Suggestion for Careers board

Oriel · 01-12-2003 2:52pm #1

Hello,
I was searching Boards for a certain career that I'm looking into at the moment, but couldn't find any mention of it, careers, or the "path ahead" at all.

Seeing as there loads of younger people on boards (most users in fact), I think that it might be a good idea to create a Careers board where people can get information/advice on certain careers that s/he may be interested in, and people who are actually in those jobs can reply etc. The only thing I can find close to this is the "Work" board in "Classifieds", but it doesn't appear to be suitable there at all. Of course, people can decide to change jobs at any stage of their life, so this could be of use to everybody.

Just a thought. A simple yes/no would do for an answer.

Cheers,
Sinecure.

Victor · 01-12-2003 7:04pm

Put it under Education?

GuanYin · 01-12-2003 7:15pm

I wonder if people who are interested in a career/college course in a certain area aren't more suited to post in a forum related to that area, where more people would see it, rather than a dedicated forum.

ie. If was interested in a career in web development, I would imagine I'd getter more/better responses in the webmaster/Flash board.

The big problem with this is, you would be relying on somebody reading an extra board, whereas all those with an interest in the area would, theoretically already be reading webmaster/flash and you should get more varied responses there.

Oriel · 01-12-2003 7:53pm

Syke,
Things is, there is only a limited range of "careers" in the list of given boards. What if somebody wants to ask questions about what it's like to work for the civil service, or be a pilot, or a dentist etc. It's OK going of the usual modern IT stuff, as there's quite a lot of that going on at the moment, but it's the rest of the other stuff that people would have difficulty finding.

Victor,
Hadn't thought that far ahead. I'd say education would be a decent enough place to put it. Either there or Society I guess, as it would be dealing with peoples' day-to-day interactions etc.

Sure, we'll see what people think.
Sinecure

yellum · 01-12-2003 9:10pm

Education would be a good location for this board idea. It is as you say different to the remit of the Work board under Classifieds but I guess on some issues they'll have duplicate content, but theres nowt wrong with that.

pebble · 01-12-2003 9:25pm

Originally posted by Sinecure
Hello,
I was searching Boards for a certain career that I'm looking into at the moment, but couldn't find any mention of it, careers, or the "path ahead" at all.

Well, unless you are loloking into a career in Quake, English Lit, Home Entertainment or Green issues, I fail to see where you are going to learn about a 'certain' career from any forum on this site.

Originally posted by Sinecure

Seeing as there loads of younger people on boards (most users in fact), I think that it might be a good idea to create a Careers board where people can get information/advice on certain careers that s/he may be interested in, and people who are actually in those jobs can reply etc.

3 points.
1) Most people in their mid twenties don't know what they want to do as a career, let alone those who are still playing CS.
2) How is a 'career' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?
3) The Work forum already provides this function.

Originally posted by Sinecure
The only thing I can find close to this is the "Work" board in "Classifieds", but it doesn't appear to be suitable there at all.

why?
At what point does it fail? It would be very helpful to get feedback on what people think should be added to various forum to improve them. Surely this would be more beneficial than starting up yet another forum?

Originally posted by Sinecure
Of course, people can decide to change jobs at any stage of their life, so this could be of use to everybody.

And again, the Work forum already caters for this. I'm not entirely sure why a new 'careers' forum will be needed.

I'm all for new forums that are either interesting or useful, however, I am not a fan of creating a forum for the sake of creating a forum. There is already a forum that provides exactly what you are talking about. It isn't just a forum to provide details on P45's and lunch breaks, it already deals with people who are changing their work path. People have already asked for adviced, and recieved it, on numerous details to do with work.
The forum you have suggested is just an integrated part of the work forum already, and I don't think there is enough traffic to support another forum.
After all, take a look around at all the empty forums with dust balls blowing through them. Forums created but not enough interest to sustain them.
However, you could just rename the work forum to Work\Careers

Oriel · 01-12-2003 10:01pm

Originally posted by pebble
Well, unless you are loloking into a career in Quake, English Lit, Home Entertainment or Green issues, I fail to see where you are going to learn about a 'certain' career from any forum on this site.

Isn't that just my point?

1) Most people in their mid twenties don't know what they want to do as a career, let alone those who are still playing CS.

I doubt that. True, a lot of people don't know what they want to do until later in life. But does that mean that everybody else will have to do without? Also, like I said the fourm would be for people of all ages - it's not just the younger people starting a new career. For example - there are a hell of a lot of people giving up whatever job they're in to become a taxi driver nowadays for some reason (just an example).

2) How is a 'career' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?

That's like saying "How is a 'Travel' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?"
It would be specifically about careers for which there is no similar boards already existing.

3) The Work forum already provides this function.
At what point does it fail?

Current Subjects in "Classifields/Work": "IT Buzzwords needed", " EBAY in Ireland, where?", " Criminal record" etc are hardly the place for career-specific advice.
There is a very big difference about seeking help on whether or not your boss is entitled to fire you because you came in 5 minutes late from lunch (exaggerated example), and looking for advice on something that could remain important to you for the next 40/50 years. Also, why is the "Work" forum in "Classifieds"? Would that not suggest that it is for people offering jobs? This is where it fails,

I am not a fan of creating a forum for the sake of creating a forum. There is already a forum that provides exactly what you are talking about.
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I don't want a forum to be created for the sake of it either. It is only a suggestion after all. I just think that a lot of people could benefit from a forum on this topic. My previous comments would suggest that I feel that the Work Classifieds forum would not be a suitable place for this. If the two forums were to be merged, then I think that they should be removed from Classifieds and placed elsewhere, but again, I think they are two different fields completely.

Do people think there would be enough traffic for a board like this?

Sinecure.

pebble · 02-12-2003 8:00am

Originally posted by Sinecure

Isn't that just my point?

No. It isn't.

Originally posted by Sinecure

I doubt that. True, a lot of people don't know what they want to do until later in life. But does that mean that everybody else will have to do without? Also, like I said the fourm would be for people of all ages - it's not just the younger people starting a new career. For example - there are a hell of a lot of people giving up whatever job they're in to become a taxi driver nowadays for some reason (just an example).

And funnily enough, there has been advice asked, and given on becoming a taxi driver on the work forum. I used the example of CS player as young players because you mentioned younger people.

Originally posted by Sinecure

That's like saying "How is a 'Travel' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?"
It would be specifically about careers for which there is no similar boards already existing.

Lets use your own analogy here.
You want to start a forum about staying in package holidays.
Someone tells you that there is already a a travel forum.
You tell them that package holidays isn't really travel.

You want to start a career forum.
I someone tells you there is already a work forum.
You tell them that a career isn't really work related.

I'm confused!

Originally posted by Sinecure

It would be specifically about careers for which there is no similar boards already existing.

What careers?
Do you want to have a forum for how to be a taxi driver?
another on becoming a butcher?
perhaps you can have your own whole directory with many many sub-directories for each career?
You see, I'm still confused as to what you want?
Do you want many forums for each career, or do you want one forum to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them? Surely that forum already exists?

Originally posted by Sinecure
Current Subjects in "Classifields/Work": "IT Buzzwords needed", " EBAY in Ireland, where?", " Criminal record" etc are hardly the place for career-specific advice.
There is a very big difference about seeking help on whether or not your boss is entitled to fire you because you came in 5 minutes late from lunch (exaggerated example), and looking for advice on something that could remain important to you for the next 40/50 years. Also, why is the "Work" forum in "Classifieds"? Would that not suggest that it is for people offering jobs? This is where it fails,

Why is this not a forum for career questions?
Because you don't like some of the posts in the forum already?
You are correct, there are big differences between asking about being late for work and what you want to do in the future. However, I completely fail to see why there should be a seperate board.
As for why work is under the classifieds banner, I don't know. You'd have to ask DeVore or one of the admins. While you are at it, ask why Weather is under After Hours (surely we have weather all day long!), Counter-Strike is under games, and why Collectables is under Society.

Originally posted by Sinecure

I don't want a forum to be created for the sake of it either. It is only a suggestion after all. I just think that a lot of people could benefit from a forum on this topic. My previous comments would suggest that I feel that the Work Classifieds forum would not be a suitable place for this. If the two forums were to be merged, then I think that they should be removed from Classifieds and placed elsewhere, but again, I think they are two different fields completely.

I'll be honest, you haven't actually given many reasons why there should be a seperate forum. You have mentioned the fact that you don't like the topics currently on the forum, and apparently the elitest posts of careers refuse point blank to mix with the proletariat scum of the 'Work' posts.
You have said that the work forum doesn't belong in the classified section. Perhaps DeVore and the Admins will consider moving it to somewhere more relevant like the Society directory?
And your only other argument is that you feel that careers and work aren't related.

Originally posted by Sinecure

Do people think there would be enough traffic for a board like this?

No. and you know why?
Because if I was looking at going into a certain career, I would expect to know quite a lot about it. I wouldn't turn around someday in my thirties and say to myself 'Hey, you know what, I think I will change career. Maybe someone on Boards.IE can tell me all about flying a plane.'
If I was curious about it, I'd probably post on After Hours asking about flying in general, or I'd go to a dedicated flying site. And if anyone asked on the work forum about something like that, and no-one gave an answer, I'd probably advise them the same, because no-one knows everything about everything.

In the end, if I was changing career, I'd go and get professional advice, and this is what you are suggesting with a careers forum. The work forum still covers it.

amp · 02-12-2003 9:49am

What pebble said, and I'm bored of people coming up with new definitions of existing forums because they either want to be mod or don't like the content of the existing forum.

Oriel · 02-12-2003 7:36pm

Well, my advice to you then would be to get the Work board moved out of Classifieds and placed somewhere more appropriate.

And for the record, I have absolutely no intention of being a mod, I wouldn't have the time nor patience for it. I was merely suggesting that this board be considered. And Amp, it's not that I "don't like" the content of the work forum, I just feel that it deals with different issues completely.

GuanYin · 03-12-2003 9:01am

Surely as a board user who reads the work board, it is, in part, up to you to post on a board the type of topic you would like to see (so long as its not against the charter).

I mean in alot of cases science could be called the "Google Reply" board but I wouldn't suggest a specific board for "orginal science opinions" - its up to me as a poster, to post the type of topic I want to see from other people, hoping they will follow suit.

You can't be spoon fed everything people.....

amp · 03-12-2003 10:02am

Originally posted by Sinecure
Well, my advice to you then would be to get the Work board moved out of Classifieds and placed somewhere more appropriate.

And for the record, I have absolutely no intention of being a mod, I wouldn't have the time nor patience for it. I was merely suggesting that this board be considered. And Amp, it's not that I "don't like" the content of the work forum, I just feel that it deals with different issues completely.

Blah blah. Answer pebbles points.

DeVore · 03-12-2003 1:24pm

If the work-mod is happy I'd say put it under "Work".

"Work" has a very old but very weird history on Boards. It was created because people would post in the Quake board about stuff in their work place (when there WAS only the quake board!). So we created Work and Afterhours.
Its kinda grown (under the mod's keen eye) and blossomed a bit when it should probably have been stillborn.

I'd be ok with renaming Work to Work / Careers just to prompt people a bit more but I'd like to hear what the mods think too.

DeV.

WhiteWashMan · 03-12-2003 4:23pm

Dev, what do you mean put it under work?
what?
the work board, or a careers board?

I have no problem with the work forum being renamed to work and careers, and in fact i recall a few years ago i suggested that we add training into it as well. although that eventually turned into the college board or something

however, the work forum in its current incarnation already deals with advice on careers in a modest way, but as already said, boards.ie is not the place for people to take life changing career advice from. its a place where people can already get an idea, or perhaps get some pointers in a direction that may help, encourage or inform.
Careers are extremely specific in nature, and the information about them is as well.
there is no way that boards could provide such specific information.
but what can be done is to tell someone that xxx website can tell them, or that a local library can help.
i think the work board already does that.
however, maybe work could be moved out of calssifieds, because it was not really meant to act as a place for people to advertise job placements. thats something that i have cultivated.
on the other hand, we could allow agencies to post up jobs that they have on their books, but i would then post this under commercialism and i would get them to pay a monthly fee for the privilage

of course, you could make a whole seperate sub directory with me as admin, and we could add careers boards and training boards, adn then you would have to add the education sub directories as well.
oh yes my preciousss.....

amp · 03-12-2003 4:38pm

Originally posted by DeVore
If the work-mod is happy I'd say put it under "Work".

"Work" has a very old but very weird history on Boards. It was created because people would post in the Quake board about stuff in their work place (when there WAS only the quake board!). So we created Work and Afterhours.
Its kinda grown (under the mod's keen eye) and blossomed a bit when it should probably have been stillborn.

I'd be ok with renaming Work to Work / Careers just to prompt people a bit more but I'd like to hear what the mods think too.

DeV.

The year is 2006. The "Work / Careers / Temping / Recruiting Agencies / P45.net / Interviews / Moving to UK / Redundancy" Forum gets renamed back to Work.

President George Bush Jr sends in the military to "restore vital US interests".

Oriel · 03-12-2003 6:04pm

Originally posted by Sinecure

Just a thought. A simple yes/no would do for an answer.

Heh, so much for that :-)
Anyways folks, like I said - just a suggestion, I'll leave it with ya.

/Sinecure exits.

amp · 03-12-2003 6:26pm

It doesn't quite work like that Sinecure. A forum must go through many sarcastic and scathing attacks before it makes the big time. Otherwise we'd have many, many stupid forums that there's no need for.

Victor · 03-12-2003 9:30pm

I concur with WWM, Accommodation / Property also sits uncomfortably in Classifieds with as many people posting "waaah, my landlord kept my deposit after I burnt down the house" posts as actual wanted / available posts. At times I even have to spam it with articles to keep it alive.

Should the be a Real Life (TM) group of boards with Accommodation / Property, Work, A/M/D, B/E/F and Commuting / Transport ?

Suggestion for Careers board

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