nice matrix review

CyberGhost

i read a review on yahoo, very interesting i must say

http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/dfrv?mid=1808402448&rvid=255-69646&i=0&spl=0&nn=1&ys=KFeTwQWn2OSuUC6HGKh0QA--

the only thing that i didn't get is, isn't Neo a human? how the hell there can be a 6th version of him? was he sleeping or was he being sent back to the "coma", if he was where was Morpheus then? he rescued him 6 times? can someone explain all this version thing? if the matrix has been reset 6 times, this means that Morpheus and everyone with him have been captured 6 times

DMT

The five "Ones" before Neo, were completely different people to Neo.

CyberGhost

waaaa? man now that is dokk......ly ok...ly.... never mind i'll enjoy the cgi

ixoy

Matrix builds up. Some people escape. Eventually one of these turns out to be the One. The One is just like a label so it could be applied to anyone - man or woman. It doesn't have to be Neo. Think of it like a really good job. So in the 1st itertion the One could've been someone called Bob, not Mr. Anderson. And so on until we have Neo now. The reason it's like a new Neo is 'coz the One is just another construct, so the core of the One - what makes it tick - is consistently being modified and updated. The outer shell though - the Keanu Reeves body - assumedly can warp and change with each renewal. I think. My head hurts....

DMT

What if The Kid (the only person to free themselves) is really The One, and Neo is mistaken as The One by everyone including The Oracle & The Architect - after all Morpheus says in the first film:

"When the Matrix was first built
there was a man born inside that had
the ability to change what he
wanted, to remake the Matrix as he
saw fit. It was this man that freed
the first of us and taught us the
secret of the war; control the
Matrix and you control the future."

Neo was unable to "remake the Matrix as he saw fit" although he did have extraordinary control over it, so perhaps The Kid who was able to free himself is really The One, and Neo is something different but perhaps more important, which is why he doesn't return to The Source.

Alternatively, perhaps it is the act of going to The Source that allows The One to "remake the Matrix as he [sees] fit"....

angelofdeath

very incitefull review, i especially liked the biblical comparisons to the characters, it really make sense:)

btw

quote: "When the Matrix was first built
there was a man born inside that had
the ability to change what he
wanted, to remake the Matrix as he
saw fit. It was this man that freed
the first of us ."and taught us
the secret of the war; control
the Matrix and you control the future

is thta quote right? i thought it was something like 'and taught us the truth, as long as the matrix exists we will never be free...'

and also this is something i have a problem with, if the man born inside freed the first people, ie morpheus, wouldnt that mean that there were two of The One in this incarnation of the matrix, neo and the guy morpheus is talking about, cos if the matrix resets itself how would morpheus know about this guy

ps. sorry if i havent explained that too well

CyberGhost

ixoy - thanks for explaining!


angelofdeath -

you mean like flashing morphs memory?

i think it all goes as a loop, and the one is getting stronger in every loop

angelofdeath

right but how does morpheus know about the first incarnation of the one, neo only found out about the matrix looping and being reset in reloaded

CyberGhost

well morpheus knew that there was the one, somewhere there, who freed the people but he didn't know there were 6 of them

BKtje

which is why he doesn't return to The Source.

I thought he did...at the end like when he 'died'. Wasnt he at the source? Just at the source in body rather than just in mind. Or am i reading sommet wrong

Good review btw

mooman_00

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
I thought he did...at the end like when he 'died'. Wasnt he at the source? Just at the source in body rather than just in mind. Or am i reading sommet wrong

Good review btw

i agree i think he went to the source at the end too, you know when he turned into really bright gold code as they carried him away.

LFCFan

Originally posted by DMT
What if The Kid (the only person to free themselves) is really The One, and Neo is mistaken as The One by everyone including The Oracle & The Architect - after all Morpheus says in the first film:



Neo was unable to "remake the Matrix as he saw fit" although he did have extraordinary control over it, so perhaps The Kid who was able to free himself is really The One, and Neo is something different but perhaps more important, which is why he doesn't return to The Source.

Alternatively, perhaps it is the act of going to The Source that allows The One to "remake the Matrix as he [sees] fit"....

But the prophecy was made up so it doesn't matter what Morphius said.

DMT

Originally posted by mooman_00
i agree i think he went to the source at the end too, you know when he turned into really bright gold code as they carried him away.

That would explain the Oracle's comments about probably seeing him again. There's nothing definate about Neo's body being dead, so it leaves the way open for Keanu Reeves to return as Neo, either in a cameo/minor role or as star of another movie or for someone else to take over the role of The One - for instance maybe Neo now only exists in the matrix., his body being dead.

There's a lot of room for different possibilities....

projectmayhem

Originally posted by CyberGhost
the only thing that i didn't get is, isn't Neo a human? how the hell there can be a 6th version of him? was he sleeping or was he being sent back to the "coma", if he was where was Morpheus then? he rescued him 6 times? can someone explain all this version thing? if the matrix has been reset 6 times, this means that Morpheus and everyone with him have been captured 6 times

there isn't a sixth version of neo, there's a sixth version of the one. however, now humans have the choice to leave the matrix so there's a question over wether there'll be another "one"

DMT

Originally posted by LFCFan
But the prophecy was made up so it doesn't matter what Morphius said.

But The One before Neo would have helped rebuilt Zion and while he would have perpertuated the prophesy the part him being able to "remake the Matrix as he saw fit" would have been been knowldge passed down by those who saw him do it....

Ergo, in each incarnation of the Matrix, it appears that the One has freed himself and then freed "the first" of the Zionites. However, the only person to really do this is the Kid (assuming no one else did it in the previous version of the Matrix), so he fits the role of a real "The One"....

projectmayhem

Originally posted by DMT
Ergo

such a cool word

SweetBirdOfTruth

the one is the one infected by the oracle's programme to blance out imperfections in other parts of the matrix's programming, it's an anti-smith programme, but needs to run on a human. as the kid isn't explained in the trilogy (i really - like really hate the fact that the trilogy does not work on its own, but requires access to the add-ons) i don't consider him of much import (except as an annoying little ****, which he was. there will be another one for, by virtue of the fact that the matrix is imperfect, there will be another abberant smith-like programme who won't take the merovingian's route of prefering to rule in hell than in heaven.

(given the wild scope of the first film, that the whole trilogy boils down to a sort of paradise lost/paradise regained story is disappointing, lacking the vision that the first film suggested the brothers w had.)

angelofdeath

i hear a lot about this kid supposedly being the one, eh which kid are we talking bout?, the one in the original or in revolutions, em i didnt see any of the animatrix or play the game, is this where ya got the idea said kid is the real one

LFCFan

Originally posted by angelofdeath
i hear a lot about this kid supposedly being the one, eh which kid are we talking bout?, the one in the original or in revolutions, em i didnt see any of the animatrix or play the game, is this where ya got the idea said kid is the real one

The young Indian Girl that was with the 2 programmes in the station and at the end of the film she creates a mad looking sunrise for the new matrix.

El Marco

The last two are still boring tripe. Just because the story makes sense doesn't add to the fact they're really rubbush films.

CyberGhost

El Marco - i showed reloaded to my father yesterday, he fell asleep

i like revolutions though, the effects are awesome!

DMT

Originally posted by angelofdeath
i hear a lot about this kid supposedly being the one, eh which kid are we talking bout?

The Kid:



The Kid is the 16 year old who reloaded Captain Mifune's APU in Revloutions.

In the Animatrix - Kid's Story, The Kid is shown to be the only person to free themselves from the Matrix - no red pills necessary.

angelofdeath

oh right, i wouldve never guessed from watching revolutions that he'd play any major role in the story

CyberGhost

maybe the kid is the one, but man he is annoying!