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FAMOUS or INFAMOUS

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  • 17-01-2004 11:59pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭


    Is it better to be Famous or Infamous?

    I ask this and pose this point......

    In sixty years time who will remember Mary McAleese? (Famous)

    On the other hand, who will ever forget Hitler? (Infamous)


    I'm very interested to see replies to this.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭phreak


    if you were someone like Hitler would you like to be remembered?

    i wouldn't call Mary McAleese famous... doubt many people outside ireland know who she is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    OK,

    Gerhard Schroeder or Hitler?


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    i would prefare to be infamous



    its the infamous people that go down in history


    I.E
    we all will rememer osama bin laden but who remembers the person who discovered the cure for smallpox


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    I think it was a guy called Jenner that found the cure, dunno where that came from probably Junior Cert History....


    I would also love to be infamous...

    it will happen!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭tman


    i'd rather live on in the hearts of people who have experienced "the bone" than live on through infamy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Originally posted by agent smith
    we all will rememer osama bin laden but who remembers the person who discovered the cure for smallpox
    People with an education.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    Originally posted by The Corinthian
    People with an education.

    This is a good point!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    Id much rather be unknown than be remembered for the kind of things Hitler will be remembered for.

    Flogen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭TheSonOfBattles


    We're all gonna die and be forgotten eventually. It's just a matter of time. Even if people remember your name in a thousand years, they won't be mourning you, you'll either be just another name, or a set of experiences no one liked.

    Sadly infamous people are remembered long after famous people, but do you want to be remembered for some thing so bad people use you as an example of what NOT to do. Of how NOT to live your life.

    More than likely, 100 years after I die no one will even know I existed, and while this makes me sad, it's just another part of life. Death is after all the only surety. So either get busy living, or get busy dying to quote a film I can't remember the name of :dunno:


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    great infamous soccer players :cruyf(sp) maradonna best

    famous soccer players :Just fontaine

    these are all greats but way more people know and respect cruyf maradonna and best than fontaine. Im leaving PELE out becasue he destroys my argument. So im just going to say he's an exception becasue he was the greatest ever.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    Originally posted by Big Ears
    great infamous soccer players :cruyf(sp) maradonna best

    famous soccer players :Just fontaine

    these are all greats but way more people know and respect cruyf maradonna and best than fontaine. Im leaving PELE out becasue he destroys my argument. So im just going to say he's an exception becasue he was the greatest ever.


    One of the better examples was left out...what is George best?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    Originally posted by flogen
    Id much rather be unknown than be remembered for the kind of things Hitler will be remembered for.

    Flogen


    What about all the good things Hitler did?

    (I am serious)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭BKtje


    if you were someone like Hitler would you like to be remembered?

    Well if you were someone like Hitler you would like to be remembered for what you did as he thought he was right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭rymus


    Originally posted by agent smith
    we all will rememer osama bin laden but who remembers the person who discovered the cure for smallpox

    Edward Jenner. If you don't count all those milkmaids though. I'm not even going to get into that now... back on topic.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I'd rather be rich and anonymous

    But infamy is relative - most war heros - and is a subset of fame. What is the point of wanting to be infamous if no one knows you ?

    [edit] Jenner didn't do anything with milkmaids - IIRC it was a small boy..


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭Woden


    but if your really famous not mary mcaleese famous you will be remembered just as much as if you where infamous. take einstein for example


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Originally posted by VERY_board
    One of the better examples was left out...what is George best?

    when the word best came after maradonna i assumed people would know im talking about geoerge best and not maradonna being the best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    Good point there


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭phreak


    Originally posted by B-K-DzR
    Well if you were someone like Hitler you would like to be remembered for what you did as he thought he was right.

    touché


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 Turkey


    Errrr, good things that Hitler did.
    Somehow I do not think the building of a few hundred kilometers of motorway can be stacked up to amongst other tallys of victims, the killing of 10 million Russians and 6 million Jews, and that tiny temper tantrum known here as the Emergency, and more correctly, worldwide as World War 2.



    If infamy is the price of fame, I think it's too high.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭TheSonOfBattles


    Actually Hitler did a lot of good things in a round about way. If he hadn't started World War II then there would have been no push by countries such as America to quickly develop arms. The development of arms and defences in both WWII and the Cold War that followed is what developed the computer. If it wasn't for Hitler it might be another hundred years before computers were invented and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    It's still to high a price, but he did have a good effect in a weird way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    Hitler did alot more than build motorways, but we won't get into that on this post.
    I think infamy is underrated in the grand scale of things.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Exit


    He hardly set out to do those things.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Exit


    On topic, neither of them are all that appealing. When you're dead, you're dead and whether people remember you or not won't matter at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    Originally posted by Exit
    On topic, neither of them are all that appealing. When you're dead, you're dead and whether people remember you or not won't matter at all.

    It will for your family who can scam money out of random book writeres and film/tv producers in the future, no?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Johnny_the_fox


    Originally posted by VERY_board

    What about all the good things Hitler did?

    The Voltswagen and the Autobahn?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Exit


    Originally posted by VERY_board
    It will for your family who can scam money out of random book writeres and film/tv producers in the future, no?

    Yes, but whether you're famous or infamous won't matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Originally posted by Johnny_the_fox
    The Voltswagen and the Autobahn?
    "If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable [as Hitler] to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations?" - Winston Churchill, Great Contemporaries, 1937

    Aren’t we all such geniuses with the benefit of hindsight? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭VERY_board


    Originally posted by The Corinthian
    "If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable [as Hitler] to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations?" - Winston Churchill, Great Contemporaries, 1937

    Aren’t we all such geniuses with the benefit of hindsight? :rolleyes:

    there is no denying hitler's genius surely?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Originally posted by VERY_board
    there is no denying hitler's genius surely?
    I wasn't commenting on Hitler's genius or lack thereof.


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