Drunk Drivers to get special Yellow Plates with Red Letters .

spongebob

In Ohio .... story Here

Great idea IMO . Then you can stay well clear of them. Every car in the household gets it too.

It would be most useful if skangers who steal cars are made use them for life ....after they are let out of course. Yer average skanger would wear them as a badge of pride no doubt.

M

Samson

I wonder what the tolerance level is?

The state's new drunken-driving law takes effect Thursday. It calls for all offenders who are permitted to keep driving to display special license plates until their normal driving privileges are restored.

ixoy

What if it's a family car? The Dad drink drives but the Mum is attached with the same stigma when she drives her Drunk Driver car out and about the place...

Cabaal

Originally posted by ixoy
What if it's a family car? The Dad drink drives but the Mum is attached with the same stigma when she drives her Drunk Driver car out and about the place...

True and as bad as that is for her it'll certainly get the Dad in the family to cop himself on and get his act together.

It'll only have to affect a hand full of people in such a way before it'll get the majority of people to cop on.
Anyway everyone will have plenty of notice of such a scheme coming into practice.
Lets hope it'll happen here.

Redshift

It's a good idea in theory but I don't know about the putting the plates on every car in the household no matter who it belongs too, seems a bit harsh to me especially when you think how often you would be pulled over by the cops when they see the yellow plate.

seamus

Originally posted by Redshift
It's a good idea in theory but I don't know about the putting the plates on every car in the household no matter who it belongs too, seems a bit harsh to me especially when you think how often you would be pulled over by the cops when they see the yellow plate.

It's the only way, since in the American system, anyone can drive any car (no compulsory insurance), so it's more than likely, in fact it's a certainty that the drunk-driver would drive one of the other vehicles instead of his/her own.

Tough, but if it's going to humiliate their families, people may cop on.

Eurorunner

I dont think this is necessary here when you consider that a drunk driver will not even get insurance here anyway.

Furthermore, i certainly wouldnt agree with other car owners in the household having to be tared n' feathered also - they havnt broken any laws - if your over 18, you take responsibility for your own actions - nobody else should have to.


Even at that stage, i'm still not convinced its the way to go. If we're going to go down the road of public humiliation, then there are many more who should equally be subjected to this type of thing. Should we have convicted crims who have done their time badged upon release..., etc., etc.'

Faust

Originally posted by Eurorunner
I dont think this is necessary here when you consider that a drunk driver will not even get insurance here anyway.

Furthermore, i certainly wouldnt agree with other car owners in the household having to be tared n' feathered also - they havnt broken any laws - if your over 18, you take responsibility for your own actions - nobody else should have to.


Even at that stage, i'm still not convinced its the way to go. If we're going to go down the road of public humiliation, then there are many more who should equally be subjected to this type of thing. Should we have convicted crims who have done their time badged upon release..., etc., etc.'

If people who have commited crimes are badged it's kind of hard for them to get jobs and try to live a normal life though and it ruins the whole rehabilitation thing. But it would be a good idea for repeat offenders i suppose...

Exit

Originally posted by Eurorunner
Furthermore, i certainly wouldnt agree with other car owners in the household having to be tared n' feathered also - they havnt broken any laws - if your over 18, you take responsibility for your own actions - nobody else should have to.

Exactly. Everyone's assuming it'd be a parent who does the drink driving. What if you've got a little scumbag son/daughter or brother/sister?

Sarky

I approve. The risk of public ridicule and the reaction of family who get tainted by association could be a fine deterrant.

Eurorunner

If people who have commited crimes are badged it's kind of hard for them to get jobs and try to live a normal life though and it ruins the whole rehabilitation thing. But it would be a good idea for repeat offenders i suppose...

Absolutely - thats why i'm not in favour.

padraigmyers

Only in the US could an idea so ridiculous become a law. Its a stupid way to deal with it. If the person is caught drunk-driving then they should be put off the road. Maybe people who speed could get blue plates, and people who double-park could get green ones....

The fact that everyone in the house needs to be punushed for the crime makes it an unresonable to enforce. If my car gets a yellow plate cos my housemate got cought drunk driving, there is no ****ing way that is staying on there.

This is a stupid idea, which sounds resonable in theory, but would be a joke in practice.

Faust

Originally posted by padraigmyers
Only in the US could an idea so ridiculous become a law. Its a stupid way to deal with it. If the person is caught drunk-driving then they should be put off the road. Maybe people who speed could get blue plates, and people who double-park could get green ones....

The fact that everyone in the house needs to be punushed for the crime makes it an unresonable to enforce. If my car gets a yellow plate cos my housemate got cought drunk driving, there is no ****ing way that is staying on there.

This is a stupid idea, which sounds resonable in theory, but would be a joke in practice.

Only if your housemate also uses the car, because otherwise he would be able to drive aorund in that car and not be tagged. And its not that stupid its a good deterrent.

Eurorunner

And its not that stupid its a good deterrent.

Its an unreasonable deterrent. ...and you would soon see it as such if you were on the receiving end of it - despite having done no wrong.

Shred

I think it's an excellent idea. Most people who drink and drive have the attitude of "ah, I won't get caught", never considering that they might actually injure/kill someone. But if they have to consider that others will be directly affected by their stupidity (which they already are anyway) they might actually think twice.

It's all very well saying people who drink and drive should be simply put off the road, but there's nothing to stop them taking a chance of driving even if they're already banned (I know of people who already do this). However, if their car is tagged they can't get away with it so easily.

If the government here wanted to put legislation through for this, they'd have my backing.

Faust

Originally posted by Eurorunner
Its an unreasonable deterrent. ...and you would soon see it as such if you were on the receiving end of it - despite having done no wrong.

So drink driving is'nt wrong?

Exit

He's talking about if somebody in your family committed the offence, but you were still left with the license plate, despite having done nothing wrong.

Eurorunner

@Faust : Exit has clarified the point i was making.

@Shred: Just supposing this was law and this evening someone in your household was caught DUI, do you still say this is a good law?

Faust

But lets say if the whole family thing was taken away would it be a good idea then?

Eurorunner

At least in the form your now suggesting, innocent individuals dont get punished for no good reason.

I still dont think its the way to go but thats just my opinion. Would this be done from the point of view of previous offenders being more visible to the gardai or would the public humiliation be the main objective of it?


I dont think it would be in any way effective in any event as cars with these plates simply wouldnt be driven. Doesnt mean to say that the offender cant get his hands on the use of a vehicle with clean plates anyways.

Faust

I'd say the person would have to go for check ups now and then to make sure they are using the plates and when have people been rich enough to leave their cars lying around unused?

Shred

Eurorunner, I understand what you're saying but I'd like to think that someone I lived with would respect me enough not to put me in that position.

Really what I'm talking about is this being implemented in a familly household, not a shared house/flat whatever. Although, if someone I lived with did put me in that position I'd just move out - I wouldn't want to live in the same house as them after they did something like that to me.

Short of it: the fact that they have to consider that their family/friends would also be affetced *might* make them think twice about doing it in the first place.

seamus

Originally posted by Eurorunner
I dont think it would be in any way effective in any event as cars with these plates simply wouldnt be driven. Doesnt mean to say that the offender cant get his hands on the use of a vehicle with clean plates anyways.

There are too many cops in America, with nothing to do. Most offenders of this nature would be caught. Especially in small towns and villages.

I'd say the person would have to go for check ups now and then to make sure they are using the plates and when have people been rich enough to leave their cars lying around unused?

They may have to present the car at the local copshop every so often, but obviously what's to prevent them switching plates beforehand?
As I said, insurance isn't compulsory in the US, and by God they don't pay VRT. Friend's mechanic brother bought a car for $50 and fixed it up to drivable condition after spending $100 in the local scrapyard. Any offender could get their hands on a car for nothing. After all, what's $500 compared to complete humiliation?

As for the spouses/family/household car thing, I'd have no problem with it, so long as the owner of any other vehicle in the house could sign an affidavitt promising to never allow the other person to drive their car. If they're caught driving it, instantly they can be arrested for grand theft auto. That could bring up some issues however with spouses, and who owns what etc...

Victor

Originally posted by Eurorunner
I dont think it would be in any way effective in any event as cars with these plates simply wouldnt be driven. Doesnt mean to say that the offender cant get his hands on the use of a vehicle with clean plates anyways.

Hence doing every plate in the household. And if you don't want to be tarnished with the brush aimed at your son, then kick him out.

Eurorunner

Hence doing every plate in the household. And if you don't want to be tarnished with the brush aimed at your son, then kick him out.

I see the logic but theres no justice in it. Penalising the innocent by association makes for a poor law.

Lump

Good Idea, here here TBH.


John

Redshift

I don't know about all states but in most of them the licence plate is issued to the individual driver I.E. if you sell you car and buy a new one you take your plates off your old car and put them on you new car. So surely it would be easy just to tag the offenders plate.

BuffyBot

Eurorunner, I understand what you're saying but I'd like to think that someone I lived with would respect me enough not to put me in that position.

Hmm, I don't know - not with that "ah I'll be fine, I wont get caught" attitude most people have :dunno:

padraigmyers

If this was just a few months later I's assume it was a April Fools stunt, the fact that it isn't and so many of ye seam to agree with it worries me. Simple fact is that anyone who is caught drunk-driving should be put off the road and when they are allowed back on, they should be allowed drive a "clean" car with normal plates. Once the punishment had been served then there should't be a silly tag following you around, you should be allowed learn from your mistake and sart again. If getting put off the road isn't a good enough punishment, then this silly badge of shame won't be either.