Sutton to Sandycove

Sarsfield

www.s2s.ie

This appears to be to be one of the best and simplest ideas I've ever seen. There are so many positives to it. And it's so cheap in terms of transport projects.

Can anyone see a reason why this shouldn't be developed as a priority?

Are we all communicating with our local representatives and the media to keep it high on the agenda?

I'm actually a little taken aback at this. It's so simple I can't believe it wasn't done years ago. And why didn't I think of it?

Have I missed something?

Victor

It is one of the things on Dublin Cycling Campaign's list. DLRCC seem to be not very interested (attitude is Dublin Cycling Campaign should do their work for them), Fingal very interested (they are working on a program for Sutton - Baldoyle at the moment).

Sarsfield

I had a look at the DLRCC website.

At least it has a policy to "support the development of a coastal walkway/cycleway from the County boundary at Booterstown to Sandycove" in the Draft Development Plan. Even after the first round of public consultation.

Thankfully they seem to have ignored the NIMBYs objecting to having cyclists & walkers getting between their back gardens and the sea :rolleyes:

Victor

Originally posted by Sarsfield
At least it has a policy to "support the development of a coastal walkway/cycleway from the County boundary at Booterstown to Sandycove" in the Draft Development Plan. Even after the first round of public consultation.

It is one thing to have "law" and "policy", it is another to finance it.

Sarsfield

Well, I did say "At least"

The CHDDA seem all in favour of it too, but I can't seem to find any reference to the project on the City Council website. Does anyone know if they have a position on it?

Victor

Originally posted by Sarsfield
The CHDDA seem all in favour of it too,

All well and good until they put a restaurant in the way :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Sarsfield
but I can't seem to find any reference to the project on the City Council website. Does anyone know if they have a position on it?

Generally, the city council have been the most proactive of the Dublin councils, as it suffers the most. It is generally the City's policy to implement all the DTO strategic cycle routes and particular counter flows (e.g. Trinity Street, Kilmainham).

However it is the DTO www.dto.ie that is the real pusher behind it with 90% funding available for pedestrian and cyclist project, less for public transport and less for others. The DTO is currently working on a cycling design manual.

MadsL

The DTO is currently working on a cycling design manual.

Ehh? They are making a what now?

I thought only cycle maufacturers designed bikes??

Victor

Originally posted by MadsL
I thought only cycle maufacturers designed bikes??

For cycle paths not bicycles.

Sarsfield

The project appears to have moved forward a bit.

From the S2S website:

"In what can only be seen as a major milestone for the S2S campaign, the Dublin Regional Authority, on behalf of Dublin City Council, Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council, Fingal County Council, Dublin Docklands Development Authority and the Dublin Transportation Office, have advertised in Irish and EU journals for consultants to carry out a Preliminary Design Study and Environmental Report for the provision of a promenade and cycleway from Sutton to Sandycove. The move has also been supported by the Minister of Transport, Seamus Brennan TD, who has committed €50,000 towards the cost of the study. The remainder will be funded by the participating bodies. The expectation is that tenders will be submitted early in December and that consultants will be appointed immediately thereafter."

http://www.s2s.ie/index.htm

cyclopath2001

>>The DTO is currently working on a cycling design manual.

Another one?

If the City Council is so proactive and the DTO pushy, how come that both have made such a mess of the alleged 'cycle routes' 'constructed' since 1997?

Has there been a change of management?

They started with shoddy guidelines & could not even stick to them. Years on, the 'routes' are falling apart & cyclists are still lumbered with a legal obligation to use them.

Take the Fairview in-bound route as an example.

Let's start with an audit, fire some people, and make sure not to give more money to those who've wasted so much already.

C.

Sarsfield

According to the S2S campaign, the project has now been incorporated in the Dublin City Council Draft Development Plan 2005-2011.

http://www.dublincity.ie/planning/devplan_2004/index.html

Design and EIS should be starting soon too.

www.s2s.ie

BrianD

Out of interest is this project being proposed as a recreational route or as a route that would be used by cyclists to "commute" from one side of the city to the other.

Victor

Both.

Fudger

its a great idea but the bird and nature crowd would do everything and anything to stop certain areas of it. ie: dollymount (thats what already happened). also as pointed out above the whole finance of this would be fairly high. Look at the m50, 20 years in contruction and still not finished. I know its not a major highway (either is the M50) but pedesterians are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to cars. so it might happen but i wouldn't dust down my bike just yet.

best of luck to everyone promoting it though I'd fully support it.

Victor

I'd be a lot more optimistic than you. First off, cycle paths are cheap to implement and secondly the expensive bits are going to be done as parts of other projects anyway.

Fudger

i'm not completly pessimistic on the idea, its just the whole bird crowd that would make a huge issue of it. they stopped both the cycle track along part of dollymount and to breach the causeway (which is now causing the lagoon to disapear) all for the sake of some feathered bird who comes here once a year to have a dump and a bite to eat.

and as for the government, they take years to do anything ie: luas, dublin port tunnel, m50, m1, n3, n4, n6 quality bus corridors, better public transport systems. De-reg'n the taxis.

then you have the whole issue of residents wanting compensation (always happens) even though its a public amenity if people think they can make money they will go for it. Then the government can CPO property but then the bird crowd go mental and the poltician for the area has complaints from his voters about compensation etc and his/her seat is looking shakey for that area so they sit back and do nothing to ensure they get their votes at the next election and pretend to be working on the problem and then nothing ever happens.

Not only does is this cycle track a good idea it should be done but as above thats what happens with everything in this country. Its a fact of life no matter how you sugar it up. nobody is questioning the idea but as far as it happening in the near future i really can't see it happening until there is a major shake up on the way things are done.

Sarsfield

Any developments on this project?

Are we just waiting on the CCs development plans to be finalised? The website www.s2s.ie hasn't been updated since March.

chewy

its one of those why has this taken so long if eveyone agrees even the pds?

Thankfully they seem to have ignored the NIMBYs objecting to having cyclists & walkers getting between their back gardens and the sea

where exactly

and fludger about the birds groups at dollymount where do you mean... afaik theres an stretch along the coast road that just drops to the sand but a whole loads of boulders put up against the present sea wall out about 2m and a dollop of tarmac doesn't seem to complicated or un-enviromentally friendly to me... the birds have the rest of the irish sea to themselves


victor... the dto they're really keen on cycling pedestrians are they...i mean they realise they can't do without it?

johnos

http://www.s2s.ie

Just came across this by accident.
Great idea, but it seems to have run out of puff. Does anyone know what the position is on this right now (May 05?).

BendiBus

DCC is inviting expressions of interest for a feasability study for a section of the proposed s2s cycleway

DCC wrote:

Expressions of Interest are invited for a Study which will examine the feasibility of providing an elevated combined promenade and cycleway on the seaward side of the existing James Larkin Road linking the North Bull Island Causeway and the Wooden Bridge at Dollymount, Dublin. If found to be feasible, an optimum scheme is to be identified and a preliminary design is to be developed.

http://www.etenders.irlgov.ie/search/search_show.aspx?ID=MAY059669

Additional news on the s2s website

http://www.s2s.ie/

dslnnd

S2S has a Facebook page - give them a 'like':
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/S2S/120315358050159

A fantastic project but horrendously slow to get off the ground. Dubliners' quality of life is poorer without this amenity. Needs to be fast-tracked.

mgmt

dslnnd wrote: »

S2S has a Facebook page - give them a 'like':
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/S2S/120315358050159

A fantastic project but horrendously slow to get off the ground. Dubliners' quality of life is poorer without this amenity. Needs to be fast-tracked.

We need to get a few shotguns and cut down a few birds. The powers that be prefer them then humans.

Cookie_Monster

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Already a perfectly good road route there. Mostly by road with cycle tracks on it or dedicated cycle path. OK so once past Blackrock to Dalkey there are no cycle paths but they are quiet roads anyhoo.

A route I use regularly enough to go around Howth and back from Cabinteely.
The only problems I see with it is the appalling surface on East Wall Road and you more or less have to use the Clontarf cycle track cos the road surface is terrible too. Problem with the track is its overgrown with weeds in places, full of pedestrians and you have to stop at junctions with very poor priority for cyclists/pedestrians.

robd

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

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Already a perfectly good road route there. Mostly by road with cycle tracks on it or dedicated cycle path. OK so once past Blackrock to Dalkey there are no cycle paths but they are quiet roads anyhoo.

A route I use regularly enough to go around Howth and back from Cabinteely.
The only problems I see with it is the appalling surface on East Wall Road and you more or less have to use the Clontarf cycle track cos the road surface is terrible too. Problem with the track is its overgrown with weeds in places, full of pedestrians and you have to stop at junctions with very poor priority for cyclists/pedestrians.

There's no cycle track along Sandyford promenade at all. There's specifically signs on the walkway (which is fair enough) forbidding cycling. This is a horrendous and dangerous road to cycle along due to the traffic calming mini-roundabouts which are totally cyclist unfriendly. I lost count of how many times idiots tried to overtake coming up to roundabout only to run out of road and slam on breaks, forcing me to take evasive action.

Track disappears between Wooden Bridge in Clontarf and Causeway too due to lack of land.

The S2S project is about joining the dots and filling in the gaps where cycling lanes just disappear. The cycle lanes that are there and the walk routes alongside them are all extensively used so this is a win-win.

Cookie_Monster

robd wrote: »

There's no cycle track along Sandymount promenade at all. This is a horrendous and dangerous road to cycle along due to the traffic calming mini-roundabouts which are totally cyclist unfriendly.

I love that road, get great speeds on it

Why do find the roundabout dangerous, just traffic behind/beside you?

dslnnd

mgmt wrote: »

We need to get a few shotguns and cut down a few birds. The powers that be prefer them then humans.

I agree. If there are a few old coots (persons) in Dun Laoghaire or Sandymount who like to go down to the beach and see a certain species of bird and think they might not see that bird anymore if a cycleway is put in, well Dubliners' quality of life has to take precedence I think.

dslnnd

The new Dublin Lord Mayor Andrew Montague (he of the bike hire scheme) says he will finally complete the S2S. Great!
http://www.dublincity.ie/Press/PressReleases/pressreleasesJune2011/Pages/CouncillorAndrewMontagueelectedLordMayorofDublin.aspx