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  • 06-02-2004 11:15pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭


    This adds a whole new dimension to the "when does life begin?" debate. I just don't know how to answer this.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/02/06/story132964.html
    Operation due on baby born with second head
    06/02/2004 - 10:06:47 am

    A team of surgeons made final preparations today to operate on a Dominican infant born with a second head, a risky surgery that doctors say they believe to be the first of its kind.

    Led by a Los Angles-based neurosurgeon, the medical team planned to spend about 13 hours today removing Rebeca Martinez’s second head, which has a partially formed brain, ears, eyes and lips.

    Eighteen surgeons, nurses and doctors were to take several rotations to cut off the undeveloped tissue, clip the veins and arteries and close the skull of the seven-week-old girl using a bone graft from another part of her body.

    “The head on top is growing faster than the lower one,” said Dr Jorge Lazareff, director of paediatric neurosurgery at the University of California at Los Angeles’ Mattel Children’s Hospital. “If we don’t operate, the child would barely be able to lift her head at three months old.”

    Dr Lazareff said the pressure from the second head, attached on top of the first and facing up, would prevent Rebeca’s brain from developing.

    CURE International, a US-based charity that gives medical care to disabled children in developing countries, is paying for the surgery. The agency funds the Centre for Orthopaedic Specialities in Santo Domingo, where the surgery was to be performed.

    The operation is risky because the two heads share arteries.

    “When the doctors come out and tell us it’s all OK we’ll be filled with happiness,” Rebeca’s father Franklin, 29, told The Associated Press.

    Doctors say if the surgery goes well Rebeca will not need physical therapy and will develop as a normal child.

    Twins are born conjoined at the head when an embryo splits to make identical twins and then stops growing, leaving them fused. Such twins are rare, accounting for one of every 2.5 million births.

    Parasitic twins like Rebeca are even more rare. They occur when one stops developing, leaving a smaller, partially formed twin dependent on the other.

    Rebeca is the eighth documented case in the world of craniopagus parasiticus, said Dr Santiago Hazim, medical director at the Centre for Orthopaedic Specialities.

    All the other documented infants died before birth, making it the first known surgery of its particular kind, according to Dr Lazareff and the other doctors.

    Mr Martinez and his 26-year-old wife, Maria Gisela Hiciano, say doctors told them Rebeca would be born with a tumour on her head but none of the prenatal tests showed a second head developing.

    Although the second head is only partially developed, its mouth moves when Rebeca is being breast-fed.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Facinating.

    Mike.

    *and a bit yucky*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭Specky


    It would be interesting to have a debate with "pro-life" supporters about this one. How do you decide the rights of "the head"? Clearly it will die once seperated. Is it an individual or is it a part of the other child? Where is the "me" in a person? Is it in the brain? If it is then these are two individuals both with the right to life....that's if you take the black and white pro-life stance anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Originally posted by Specky
    It would be interesting to have a debate with "pro-life" supporters about this one. How do you decide the rights of "the head"? Clearly it will die once seperated. Is it an individual or is it a part of the other child? Where is the "me" in a person? Is it in the brain? If it is then these are two individuals both with the right to life....that's if you take the black and white pro-life stance anyway.

    Christ Specky, give us a break! ;)

    I just heard that the op went well...here the link
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3464491.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/3467963.stm

    EDIT- Bad news the baby has just died. No link yet.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭Specky


    Poor little bugger :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭ykt0di9url7bc3


    :(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    Isn't it actually two heads or babies with one body?

    Of well, just another example of how mother nature isn't all sweetness and niceties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    :(
    Originally posted by simu
    Isn't it actually two heads or babies with one body?
    Essentially it's a matter of conjoined twins where, one of them failed to develop. Conjoined (Siamese) twins are identical twins that failed to separate fully. Identical twins come from the one one embryo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 650 ✭✭✭dr_manhattan


    "It would be interesting to have a debate with "pro-life" supporters about this one."

    Haha, bet it wouldn't ;-)

    terrible, terrible thing to imagine: I mean, being the child, having the child, losing the child... whoa.

    Hope life never decides to test me at quite THAT level, ahem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 448 ✭✭Agent Orange


    Jaysus.

    Can you imagine the doctor's reaction when she was born...

    "Congratulations, here it comes, it's a beautiful baby ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHH"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I spoke to a doctor friend and his impression was there were two lives and an ethical decision was taken to take one life to attempt to save one, rather than inevitably loose both.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭df001i6876


    THE old saying is 2 heads are better then one ? And now theres none .These doctors should have left it well alone untill they learn more. But they keep trying giny pigs. :confused: Is not easy to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Not as simple as that. If you had seen the photo, the second head was twice the size of the first and growing at a quicker rate. Sooner rather than later it would have broken the neck (babies' neck are already a weak point).


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