where to get married?

MrNuked

Where would be a nice place for a small non-religious marriage ceremony in Ireland?

Oriel

For some reason the first thing that came into my head was dingle :rolleyes:
Then Achill Island

Depends, what kinda thing are you looking for?

MrNuked

Something like that.

unforunately it appears that we have to get married in the office of the registrar of civil marriages which is just bollocks to be honest.

D!ve^Bomb!

wots the difference between non religious and religious ceremonys

I don't see the point in getting married if you don't believe in Religion.


I'm totally un-religious, but if I was to ever get married it would defo be in a nice church.

KlodaX

but if I was to ever get married it would defo be in a nice church.

:dunno: ... for someone who isn't religious... what the hell is a nice church??

... utility_ ... sometimes the slimfast adds make more sense than you....

hedgetrimmer

powerscourt waterfall..

u can have non-religious ceremonies in churches now, btw

KlodaX

why in a church then? why not somewhere else?

Originally posted by KlodaX
:dunno: ... for someone who isn't religious... what the hell is a nice church??

... utility_ ... sometimes the slimfast adds make more sense than you....

Uh...a church that looks nice perhaps?

I'd want a full blown classic wedding, as opposed to some registry office fiasco...

MrNuked

"I don't see the point in getting married if you don't believe in Religion."

-my fianceé is American and sorting out work visas for her here, and maybe for me there is a pain. That's not the only reason though. Don't have to believe in religion to want to marry someone.

"I'd want a full blown classic wedding, as opposed to some registry office fiasco..."

-We intend to get married in America as well in a bigger service sometime in the future. Over there you can get married wherever you like. In Ireland you can only get maried in churches or registry offices, unless you are severely incapacitated.

"powerscourt waterfall.."

-good idea if it was possible!

"wots the difference between non religious and religious ceremonys"

-non-religious ceremonies mean you aren't married in the eyes of the church, that you don't have to have a priest/minister to marry you. We would not want a religious marriage for ideological reasons.

SAXA

Been to a few weddings in Franciscan Friarys and such.
Some of them are fantastic when they are all done up
Not sure how you get permission though

Victor

Originally posted by MrNuked
In Ireland you can only get maried in churches or registry offices, unless you are severely incapacitated.

I'm not sure if this is still the case - the law has changed / is changing to allow anywhere (within reason*) to be used.

* Not sure of the exact phrase, but essentially somewhere that respects the seriousness of the cermony. I suspect a hotel would be OK, but not a bar. Obviously the place would need to be suitable for a gathering of people also.

Sleipnir

Originally posted by utility_
I don't see the point in getting married if you don't believe in Religion.

Tax purposes :rolleyes:

daveg

Originally posted by utility_
I don't see the point in getting married if you don't believe in Religion.


I'm totally un-religious, but if I was to ever get married it would defo be in a nice church.

Talk about contradicting yourself.

uberwolf

Originally posted by Victor
I'm not sure if this is still the case - the law has changed / is changing to allow anywhere (within reason*) to be used.

I thought I'd heard this a while back too...

Originally posted by daveg
Talk about contradicting yourself.

how, may I ask?

Tax purposes

Kananga, if you're getting married for tax reasons then strap yourself right on in and get prepared for a shít life! woohoo!

chernobyl

The little village i grew up in: Inistioge in Kilkenny.

Some pictures here: http://www.beaverbrookgolf.com/

Picture perfect place.

ai ing

Best way to find out your options would be to contact your local registrar and have a chat with them. Sure that they could tell you


http://www.oasis.gov.ie/relationships/marriage

or
http://www.groireland.ie/getting_married.htm

Thorbar

Is un-religious a word?

Maybe the church where your parents married would be a nice place to get married. Sorta keep the tradition going.

loyatemu

there was a proposal last year to allow civil ceremonies to take place outside of registry offices (eg in stately homes, hotels, peoples gardens etc) - this is already allowed in the UK

afaik the legislation hasn't been brought in yet so you are still stuck with the choice between a church or a registry office, or you could go abroad.

embee

Originally posted by utility_
Kananga, if you're getting married for tax reasons then strap yourself right on in and get prepared for a shít life! woohoo!

Completely agree with utility_ here... to get married for tax purposes is pretty stupid.

Victor

Originally posted by embee
Completely agree with utility_ here... to get married for tax purposes is pretty stupid.

Not necessarily. While the income tax bit is hardly worth the hassle, for inheritances or other capital transfers it can make sense, as there is no tax at alll on transfers between spouses.

In certain limited cases this makes huge sense - e.g. two unromanticly linked friends, where one wants to support the other and / or the other's children.

Agent Smith

Originally posted by Kananga
Tax purposes :rolleyes:

/me runs off to find a bride

memphis

Personally I'd like to have a full bown traditional wedding in a church, but I think we've all established that you don't want that.

Why not have a sevice in a Hotel function room, its not unheard of. I worked in a hotel near Dungarvan, Waterford some summers back and I remember a couple having a nice small gathering (can't remember the exact figures) in the upstiars function room.

Why not pick a spot, ask around in a few hotels and see what happens. As for the permission and sh!t, I haven't a clue about that! I'm sure the hotel could answer those questions for ya ok.

memphis

Slutmonkey57b

You only have 2 options:

A religious ceremony which can be held in a church, a hotel, or (possibly) outdoors.

A non-religious ceremony which can ONLY be held in a registry office.

Civic registrars cannot officate anywhere outside the registry office - during a religious ceremony the registrar oversees the legal signing of the marriage register but does not officiate. In theory you could make up your own ceremony and hold it wherever you wanted but a) you couldn't get a registrar to come out to it and b) you'd have to have a ceremony in the office anyway.

My advice is take it to britain where you'll find much nicer places to get married, and the civil service over there is a lot more efficient too. At the moment your intended place of marriage has to apply (or posess) a special licence for holding marriages but once this is in place you're sorted. Some regisrty offices are actually part of historic town halls/meeting places/civic offices and such over there so you won't necessarily have to discount the notion of the registry office because you don't want to be stuck in an 80's prefab with MDF furniture and 70's light fittings like you would be here.

Having found somewhere, though there are a few Cons: Legally you have to have your notice of intent to marry up for a few weeks so that the locals can object. You must have a booking with the registrar for a specific date. You must legally be *staying* in the area if you are not a british national - you have to give them an address where you claim to be living and naturally someone who will be there to answer on your behalf should the phone ring and you happen to have nipped down to the shops in... dalkey temporarily. After a grace period they then issue the licence for a specific date and you can take the licence and use it anywhere in the UK, after you notify the local registrar. There's lots of info on the web - most local councils even have a list of all their licenced locations, best bet is to find somewhere you like the look of, phone them up to see what they need, and then make a few appointments to visit them.

Victor

Run off to Gretna Green* and elope!

* First village in Scotland across the border from England.

Mocking Burd

Originally posted by Victor
Run off to Gretna Green* and elope!

* First village in Scotland across the border from England.

That's exactly what I'd do! Hassle free - with a week away in a nice castle in the Highlands afterwards....

Mocking Burd

Originally posted by Victor
Run off to Gretna Green* and elope!

* First village in Scotland across the border from England.

That's exactly what I'd do! Hassle free - with a week in a castle in the Highlands afterwards.....

loyatemu

to follow up my earlier post:

"there was a proposal last year to allow civil ceremonies to take place outside of registry offices "

there was an article in saturday's Irish Times saying this legislation is to be brought in this year and that civil ceremonies will be allowed pretty much anywhere so you might want to wait and see what happens.

Victor

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/2362409?view=Eircomnet

Major reform of marriage law proposed
From:ireland.com
Saturday, 17th January, 2004

A massive increase in penalties for irregularly contracted marriages is being proposed as part of a major reform of the laws in this area. Paul Cullen reports.

People who give false information when marrying could face fines of up to €10,000 and/or imprisonment of five years, under proposals from the Government's Inter-departmental Committee on Reform of Marriage Law.

Existing fines vary between €10 and €50. The committee is also proposing universal civil preliminaries for all marriages, whether they happen in a church or not, and it has approved earlier proposals that will allow couples marry at a location of their choosing.

This provision, which will apply so long as the location is public and no food or alcohol is served during the ceremony, will be made law by amendments to the Civil Registration Bill, which comes before the Dáil in the next few weeks.

At present, Catholic marriages must take place in a church, which are not required to be licensed. Other religions must apply for a licence. The committee wants to replace the current register of venues with a register of people entitled to solemnise marriages. However, it acknowledges this may present legal difficulties.

Existing laws on the location for marriages are unduly restrictive and facilities at county registrars' offices - the only permissible location for civil marriages under existing laws - are inadequate to meet growing demand, the committee says.

Current residence requirements are based on a "Victorian premise" that people were born and married in the same district.

"This is no longer the position. Society has become more mobile and the current residence rules impose an artificial burden on couples intending to marry."

Some people who wish to marry outside their own area are unable to do so, according to anecdotal evidence cited by the committee.

"As a result of changes in society a residence requirement is no longer workable and unnecessarily bureaucratic."

It also criticises the rules for marriage licences as complex and not easily understood by marrying couples and even by those issuing the licences.

It says the current requirement to give three months' notice should be strengthened.

All those intending to marry will have to attend personally together at the registrar's office, produce identification and make a formal declaration that they are free to marry.

If the couple, their witnesses or their solemniser are not fluent in the language of the marriage ceremony, an interpreter must be employed.

Concern is expressed about the number of people seeking exemption to the three months' notice rule. Between 2000 and 2002, 3,350 applications for exemption to this rule were made to the Circuit Court, of which over 90 per cent were approved.

The committee says it aims to create a common framework and standard set of formalities for marriage and to treat all religions, and people of no religion, equally.

Marriage law in Northern Ireland has already been reformed. Since January 1st, new laws mean that someone residing in the North will no longer be able to service notice of marriage on a registrar in the North for marriage in the South.

The committee recommends that the Government ratifies the United Nations Convention on Marriage, but should enter a reservation in relation to an article which states that in exceptional circumstances a marriage can go ahead in the absence of one of the parties. The committee says both parties to a marriage must be present for the ceremony.