Ban from Web Hosting

dahamsta

I've been banned from Web Hosting because of this post. I'd like to know why please.

adam

ecksor

Perhaps he felt you were a chronic pain in the arse. Did you PM The Corinthian?

dahamsta

Perhaps he felt you were a chronic pain in the arse.

Constructive commentary, as ever, from ecksor.

Did you PM The Corinthian?

Well, since he didn't PM me to tell me I had been banned or why, no I didn't. When he learns courtesy, I'll happily return it.

adam

DeVore

<dahamsta> You gonna bark all day little doggie or are you gonna bite.

<corinthian> *snap*

<dahamsta> OW! He fuckin' bit me!! Admins why did he bite me!?


corinthian should have PM'ed you but with the number of bitching/trolling/stirring "personalities" on that board I think he'd be all day writing them. I dont think you can claim he's biased, though, he's been banning left right and centre

DeV.

ecksor

Perhaps you could quote a news article for us on how to post constructively.

On the note of TC, talk to him or stay on your high horse. He doesn't owe you anything. I just wish he'd ban sposs and blacknight too.

DeVore

...and that concludes the party political broadcast on behalf of the Blunt As Fuck party.


DeV.

Hobart

Originally posted by dahamsta
I've been banned from Web Hosting because of this post. I'd like to know why please.

adam

Although it's quite funny, it's also quite sad.

Beruthiel

Originally posted by DeVore
...and that concludes the party political broadcast on behalf of the Blunt As Fuck party.

I wish to join this party
I find your agenda to be intriguing and for the first time, it would appear I have found a party which fills the void of my particular political ideals

dahamsta

On the note of TC, talk to him

I am. If there's a legitimate reason for a ban, shouldn't a moderator should be able to explain it in public?

or stay on your high horse.

What high horse? I'm on a high horse because I ask a quesion?

I just wish he'd ban sposs and blacknight too.

Sposs is a muppet, so yes. I feel Blackight is just silly for rising to Sposs.

adam

DeVore

Will Sposs and Blackknight ever get it together?
Will DaHamsta murder The Corinthian?
Will the web hosters ever stop trying to scratch each others eyes out?

TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR THE NEXT ENTHRALLING EPISODE OF:
The Web Hosting Forum.

I'm not helping here, am I....

DeV.

The Corinthian

Adam, if you want to scroll up from the post where I banned you, you’ll see you were given fair warning. If you don’t consider this as a legitimate reason then you have my sympathies, but I won’t be entertaining any further arguments from you.

I the last few months your criticisms and comments have degenerated from constructive to a downright nuisance. You seem to have adopted a God given right to complain, criticize, obstruct and just be a general pain in the ass. If you have a problem with how the board is moderated you should bring it up here with the Admins - however, to date you have done nothing other than bitch and snipe.

In short, while there is the possibility that you’re just trolling, my guess is you’re a crank. I’ve honestly come to the conclusion that you’re only posting on places like Boards because the national newspapers return your letters unopened nowadays. And frankly there’s enough muppetry on that board without entertaining yours.

Ba$tard

DeVore, you should lead by example.....BAN YOURSELF

ecksor

I think that boards will have to have a political party at some point as part of its natural evolution, but that's a few years off yet (unless they persist with e-voting which would do away with all that pesky canvassing).

dahamsta

Adam, if you want to scroll up from the post where I banned you, you’ll see you were given fair warning.

And if you want to scroll down to the post I replied to, you'll see that it was a reply to a post on the previous page. I hadn't seen your post when I was replying and I was banned by the time I got back to the thread. And as I mentioned, you didn't have the courtesy to PM to tell me I had in fact been banned, or the reasons behind it. I had to go back in a different browser to find your twisted logic.

If you don’t consider this as a legitimate reason then you have my sympathies

I very much doubt that, and no, I don't consider it a legitimate reason. Feedback /has/ been ignored, as evidenced by the utter lack of change on that board. The flame wars have been going on for months and /nothing/ has been done about it, apart from a few randomly-chosen bans for reasons that seem to depend on how funny or big it will make you feel.

If you have a problem with how the board is moderated you should bring it up here with the Admins - however, to date you have done nothing other than bitch and snipe.

I brought it up on the Web Hosting board in the hope that the moderation could be improved without having to bring it to the attention of the wider community. Obviously that wasn't working, so let me state it plainly: Your behaviour as moderator of the Web Hosting forum and your treatment of some posters - not just me - is personalised and biased. You're just not suited to moderating the hosting forum. The sooner you realise that and stand down, the better.

I’ve honestly come to the conclusion that you’re only posting on places like Boards because the national newspapers return your letters unopened nowadays.

Factually you're incorrect, because I only write to selected journalists that read and reply to my emails (I don't write many letters). Philosphically, you're just plain being an arsehole. There's a difference between calling someone's abilities as a mod into question and painting someone as a crank. Believe it or not, my intention was to improve the hosting forum. Your attitude to people trying to do that is just plain rude, something you seem to feel is a noble attribute.

adam

ecksor

Originally posted by dahamsta
And if you want to scroll down to the post I replied to, you'll see that it was a reply to a post on the previous page.

Replying on a thread when you haven't read all the replies is a sure way to generate noise. It's also poor etiquette, which I shouldn't have to tell a conscientious netizen such as yourself.

I very much doubt that, and no, I don't consider it a legitimate reason. Feedback /has/ been ignored, as evidenced by the utter lack of change on that board.

Or it could mean that your idea of improvement isn't shared.

Your behaviour as moderator of the Web Hosting forum and your treatment of some posters - not just me - is personalised and biased. You're just not suited to moderating the hosting forum. The sooner you realise that and stand down, the better.

This sort of outburst is out of line. I haven't seen anything on the Mod forum or the Admin forum about your opinions on this matter (although if we'd done nothing about them we'd have been guilty of ignoring you I suppose).

The Corinthian has my support.

Factually you're incorrect, because I only write to selected journalists that read and reply to my emails (I don't write many letters).

Who can find the time these days when spamming every bulletin board and mailing list in the country.

Philosphically, you're just plain being an arsehole.

Philosophically?

Is there any reason why I shouldn't ban you from this forum for that remark?

dazberry

Dahamsta, just ban The Corinthian from South and Windows. Bit of tit for tat banning

ModWars - "Dahamsta Strikes Back"

D.

dahamsta

The Corinthian has my support.

...

Who can find the time these days when spamming every bulletin board and mailing list in the country.

And you're not in the least bit biased. The problem here is that both yourself and The Corinthian have a problem with me because I fight my corner and you don't like to see people standing up to you. There's a word for that.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't ban you from this forum for that remark?

So calling someone a crank is ok but calling them an arsehole isn't? Banning just because you don't like or agree with someone seems to be par for the course today, so I suppose you'll do it anyway? And in much the same vein, I suppose it's ok for me to ban anyone I feel like from the forums I moderate?

[Dazberry, I thought of that earlier, but I'm not going to sink to that level. I'm serious here, I think this ban is totally uncalled for and I've genuinely had enough of TC's handling of the hosting board. My alternative is to just not visit there, but why the hell should I have to do that?]

adam

ecksor

Originally posted by dahamsta
And you're not in the least bit biased. The problem here is that both yourself and The Corinthian have a problem with me because I fight my corner and you don't like to see people standing up to you. There's a word for that.

It's like this. You've been a pest on Web Hosting, you got banned, boo bloody hoo.

Banning just because you don't like or agree with someone seems to be par for the course today, so I suppose you'll do it anyway?

No, you're out of order on this thread name-calling, passing judgement on Mods and demanding justice. Crank may not be a nice word, but 'arsehole' is definitely offside imo.

If our decisions/opinions go your way then we're doing the right thing, otherwise you're being persecuted and/or ignored, am I up to speed here?

dahamsta

It's like this. You've been a pest on Web Hosting, you got banned, boo bloody hoo.

The poster above you has been a consistent pest too. He's caused several of the flame wars recently with blatent trolling, yet he hasn't been banned because TC seems to think it's funny. Like I said, inconsistent, personalised.

No, you're out of order on this thread name-calling

Seems to be ok for everyone else?

passing judgement on Mods

It's against the rules to say someone's a bad moderator? Point that one out to me in the official Mods Charter there will you?

and demanding justice.

If justice is getting an unfair ban lifted, then so be it.

Crank may not be a nice word, but 'arsehole' is definitely offside imo.

I find "crank" extremely offensive. It's a personal attack.

If our decisions/opinions go your way then we're doing the right thing, otherwise you're being persecuted and/or ignored, am I up to speed here?

I won't even dignify that with an answer.

adam

scojones

At the start of this thread i laughed a little. But at the end i feel compelled to say "i'm on adam's side" which is what i am saying. HOWEVER i do feel that TC and ecksor are being a little bit biased. I think it's an old case of "Admins sit on the reds stools, everyone else sits on the yellow ones". if you catch my drift.

I still love you ecksor

Sposs

Originally posted by dahamsta
It's like this. You've been a pest on Web Hosting, you got banned, boo bloody hoo.

The poster above you has been a consistent pest too.

I agree

Atreides

From reading the above, and posts on the other thread, and allot of threads in general.

dahamsta: saying everybody else is doing it so why can't I, is no defence, and trying to releave your own wrong doings by pointing out others is also no defence. You probably deserved the ban, in the same way mainy others probably deserved the ban, but didn't get it. People are human and not perfect.

ecksor: Has no people people skills.

sposs's signature annoys me so I've blocked all scripts,gifs and flash animation. Also means I've blocked your nice banned adds.

Sposs

Whats my Signature got to do with Dahamsta being banned form the web hosting forum?

dahamsta

dahamsta: saying everybody else is doing it so why can't I, is no defence, and trying to releave your own wrong doings by pointing out others is also no defence.

I accept this Skanger and I usually try to avoid getting into this kind of petty flame war whenever possible. However this is an exceptional case: People have been trying to get the web hosting board changed for months now, and patience and considered discussion is simply not paying off. I've become impatient and intolerant because of this and although I don't like it, I'm not particularly regretful.

You probably deserved the ban, in the same way mainy others probably deserved the ban, but didn't get it. People are human and not perfect.

I don't think I did deserve the ban and I'd like to see it lifted but even if it is, that won't correct the underlying problem. This isn't a case of occasional human error, it's an ongoing problem with the hosting board that's been created by inconsistent and heavy-handed moderation.

ecksor: Has no people people skills.

Myself and ecksor have crossed paths in the past and (presuming I'm not banned outright) will cross paths again in the future. I don't think he particularly likes me and I don't have a problem with that as long as it doesn't transfer to his treatment of posters. I'm not sure that delineation is happening in this case.

adam

Atreides

You have an opinion and thats a dangerous thing. I've noticed certain people will always get a hard time off certain other people no matter what the situation, trying to explain why is point less. What you said was impolite and incosiderate. If the standard of decorum on the forum is such that these things would call for a ban then the moderator was right, otherwise he still has the right to ban you and you still have the right to call for a reprive. Anyother day, anyother forum you probably wouldn't have been banned. You probably wouldn't ban someone yourself for such comments, But I've learnt a long time ago that trying to hold others to your level of prefessionalism is only going to lead to disappointment.

Sposs your sig is designed purely to scare people who don't know better, which says alot about your own character, which was brought into the topic of discussion.

Sposs

Its the same sign as about 10 other users on boards , don't worry skanger it doesn't bite

Atreides

It also doesn't show up for me as I've it blocked.

dahamsta

What you said was impolite and incosiderate. If the standard of decorum on the forum is such that these things would call for a ban

I'm not sure if you're mixing the discussion here with the discussion on web hosting Skanger, and I notice that this is being discussed on WH too, so I want to clear up what this ban is all about in case people haven't looked. I was warned for this:

Happens every time. It's a cycle. Polite conversation, troll and/or pimping, flame war, suggested rule change, feedback ignored, rinse and repeat.

This refers to chewb's assertion that s/he thought things were going to change in the WH forum. The problems have been going on in that forum now for months yet no changes have been made. TC suggests that changes haven't been made because any time the problems come up for discussion, the threads descend into flamewars, which is entirely correct.

So ok, maybe the feedback isn't being "ignored", but it certainly isn't being acted on. Isn't the different rather trite? And is the suggestion that feedback was being ignored really all that impolite or inconsiderate? Plus of course it's important to add that if TC is going to continue to deal with the suggestion flame wars by locking threads and/or banning people, the forum is never going to change.

Now, this is what I was banned for:

I don't think the Web Hosting board was intended to be the Boards.ie Big Brother nahdoic. And although it's quite funny, it's also quite sad.

This was in response to nahdoic's comment, jokingly made, that he only goes to the hosting forum to see who TC is going to ban next. He made a joke, and I followed up with a little joke of my own, with a serious undertone. It is quite funny in my view, and also very sad. It wasn't intended as impolite or inconsiderate, it was intended as a basic observation.

TC will probably say that I was banned because I failed to shut up, and if I had seen his warning that would be fair enough, but I didn't see his warning, and more importantly the warning was misplaced in the first place.

adam

DeVore

Ah now adam thats not exactly the full story now is it...

In between the first joke and your reply the Mod finally lost his patience and posted a "Shut up and back on topic or there'll be bans before bedtime" post.

You say you didnt see that... ok. Accepting that you should have PM'ed TC and asked why you were banned. Instead you are turning a molehill into a drama, which isnt out of character for the personalities involved imho.

From TC's point of view, he warned people and you snubbed it. He then made an example of you as he has Sposs, Tom... even Boards.ie's own hosts once.

I'm inclined to think that while TC operates a pretty brutal "Fire and Forget" approach, anything else and we'd be up to our ears in trouble with that forum. As it is it has crossed my mind to close it completely just to save us all the hassle.

There are 8-10 hair-pulling, eye scratching vixens on that forum who seem to enjoy the Melrose Place drama of that particular industries past. I would tend to support a "zero tolerance" policy.

If you guys want though... and if TC is happy with the idea... I'll mod that forum for a week and we can see what sort of fun we can have


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Storm.


DeV.

ecksor

Originally posted by dahamsta

ecksor: Has no people people skills.

Myself and ecksor have crossed paths in the past and (presuming I'm not banned outright) will cross paths again in the future. I don't think he particularly likes me and I don't have a problem with that as long as it doesn't transfer to his treatment of posters. I'm not sure that delineation is happening in this case.

I haven't banned you from anywhere. What I have done is pointed out where your behaviour could get you banned. We have crossed paths on this occasion because you posted here criticising a Moderator. My like or dislike of you is secondary to the fact that you've been agitating the WH board, for which you got banned, which is at The Corinthian's discretion.

By your own admission you didn't raise your concerns outside of the WH forum when your patience and considered discussion didn't get you anywhere. So you decided to take a more annoying approach? That's rubbish. The closest that we have to due process in that case is to post on this forum, or the Admin forum, and raise your ideas/concerns. (I don't believe that you were getting nowhere btw. The recent thread about changes appeared to be gaining support. Not my support, but you can't have everything).

So, I don't think you have a leg to stand on, and I support The Corinthian. Why shouldn't I?

The Corinthian

Originally posted by DeVore
If you guys want though... and if TC is happy with the idea... I'll mod that forum for a week and we can see what sort of fun we can have

Great timing

I'm off to Oz and the far east for 2 - 3 weeks from the 22nd. So I'll gladly take you up on your offer to watch the twins while I'm away...

Sposs

Have fun

I think i'll give up trolling until your back

DeVore

cool... should be a laff a minute!

I'm not banning anyone from the Italian board though... dont fancy any horses heads at the foot of my bed

DeV.

dahamsta

Originally posted by DeVore
You say you didnt see that... ok. Accepting that you should have PM'ed TC and asked why you were banned.

Or TC should have PMed me to explain why. I certainly can't see any logic behind the ban given the relative innocence of the comments. Seriously, look at them and tell me they're a banning offense. If you can do that with a straight face, more power to you. If not, then half the board should be banned.

Instead you are turning a molehill into a drama, which isnt out of character for the personalities involved imho.

Fair point, I'm reactionary. But I don't think I'm turning it into a "drama", I'm trying to raise an issue here -- two issues in fact: a) the banning was totally out of order; and b) the WH forum isn't working, can we get it fixed please?

I'm inclined to think that while TC operates a pretty brutal "Fire and Forget" approach, anything else and we'd be up to our ears in trouble with that forum.

Because the board is borked. Fix the board and these problems won't arise any more. Cure the cause, not the symptom, style of fing.

As it is it has crossed my mind to close it completely just to save us all the hassle.

Or you could do that.

If you guys want though... and if TC is happy with the idea... I'll mod that forum for a week and we can see what sort of fun we can have

Won't make any difference. At the moment, the WH board is like a school with all the classes lumped into one; which will obviously lead to bullying and chaos. You don't send Rambo in to fix that, you separate out the classes and make sure everybody has somewhere they feel comfortable.

adam

dahamsta

Originally posted by ecksor
you've been agitating the WH board, for which you got banned

How have I been agitating exactly?

By your own admission you didn't raise your concerns outside of the WH forum

I just did. Hello?

adam

DeVore

I dont know what school you went to but I can tell you if Rambo walked in our classroom door, we'd have shut the fuck up pretty fast.

I wont be giving out week bans. I cant be arsed having to unban after a week...

You say the board is broken... how do you figure and whats your suggestion (if you can keep this to 35,000 words or less that would be great).

Oh and this would be me addressing your concerns. I suppose we'll get no credit for this, it is after all our jobs...

DeV.

dahamsta

I dont know what school you went to but I can tell you if Rambo walked in our classroom door, we'd have shut the fuck up pretty fast.

And as soon as he walked out the door, you'd be piling tables up and roaring and screaming again. It was probably a bad example though, so let's get back to the original point: Shouldn't the goal be to have the forum operate in such a way that it doesn't /need/ this kind of moderation?

You say the board is broken... how do you figure and whats your suggestion (if you can keep this to 35,000 words or less that would be great).

I've made suggestions a dozen times in WH, as have others, and as far as I can remember they were all pretty simple. My basic suggestion is to try and keep industry discussions/enquiries separate from individual discussions/enquiries as much as possible. Several ways of doing this have been suggested, such splitting into two forums, creating a subforum, or just simply moving individual enquiries to Webmaster.

Oh and this would be me addressing your concerns.

Which I appreciate.

I suppose we'll get no credit for this, it is after all our jobs...

But I thought it was all about the community DeV?

adam

ecksor

Originally posted by dahamsta

By your own admission you didn't raise your concerns outside of the WH forum

I just did. Hello?

:rolleyes:

chewb

As I have done on WH, I too agree mostly with adam. IMHO his opinion is as valid as anyone elses, and did not warrant a ban.

I also agree with him that Corinthian needs to go. He is unable to keep his ego out of WH, and in a position of power (as he is being the moderator) he abuses it. I suspect his other job might be as a bouncer. I think Corithian banned him for the same reason why a dog licks his b****x.

ecksor

Originally posted by chewb
As I have done on WH, I too agree mostly with adam. IMHO his opinion is as valid as anyone elses, and did not warrant a ban.

TC is currently explaining to you the difference between an opinion and a snide remark on the Web Hosting forum, so I won't repeat the explanation here.

I also agree with him that Corinthian needs to go.

Duly noted.

chewb

You are correct. TC has been ramming his bizarre logic down my throat on WH all afternoon. And he can, cos he's a mod.

DeVore

Originally posted by dahamsta
I dont know what school you went to but I can tell you if Rambo walked in our classroom door, we'd have shut the fuck up pretty fast.

And as soon as he walked out the door, you'd be piling tables up and roaring and screaming again. It was probably a bad example though, so let's get back to the original point: Shouldn't the goal be to have the forum operate in such a way that it doesn't /need/ this kind of moderation?

You'd think that mature business people could act that way alright.

What I've seen to date in there makes it look like the old CS forum at times...

You say the board is broken... how do you figure and whats your suggestion (if you can keep this to 35,000 words or less that would be great).

I've made suggestions a dozen times in WH, as have others, and as far as I can remember they were all pretty simple.

Organisation of Boards is OFFTOPIC in the forums and you know that as well as anyone. This is the forum for reorganisation threads as you can see from other threads here.

My basic suggestion is to try and keep industry discussions/enquiries separate from individual discussions/enquiries as much as possible. Several ways of doing this have been suggested, such splitting into two forums, creating a subforum, or just simply moving individual enquiries to Webmaster.

Didnt the industry organise its own industry forum and hosted it off-site somewhere else? What happened??? Oh yeah, it was still born it seems.

Oh and this would be me addressing your concerns.

Which I appreciate.

I suppose we'll get no credit for this, it is after all our jobs...

But I thought it was all about the community DeV?

adam

And what part of this debate isnt? You are having your say (again) here. I'm not just backing TC ... I've said I thought he should have PM'ed you but by and large he does a good job on a tough forum. Havent we taken on your opinions before?

If you've got something to say about my "community" focus, any time you want to spit it out you neednt hold back


The problem isnt **** its the people who think its cool to score points on the opposition.

Like that makes me want to do business with them.... :rolleyes:


DeV.

Victor

/me hands out the big orange happy pills

The Corinthian

Originally posted by chewb
And he can, cos he's a mod.

Please explain that. Go on.

chewb

I have already explained it, and I am not repeating myself.

yellum

The webhosting forums like some kinda peacock strutting arena at this stage. No matter what thread it turns into a bitchy tense ego match.

I think in the webhosting forum all those who work for or own a webhosting company should make their allegiances known in the various threads besides them making snide and unclear digs at each other.

They also seem to have to have the last word in every thread and it ends up with threads populated with stupid crap thats not constructive to the thread.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by chewb
I have already explained it, and I am not repeating myself.

In both threads, here and on the Web Hosting board, I have explained my position ad nauseum. Now regardless of whether you agree with it or not is frankly irrelevant to you now accusing me of “ramming” this down your thought only because I’m a “mod”.

So please explain how I’ve subjected you to this using my evil ‘modly’ powers, or just even point to where you claim to have explained it - otherwise, stop talking through your arse.

chewb

As much as you want me to, I'm not spoonfeeding you.

You prove me right time after time: your last post still shows your inability to make a post without being condescending and abusive.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by chewb
As much as you want me to, I'm not spoonfeeding you.

In other words you were talking out of your arse.

You prove me right time after time: your last post still shows your inability to make a post without being condescending and abusive.

And refusing to spoonfeed me is not either condescending or abusive? :rolleyes:

chewb

Talking about you. Not me. And you're *still* at it.

mneylon

As a regular poster to the WebHosting board I would like to simply say that Corinthian has my full support.

His moderation of the board has always been objective and fair imho.