For the two people left on this planet who haven't already seen it yet....

Oswald Osbourne

.... or if you just want to see it again cos it's great, Bowling for Columbine is already making it's terrestrial TV debut - on Channel 4 next Saturday at 9pm.

quank

that whoops ass tbh, very good watch

mewso

It is good but it's nice to know the corners that were cut in the making of this doc. Bit like me losing faith in Oliver Stone when I saw that proggy about JFK. Why can't these guys who speak with a voice I like to hear do so with more integrity?
This link has been posted before but in the interest of helping all to know the truth:-

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Gunther_Gloop

Moore's tactics are full of the same slanted bigotry (just pointing in the opposite direction) as what he claims to be fighting against.

For a really good (and fun) book in the same vein as Moore's books try Al Frankens' "Lies and the Liars to Tell Them".

-Kevin.

smiaras

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Calibos

Did anyone check Michael Moores site?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

Terminator

Went to both links and changed my mind about Michael both times. Michael wins. :ninja:

Venom

Originally posted by musician
It is good but it's nice to know the corners that were cut in the making of this doc. Bit like me losing faith in Oliver Stone when I saw that proggy about JFK. Why can't these guys who speak with a voice I like to hear do so with more integrity?
This link has been posted before but in the interest of helping all to know the truth:-

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Interesting read but just aint true. Top marks to them for trying tho.

sceptre

Watching it now. Didn't realise it was going to be funny as well (for anyone else watching it, the bit just before the adverts where the guy with a 44 under his pillow tells him that there should be controls on weapons grade plutonium because "there's whackos out there:D)

weemcd

i think he got the entertainment and information just enough funny moments without making a joke of the situation, it shocked me the amount of gun crime in america, and some of the guys on that show were nuts, i liked the guy who was unawere or Gandi, that made me laugh (i suppose i spelt Gandi wrong lol)

blondie83

I can't believe there is over 11000 gun deaths in the US every year, while Britian had something like 68. I mean they must realise there's something wrong there!

pucan

Yeah moores reply sounds convincing only he doesn't reply to any of the points raised in the earlier link, staging the protest, misleading etc etc.

lodgepole

Originally posted by pucan
Yeah moores reply sounds convincing only he doesn't reply to any of the points raised in the earlier link, staging the protest, misleading etc etc.

I wish I had saved a response I made to that link whenever it first serviced last year.

While many of the points prove that Moore has a bias (which he does), most of them point out normal documentary techniques. Their discussion of the Charlton Heston speech is a case in point...

Another point they make, regarding the gun crime figures... They prove that he exagerated them (he didn't base them on the size of each country). What they don't point out is that even with his exagerations removed, the figures in the US are ridiculously high.

They go into how he misrepresented Boeing by claiming they made missiles in Flint, i've rewatched the scene countless times and still can't figure out how they worked that one out.

They say "Bowling for Columbine is dishonest. It is fraudulent".

They're wrong. It's merely biased.

I should add that i'm not a particularly big fan of the film or of Moore, but I do think it was one of the most important made last year and that it most certainly isn't packed full of lies.

pucan

Originally posted by Lodgepole
They go into how he misrepresented Boeing by claiming they made missiles in Flint, i've rewatched the scene countless times and still can't figure out how they worked that one out.

i don't think thats what they said.
it say's nothing in the article about missiles. But in mick's website he replies to a claim ( which i haven't seen anywhere) that the plant in littleton doesn't make WMD's. Which technically it doesn't but it does construct the missiles.
But my point was that Moore doesn't reply to any of the points brought up on
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html .
I'm not sure which is true but either way the documentery whether misleading or not still poses some interesting questions and raises some important issues. You may not like his politics but he's a passionate filmmaker/writer.
plus his old tv show "TV Nation" was great. anyone remember crackers?

Venom wrote:

Interesting read but just aint true. Top marks to them for trying tho.

What are you basing that on?

Venom

Originally posted by pucan
Venom wrote:

What are you basing that on?

Based on the facts Iv read on his site (Moore's) along with others not to mention that if he (Moore) had made such wrongful claims then both the NRA and some of the other organisations he has upset in that movie would have there lawyers on him in a flash to sue him for slander/libel.

pucan

its hard to sue someone if the only infer something and not don't outright state something. so you're convinced by micks answers to questions no-one asked.

*not trying to start arguement, just i think its an interesting topic.

Alpha Male

Originally posted by musician
... Bit like me losing faith in Oliver Stone when I saw that proggy about JFK. Why can't these guys who speak with a voice I like to hear do so with more integrity?
...

Oliver Stone is a motion picture director NOT a documentary maker, therefore he doesn't have 100% truthful but he has to be artistically creative and IMO he is.