can enjoy clothes that do not stink after a night out. I hope they get the hotline number up and running, because - if it's not being properly enforced in clubs and pubs I frequent - then it's ringing time!

Dustaz

Suppose its another month of 'Wait and see' for the unrepentant smokers among us. Even with the current climate and supposed anger of non-smokers, the no smoking section in the Orchard in rathfarnham remains empty 6 nights out of 7.

Seraphina

well thats because people dont want to sit away from their friends, even if they're smoking.

personally i hate everyone smoking around me, i find it disgusting, and its so rude that smokers just dont care. i have two friends who are very nice about it, and will always ask before lighting up, especially in restaurants. but people who just light up and puff in your face because its their right to do what they want really piss me off sometimes.

suppafly

yup can't wait for it to come in!

Mercury_Tilt

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Mossy Monk

can't wait for the ban on cars when i'm walking the streets to come in. the fumes almost choke me

oh wait that's ok :mad:

ixoy

Originally posted by Dustaz
Suppose its another month of 'Wait and see' for the unrepentant smokers among us. Even with the current climate and supposed anger of non-smokers, the no smoking section in the Orchard in rathfarnham remains empty 6 nights out of 7.

Umm p'raps because all the smokers have dragged their non-smoking compadrés to the smoking section? It's completely daft to use this as a measure of the effect of the smoking ban. In one case they have an alternative, so it's not surprising they'll take their nicotine to the other area. When the ban is in place, they can't go elsewhere - which is no indicator to say they won't go at all.

ErinGoBrath

Originally posted by Dustaz
Suppose its another month of 'Wait and see' for the unrepentant smokers among us. Even with the current climate and supposed anger of non-smokers, the no smoking section in the Orchard in rathfarnham remains empty 6 nights out of 7.

But in fainess the non smoking section in the Orchard is secluded and badly laid out.

IgnatiusJRiley

Originally posted by Mossy Monk
can't wait for the ban on cars when i'm walking the streets to come in. the fumes almost choke me

oh wait that's ok :mad:

driving neccessary.
smoking not.
Having said that though, private cars probably should be banned from city centres... only a matter of time.

Saruman

Bring it on! I will be back from Hawaii by the time this kicks in so happy days... sorry to smokers but i cant stand going to pubs etc and not being able to breath.

lodgepole

Originally posted by ErinGoBrath
But in fainess the non smoking section in the Orchard is secluded and badly laid out.

And uncomfortable.

The Orchard does have a beer garden though, so at least in the summer you'll be able to smoke outside.

Ph3n0m

I am just curious on how it will be policed?

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by Ph3n0m
I am just curious on how it will be policed?

I used to be a barman. People (women in particular) regularily go psycho when drunk. There is no way I'd risk getting a broken nose/etc. by telling someone to put out their cigarette. Especially on a barmans wage.

ixoy

Originally posted by Mossy Monk
can't wait for the ban on cars when i'm walking the streets to come in. the fumes almost choke me

oh wait that's ok :mad:

What a daft comparison :rolleyes: Cars, and petroleum based transport, are a vital component of modern society. They allow us to transport goods and people across distances. They assist in your every day living. Admittedly, it'd be nice to have a cleaner fuel source but that's not viable currently. There is most certanly a massive silver lining on that cloud of smoke.

Smoking has no such advantageous side. It's a filthy habit. It's addictive. It's more directly harmful. It's completely unnecessary!

Mossy Monk

i was referring to city centres, should have pointed that out. please carry on

alienhead

i've heard this argument a few times. v stupid.

Originally posted by Mossy Monk
can't wait for the ban on cars when i'm walking the streets to come in. the fumes almost choke me

oh wait that's ok :mad:

aodh_rua

Just to follow up the Unison story in the first post - Michael Martin has had his press conference and confirmed March 29 as the start date.

Giblet

I can't wait. I do think that its wrong and facist though, but it's in my favor, so screw you!

Washout

Was in a bar in virginia US last week which didnt allow smoking...

anyone who wanted to smoke just went outside for a puff and it was extremly cold too and no1 was complaining it was an attidude of respecting the ppl around you... lets hope the same attidue gets instilled in the irish smoking public.

Villain

Originally posted by Washout
Was in a bar in virginia US last week which didnt allow smoking...

anyone who wanted to smoke just went outside for a puff and it was extremly cold too and no1 was complaining it was an attidude of respecting the ppl around you... lets hope the same attidue gets instilled in the irish smoking public.

In small rural locations I doubt that will happen and with the manner in which it is going to be policed I can see there being a lot of problems

BuffyBot

Ireland, it's become such a dull place to live.

bug

anyone who wanted to smoke just went outside for a puff and it was extremly cold too and no1 was complaining it was an attidude of respecting the ppl around you... lets hope the same attidue gets instilled in the irish smoking public.

yeah what a great idea throw more drunken people out onto the street on a weekend night out in Dublin City centre :rolleyes:

I always ask people if they mind if I smoke, even if they are smokers themselves.
I love, and by love I mean detest, these new facist laws that the government are developing by liasing with what seems to be 6th class civics project students for ideas.
They never think of the consequences socially. For example a young girl with her friends in a pub goes out for a smoke and ends up getting separated from her friends. I hate non smokers. :P

...and as for all of you non-smokers that say its damaging your health well..all I can say is I dont care..you're probably genetically programmed to drop dead when your 35 anyways or were burning up braincells sniffing glue when I was eating carrots and running around a football field, dont blame your bad health on me OK!!!!.../end rant.

ixoy

Originally posted by bug
yeah what a great idea throw more drunken people out onto the street on a weekend night out in Dublin City centre :rolleyes:

I always ask people if they mind if I smoke, even if they are smokers themselves.

Well you're polite, that's nice. The majority of smokers are not, particularly when drunk where they're more likely to shove their fist through your face.

...and as for all of you non-smokers that say its damaging your health well..all I can say is I dont care..you're probably genetically programmed to drop dead when your 35 anyways or were burning up braincells sniffing glue when I was eating carrots and running around a football field, dont blame your bad health on me OK!!!!.../end rant.

And that's the sort of caring, defense by smokers that warms my heart :rolleyes:

Victor

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
I used to be a barman. People (women in particular) regularily go psycho when drunk.

You are not meant to serve people when they are drunk, never mind when they are "psycho drunk".

Villain

Originally posted by Victor
You are not meant to serve people when they are drunk, never mind when they are "psycho drunk".

Without putting yourself in Danger;)

rymus

Originally posted by Ph3n0m
I am just curious on how it will be policed?

If need be, I'll make it my business to carry a stungun at all times and police the ban with that.

I can't bloody wait for this to come into effect! Having said that I'm fully expecting it to be once again delayed but a guy can hope I suppose.

My final thought on this matter is.. now that I'm living with 3 smokers, how might I go about arranging to have the house setup legally as a pub/restaurant?

Dustaz

Originally posted by bug

...and as for all of you non-smokers that say its damaging your health well..all I can say is I dont care..you're probably genetically programmed to drop dead when your 35 anyways or were burning up braincells sniffing glue when I was eating carrots and running around a football field, dont blame your bad health on me OK!!!!.../end rant.

You GO girl! Uh HUH!

Merc: I dont really drink there, but have been there to meet mates who do.

My point about the orchard is that the so called 'concerned' non-snokers dont sit in non-smoking areas or frequent non-smoking pubs when they opened. They clearly dont give a stuff about their health.

And that's the sort of caring, defense by smokers that warms my heart

But thats just it, However much i care about non-smokers, i care not a jot about anal retentive wannabe prefects like yourself who are creaming their little pants about the prospect of ringing the SMOKELINE to report the miscreants who break this law. I look forward to blowing smoke in your face as you enter and leave the premises.

PcP

Originally posted by ixoy
Well you're polite, that's nice. The majority of smokers are not, particularly when drunk where they're more likely to shove their fist through your face.

Sure, smokers are all a highly violent bunch just waiting to attack non-smokers at any opportunity... *sigh*

Originally posted by BuffyBot
Ireland, it's become such a dull place to live.

Indeed. I can just imagine Ixoy wandering around armed with his mobile set to dial teh smokeline. Get a hobby or something, I hear trainspottings all the rage these days...

Personally I'm not too fussed over the ban, I could do with cutting down and eventually I'll quit.
The attitude some of the non-smokers have is the only thing that annoys me (as displayed on this thread) - head up their own arses tbh.

ixoy

Originally posted by Dustaz
But thats just it, However much i care about non-smokers, i care not a jot about anal retentive wannabe prefects like yourself who are creaming their little pants about the prospect of ringing the SMOKELINE to report the miscreants who break this law. I look forward to blowing smoke in your face as you enter and leave the premises.

Dustaz darling, you're obliged to obey the law living in this country. I'd be merely peforming my civic duty reporting a premise (and it's the premise I'd report - not you per se) that's flouting the new legislation.

What gets my rag up is smokers, like yourself, who seem to relish in the pain and discomfort their actions cause. I've no problem with the many who are willing to adhere to the ban, and understand its reasoning. I do have one with the selfish few who choose to be so very passive aggressive about their habits, confrontational, and downright rude. The topic has been discussed ad nauseam earlier on in boards. We disagreed there and I think, shall disagree some more.... Thread on....

BuffyBot

The majority of smokers are not, particularly when drunk where they're more likely to shove their fist through your face.

A tad OTT... :rolleyes:

ixoy

Originally posted by PcP
Sure, smokers are all a highly violent bunch just waiting to attack non-smokers at any opportunity... *sigh*
Indeed. I can just imagine Ixoy wandering around armed with his mobile set to dial teh smokeline. Get a hobby or something, I hear trainspottings all the rage these days...

I was pointing out the fact that I have NEVER been asked by a smoker if I minded them lighting up.....

Oh I do have hobbies, I just really like the ban. It's my favourite ban ever.

ThreadKiller

Two old ladies were waiting for a bus and one of them was smoking a cigarette. It started to rain, so the old lady reached into her purse, took out a condom, cut off the tip and slipped it over her cigarette and continued to smoke.

Her friend saw this and said, "Hey that's a good idea! What is it that you put over your cigarette?". The other old lady said," Its a condom". "A condom? Where do you get those?" The lady with the cigarette told her friend that you could purchase condoms at the pharmacy.

When the two old ladies arrived downtown, the old lady with all the questions went into the pharmacy and asked the pharmacist if he sold condoms. The pharmacist said yes, but looked a little surprised that this old woman was interested in condoms, so he asked her, "What size do you want?". The old lady thought for a minute and said, "One that will fit a Camel!"

Mercury_Tilt

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PcP

Originally posted by ixoy
I was pointing out the fact that I have NEVER been asked by a smoker if I minded them lighting up.....

Well, first you insinuated we are all ignorant and/or violent. Then you stated you have no problem with most, just the ignorant few. I'm starting to think that its you "who seem to relish in the pain and discomfort their actions cause", to use your own terms.
The ban isn't the problem for me, the people putting themselves on a pedastel (sp?) above others is. The ban will come into effect one way or the other. The holier than thou approach to smokers will only make it more difficult on everyone imho.

BuffyBot

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
Just out of interest.. before this ban.. what was your favourite ban?

Do you have a top three?

ROFL Classic!

ixoy

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
Just out of interest.. before this ban.. what was your favourite ban?

Do you have a top three?

Probably if I thought about it! I'd have to think about it - such things are always clearer to me when I'm hungover and bitchy, as I was earlier. Prohibition in the USA - there's one for ya....

ferdi

come on....





...you know you want one...

Agent Smith

Originally posted by BuffyBot
Ireland, it's become such a dull place to live.

what you mean "becoming"

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by alienhead
i've heard this argument a few times. v stupid.

yes it would be stupid. why not see the post directly above yours RE: city centre driving :rolleyes:
prior to your post i had already acknowledged a mistake in my previous post

Karl Hungus

Now, far be it from me to make some kind of idiotic generalisation about smokers, but I am certainly in favour of this proposed ban.

And it stands, I tend to get Chest Infections rather easily, and I'm really effected by smokey bars/nightclubs. The effects of which can indeed be long lasting. I've often enough been hocking up lumps of phlegm for days afterwards after a night out somewhere particularly smokey.

A number of my friends who happen to be smokers, are very polite about it, and are quite considerate. I've never been asked 'Do you mind?' however, I do beleive that's a crock of ****, and no smoker is going to going to put away the fags if someone says "Yes, I do mind". But generally most of my m8s who smoke are considerate enough to move the ashtray out from under my face, or hold the cigarrette in the other hand away from me.

I'm also thinking that a lot of the anti-smoking people on this thread are full off ****. Honestly, who cares if your clothes stink of smoke!? I know that if I'm out on the piss some night, my clothes go directly into the basket that night! I'd certainly not be wearing the same clothes the next day, or even days... and anyone here who says they would, you're a filthy ****er!

I'm in favour of the ban for my own health's sake. Having to cough up lumps of crap for days after a night out isn't my idea of fun. And while my friends are considerate enough about their smoking, the majority of smokers in pubs would blow smoke in your face if you asked them "Do you mind?".

There wouldn't be need for a ban if it wasn't for arseholes like these, an ignorant, inconsiderate and downright spitefull attitude that Dustaz personifies to a T:

I look forward to blowing smoke in your face as you enter and leave the premises.

To Dustaz, and the like, I say to thee "You've only yourselves to blame."

Dustaz

Originally posted by ixoy
Prohibition in the USA - there's one for ya....

Another well thought out and logical ban......



Last night i went to a pub to watch the ireland - brazil match. It was a large well ventilated place that had a few different (large) sections. I sat down at a table with some friends, all of whom smoked. We were sitting beside 3 other tables of smokers and when the barman came over to collect our glasses, HE was having a smoke. Why this pub couldnt be divided into smoking and non-smoking i will just never know.