"ladies go free"

Treora

Boo rahhh.

13/01/2004
Irish Independent
Ladies-in-free nights not fair on men, watchdog rules

THE COUNTRY'S night club owners have conceded that ladies' nights in discos, where women get in for free, are a thing of the past following a decision by the Equality Tribunal.

In a landmark ruling, an equality officer found that a night club discriminated against a Clareman on grounds of gender.

He had been asked to pay Eur6.35 entry fee to a Limerick night club on the same night that women were being allowed in for nothing.

Thomas O'Connor was asked to pay into the Icon Nightclub in Limerick on May 3, 2001. He said he complained to the doorman of the club that it was unfair and discriminatory that he had to pay while females were not charged.

At the time, the nightclub had a policy of free entry for women on Thursday nights up to 1am.

The equality officer ruled in his favour and ordered that he be offered free entry to the night club for seven nights of his choice.

From now on, where the practice (a throwback to the disco days of the 1980s) is still in evidence, nightclub owners will be sure to set about re-examining their admissions policies.

Robbie Fox, owner of Reynard's nightclub in Dublin and spokesman for the Irish Nightclubs Owners' Association, said he believed the days of the "ladies go free" were over as times, and the legislative framework, have changed considerably in recent years.

Since the introduction of the Equal Status Act, an argument such as that made by Mr O'Connor could always have been made, he said.

"It's sad and true that we will have that argument every time," said Mr Fox, adding that the Equal Status Act had made huge differences to night club owners.

"I don't think there's a way around it. As far as that issue is concerned, ladies' night is a thing of the past," he said.

While he could understand the logic of having a nightclub full of girls - as this would be sure to attract males - times had changed, and this could work the other way around, too, he said.

While the Equality Officer in the Limerick case found that a compensation award would be appropriate, Mr O'Connor said money was not the issue at stake and that he had agreed with the nightclub that he would settle for just Eur10 in compensation.

Mr O'Connor said he had taken the case to raise awareness of the issue of discrimination and highlight the fact that men could suffer from it.

oneweb

About bloody time an' all! Hopefully this'll halve the cost of entry, though I have my doubts.

(Wrong forum btw - maybe After Hours would be better?)

Treora

IThe thread was posted here as a pun on accessibility and interpretation of Irish equality legislation.

Amz

Moved to After Hours

(Sorry Monty/FANJ if this is wrong forum)

sparkite

about bloody time.women get free in and then scab free drinks off guys they have no interest in and then walk off when they get the drink! what about the whole idea of bouncers refusing entry with the excuse "not tonight lads"

ixoy

Hurrah! Always irritated the hell out of me - it was like "We want equal rights. Except when it suits us." Fcuk off with that - it's the 21st century. Had no time for it.

I applaud the ruling!

seamus

Originally posted by Treora
While the Equality Officer in the Limerick case found that a compensation award would be appropriate, Mr O'Connor said money was not the issue at stake and that he had agreed with the nightclub that he would settle for just Eur10 in compensation.

Fair dues. There's a lot of scumbags out there who would have pushed for a lot more than the cost of two pints.

Tbh, I haven't seen a ladies in free night in Dublin in a couple of years.

bizmark

about f-ing time

Villain

Now all we need is for car insurance to follow suit.

blondie83

Hardly anywhere ever did that anyway. I only ever got into a place twice in my life for free, for being female. It's just one of these overhyped things cos it pisses guys off so much!

xx

About shagging time, another welcome step towards equality!!!

DUX

They are talking about this in this very moment at the "Adrian Kennedy Show" on radio FM 104 ..... just to let you know :-)

ur mentor

Does this mean guys now have to pay for gf? before they could get in free?!:D
this is a victory? looks like the night club owners are winning again. any chance they may reduce entry fees now that everyone is paying in? not likely!

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by ur mentor
any chance they may reduce entry fees now that everyone is paying in?

maybe on Planet No Chance but free for ladies seems to be dying out anyway. havent seen or heard of it in ages

Faust

One more step toward getting them back in the kitchen!

robbie1876

The equality officer ruled in his favour and ordered that he be offered free entry to the night club for seven nights of his choice.

I'd take 7 nights in the joy any day.....

Commissar

Originally posted by Treora

Ladies-in-free nights not fair on men,

Solution-For every ladies free night have a guy's free night.:D

GreenHell

He had been asked to pay Eur6.35 entry fee to a Limerick night club on the same night that women were being allowed in for nothing.

IKON in Limerick crap hole.

Cabaal

About bloody time, this is something that has always pissed me off when I went out to nightclubs (especially) on thursday nights.

po0k

Originally posted by irish1
Now all we need is for car insurance to follow suit.

Hasn't it already?
Thought they'd raised the womens quotes to balance off with the mens somewhat?

Commissar

Originally posted by SyxPak
Thought they'd raised the womens quotes to balance off with the mens somewhat?

To be honest I don't understand what people are complaining about on this thread. How did ladies free night affect them anyway?
It sounds like a case of sour grapes to me; "if we don't have it why should they?"
:dunno:

Trojan

Originally posted by Commissar
To be honest I don't understand what people are complaining about on this thread. How did ladies free night affect them anyway?
It sounds like a case of sour grapes to me; "if we don't have it why should they?"

It's about the principles of equality, not anything as base as "sour grapes"..

There is a lot of anti-male sexism these days, and would not be tolerated were it directly at women - I'm always glad to see stuff like this get called.

Al.

b3t4

Originally posted by Trojan
There is a lot of anti-male sexism these days, and would not be tolerated were it directly at women

Then do *something* about it.

This guy fair duce to him got up off his a$$ and went to court about it.

There is so much complaining on this thread but *nobody* that was pi$$ed off did anything, what on earth do ye expect.

Be proactive...

A.

Camille

I agree that the "ladies free" nights are a complete anachronism - but tbh u never see them anymore, except perhaps in some country towns. As for the quip about girls "scabbing free drinks"- that IS sour grapes! Nobody forces a guy to buy a girl a drink, and even if they do what do they expect in return? Do they seriously think a bacardi breezer will buy them a night of shagtastic passion?

SheroN

? Do they seriously think a bacardi breezer will buy them a night of shagtastic passion?

Yes, or at least a handjob anyway.

Faust

Originally posted by Camille
I agree that the "ladies free" nights are a complete anachronism - but tbh u never see them anymore, except perhaps in some country towns. As for the quip about girls "scabbing free drinks"- that IS sour grapes! Nobody forces a guy to buy a girl a drink, and even if they do what do they expect in return? Do they seriously think a bacardi breezer will buy them a night of shagtastic passion?

It does! They're all like cheap hoookers meh says!

Camille

So girls should really beware of those guys who buy them a Long Island Iced Tea.

Faust

Originally posted by Camille
So girls should really beware of those guys who buy them a Long Island Iced Tea.

No... they should beware of eh being really easy.

Camille

Girls who have sex for the price of a drink....bet there's soooo many.

dictatorcat

Hurrah! about time.
Does this now mean that men can go to "women only" strip shows and vice versa? And what about ladies only toilets? maybe finally we can find out what they talk about when they go in groups!

Trojan

Originally posted by b3t4

There is so much complaining on this thread but *nobody* that was pi$$ed off did anything

Pointing out an obvious fact is not the same as making a complaint.

I'm not concerned enough about the issue to take action, and won't be inspired to do so as a result of your command. The fact that I don't take action does not deny me the right to comment on the issue.

It's ironic that your rant is giving out about people not taking action, when the thread is about someone who did just that.

Al.

angelofdeath

three cheers for mr. o'conner, i hate women who go on about lack of equality and then can go out and not spend a cent just leechin of guys all nite, equality? nah, they've got it better than guys:dunno:

Camille

Originally posted by angelofdeath
three cheers for mr. o'conner, i hate women who go on about lack of equality and then can go out and not spend a cent just leechin of guys all nite, equality? nah, they've got it better than guys:dunno:

Fair play to the guy alright, but this had nothing to do with women going on about lack of equality - just some guy pointing out a case of discrimination against men.

Tommy Vercetti

sure there's no ladies in Limerick anyway, I don't see what all the fuss is about

Victor

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/2351237?view=Eircomnet

Two women barred from pub because they were 'too old'
From:ireland.com
Thursday, 15th January, 2004

Two women were refused admission to a Limerick bar because of their age, the equality tribunal has found. Julie-Anne Barnes reports.

Ms Suzanne Crawford (29) and Ms Margaret Crawford (36) were refused entry to The Bootlegger Bar when door staff told them they were "too old" and management wanted "younger women and older men" as customers.

The two women were awarded €300 each in compensation.

The tribunal issued 15 decisions yesterday which were made under the Employment Equality Act 1998 and the Equal Status Act 2000.

The director of the equality tribunal, Ms Melanie Pine, published the 15 decisions, nine (involving 16 people) under the Equal Status Act 2000 and six under the Employment Equality Act.

Mr Derek Kelly, who has Down's syndrome, was also found to have been discriminated against by Kelly's Lounge in Bray, Co Wicklow.

Mr Kelly's drink was taken from him and he was told to sit with his mother. The decision was made on grounds of disability.

It was accepted that the treatment of Mr Kelly was wrong and the respondent apologised for the incident.

Kelly's Lounge was ordered to invite Mr Kelly, his mother and four others to visit the pub and provide two free drinks each. Mr Kelly was also awarded €250 in compensation.

A restaurant was ordered to provide complimentary Sunday lunch to Ms Melanie Curtis and three people of her choice when it was found she had been discriminated against on family status grounds.

Ms Curtis was asked to leave the Barn Restaurant (Lotamore Ltd), Cork because she had an eight-month-old baby with her.

Of the six employment case decisions, two were upheld and four were not.

Both cases were upheld on grounds of gender.

Tesco Ireland was ordered to pay a female member of staff the same rate of pay as that of her male colleagues from February 13th, 2001, plus arrears in payment for three years prior to her claim.

Ms Mary Ginley was found to have been discriminated against when she was paid less than two male colleagues doing the same work.

Another case involved a woman who had been sexually harassed by a colleague. She was awarded €15,000 in compensation. The respondent was also ordered to review its policy in dealing with complaints of sexual harassment.

The equality tribunal was established in 1999 to hear complaints of unlawful discrimination under the Employment Equality Act 1998 and the Equal Status Act 2000.

There are nine grounds of discrimination: gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race and membership of the Traveller community.

Anyone who feels they have been discriminated against unlawfully can refer a claim to the tribunal free of charge.

SheroN

like in melins in waterford last year they were sued...because they wouldn't leave some guy in for wearing sandals...yet they left loads of bints in wearing sandls.....

Nightclub Cartel 0
Ordinary Joe Soap 1.....

Victor

Originally posted by Camille
Nobody forces a guy to buy a girl a drink, and even if they do what do they expect in return?

Polite (or impolite if she's into it) conversation for the duration of the drink.

Kold

Originally posted by Camille
I agree that the "ladies free" nights are a complete anachronism - but tbh u never see them anymore, except perhaps in some country towns. As for the quip about girls "scabbing free drinks"- that IS sour grapes! Nobody forces a guy to buy a girl a drink, and even if they do what do they expect in return? Do they seriously think a bacardi breezer will buy them a night of shagtastic passion?

If the girl has absolutely no interest then she shouldn't accept the drink. Tbh, don't be such a fcuking stuck up pikey. A guy buys a girl a drink because he is interested, the acceptance of this drink suggests that she is also interested. Fair enough if the guy turns out to b a complete tosswit but if she has no interest JUST SAY "NO". If so, buy your own goddamned drink.

Agent Smith

Originally posted by SyxPak
Hasn't it already?
Thought they'd raised the womens quotes to balance off with the mens somewhat?

yeah..... in a million year's



am 18 and got quoted €14,500 per year by a well know insurance company



i wont say but remember.... you safe in the hands of *********

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by agent smith
got quoted €14,500 per year by a well know insurance company

WTF are you planning on driving? a fighter jet?

DriftingRain

One more step toward getting them back in the kitchen!

hehehe! I'll not get into the kitchen!

I actually am suprised a lawsuit hasn't gone on about this in the US. We still have plenty of bars that do this at least once a week. But in return they also have a guys night too! :rolleyes:

Polite (or impolite if she's into it) conversation for the duration of the drink.

Yes...thats whay I do.

~DR~

bizmark

quoted €14,500 per year by a well know insurance company

jesus you must be trying to insure a fecking iowa class battleship for that kind of money

The Brigadier

2 points...

1. The only nightclubs I have seen in Ireland offering a "Ladies Night" have been scumholes...

2. I have often met guys in pubs, and you buy him a pint, he buys you a pint, you talk about the weather and thats it. You enjoy each others company. I would not let a bloke I met in a pub buy me drinks all night. It is rude and ignorant.

By the same token, if I buy a girl a drink in a bar, that does by no means entitle me to ANYTHING. A girl though, who flirts to get drink bought for her is also acting wrongly, plain and simple. But then those sorts of girls I would'nt go near anyway...

Kold

Originally posted by James Melody

2. I have often met guys in pubs, and you buy him a pint, he buys you a pint, you talk about the weather and you wake up the next day with a sore bum and no recollection of the previous day

Caesar_Bojangle

Originally posted by sparkite
about bloody time.women get free in and then scab free drinks off guys they have no interest in and then walk off when they get the drink! what about the whole idea of bouncers refusing entry with the excuse "not tonight lads"

This reminds me of the time when I was out with group of mates and this slut came over to our table and managed to coax my overtly gullible friends into buying her ten or so drinks. Our table was becoming clustered with empty glasses as the night wore on. To be horror - well more to be amusement, I noticed a pint glass full of sick seated at the edge of the table. I was getting sick of her antics, the way she was so obviously playing my mates for fools. So when she went off to the toilet I poured about half the pint glass of sick into her pint of bulmers. She was so drunk that when she came back she drank the whole glass of bulmers lumpy sick mix straight. True story.

BEAT

You guys are so stupid, ya go ahead and laugh but now you have to pay twice as much to get in because you have to pay for your date. Geesh, think about it...women are still winning out in the end and men are getting the blunt end of the stick. That's what ya get for trying to be slick I guess, and now you are Literally paying for it muah ha ha ha ha ha
(it was our master plan all along ya know, make you think we were getting off easy by getting in free to piss you off enough to go and have the rules change, and even when the rules change we are getting in free but now you get stuck with the bill hahahahahahaha)
Silly male ego pffftt

:ninja:

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by BEAT
You guys are so stupid, ya go ahead and laugh but now you have to pay twice as much to get in because you have to pay for your date

haha, silly presumptious female

oh wait

Caesar_Bojangle

That's what ya get for trying to be slick I guess, and now you are Literally paying for it muah ha ha ha ha ha

Enjoy labour, woman, mu ha ha ha ha. PAIN!

phoenix2181

Sin Just off Dame St Still have a ladies free before 12 policy on some nights

Big Ears

qucik some1 complain about them. You never know u could get 7 nights free into the place and 10 euro/or more

Kold

Lol was out last night n my mate started chatting up these girls, he was like would ye like some drinks? Then he asked me for money and i laughed in his face. I aint buying some girls I don't know and aint particularly interested in a drink