Leaders of the free world?

It wasn't me! · 10-10-2003 5:22pm #1

OK. George Bush. The single most powerful man in the world. In charge of the biggest and best trained army and the most powerful nuclear arsenal ever. Why?

This is going to sound like spam but my friends actually had an argument over who would be a better leader of the free people of the world; Bush? Or Jay and Silent Bob!

That seems to sum up the state of world democracy if you ask me. It'd be interesting to debate it here and see what people think of our current predicament. I'm going to post a poll alongside this and see what the general consensus is.

Feel free to post ideas as to who would be best suited at the moment to run the world as he does. I personally feel that democracy as a whole isn't working for the world and we're going to have to work out some other kind of system to live by. What do you think?

Aliminator · 10-10-2003 7:48pm

Kofi Annan.
Ralph Nader.
Queen or some royalty i guess. at least they're trained from youth for it, and aren't just some yahoos with no intellectual capacity

mentalimplosion · 10-10-2003 7:56pm

glen hansard. seriously, like, i'd just love to see what'd happen.
ross o'carroll kelly.
quentin tarantino

or just bush, because it is with his imperfections that we waste time bull****ing about. what'd we do without him?

sk_irl · 10-10-2003 8:48pm

the free world, yes that is a nice concept isn't it. io think that the first plan would be too develope your so calledfree world then you can go about the task of findind a leader.

Barry Aldwell · 10-10-2003 8:52pm

Originally posted by sk_irl
the free world, yes that is a nice concept isn't it. io think that the first plan would be too develope your so calledfree world then you can go about the task of findind a leader.

/me predicts Seamus is wearing his Che Guevara tshirt

sk_irl · 10-10-2003 8:54pm

no t shirt barry but on the topic, communism is the way to go. all we have to do is to get humans to overcome their natural greed and corruption.

Barry Aldwell · 10-10-2003 8:57pm

Originally posted by sk_irl
no t shirt barry but on the topic, communism is the way to go. all we have to do is to get humans to overcome their natural greed and corruption.

A bullet through the forehead for everybody it is then.

(Well, it's either that or extensive gene therapy, which I've heard itches)

sk_irl · 10-10-2003 8:59pm

it can be done done barry it can be done, or we could invent robots to do our work. that's the way to go.
/me forsees robot scratching my ass for me.

Aliminator · 10-10-2003 9:00pm

exactly. but more of a socialist based system like in scandinavia. they have the best lifestyles.
freedom of speech does not exist ANYWHERE!
free world my ass.
fair globilasation anyone? FAIR TRADE anyone?
NO GUNS ANYONE?

Barry Aldwell · 10-10-2003 9:01pm

Originally posted by sk_irl
/me forsees robot scratching my ass for me.

An ass scratching robot? I will take 5 of those, right now.

sk_irl · 10-10-2003 9:04pm

i'd only take four if i were you barry you'll need a seperate non ass scratching one for food.

Barry Aldwell · 10-10-2003 9:08pm

Originally posted by sk_irl
i'd only take four if i were you barry you'll need a seperate non ass scratching one for food.

Plus another one to rule the non-free world, in lieu of me threatening everyone.

sk_irl · 10-10-2003 9:10pm

barry you must know that you can not control the free or unfree world with ass scratching robots. it takes the tactful mastery of our glorious leader george bush.

Barry Aldwell · 10-10-2003 9:18pm

Originally posted by sk_irl
barry you must know that you can not control the free or unfree world with ass scratching robots. it takes the tactful mastery of our glorious leader george bush.

With the difference being?

sk_irl · 10-10-2003 9:24pm

well the AI that shall be nused in my ass scratching robots wil be a more advanced model than that used to create mr. bush.

malecO · 10-10-2003 11:52pm

Originally posted by sk_irl
no t shirt barry but on the topic, communism is the way to go. all we have to do is to get humans to overcome their natural greed and corruption.

I agree with you there but I wonder how we are going to go about altering the main characteristics of the human race.

sk_irl · 10-10-2003 11:58pm

well i think that once there is one example of communism working anyone with any orm of morality will see that it's the way to go.

Barry Aldwell · 11-10-2003 1:22am

Originally posted by sk_irl
well i think that once there is one example of communism working anyone with any orm of morality will see that it's the way to go.

Try to get an example of communism working, and then you can worry about bringing people to it

/me sits back, confident that he will never live under communism

Bazookatone · 11-10-2003 3:56am

When reading the posts on boards, especially those on social issues, I am always amused by the fundamental flaws in everyone's logic, that no-one else seems to see:
1) That the world is somehow a bad place.
2) That it was better than this before now
3) We should try to change things.

Here's the truth
1) The world is both good and bad
2) It has always been good and bad
3) Nothing we do will make it any more good and less bad.

Bad things happen. They happen every day. They are a part of the natural order. George W is a pillock. He always was a pillock. He will always be a pillock. The American people will re-elect him. this is because they are pillocks, not in a personal way, just in a big dumb mob mentality way. We will accept this, because we are pillocks. So, who's the most pillocked, the pillock, the pillocks who elected him, or the pillocks who didn't immedietly boycott all trade with those pillocks?

The world as we know it will not last much longer, like a mathematical equation, it is recycling itself ever onward, flying inexorably towards the point when the whole system creashes. It is far too late to do anything about it, the event horizon was passed years ago. The best we can do is build a very large bunker, store enough canned food to last 6 months, and buy a shotgun.

Don't worry, this is normal.
(Now THATS a controversial quote!)

halenger · 11-10-2003 11:22am

Originally posted by sk_irl
it can be done done barry it can be done, or we could invent robots to do our work. that's the way to go.
/me forsees robot scratching my ass for me.

* Halenger forsees a) The Matrix or

Skynet.

Originally posted by Barry Aldwell
Try to get an example of communism working, and then you can worry about bringing people to it

You will never ever get a working example of Communism anywhere that can be ALLOWED to work. Unless perhaps someone destroys all of America.

Look at Cuba. I'm not saying it's perfect, surely it isn't, but it will never develop as a Communist Nation cause there are so many restrictions and trade sanctions placed on it. Though I'm told they have one of the, if not the, best health care systems in the world.

halenger · 11-10-2003 11:26am

To get back on topic... I don't think the world, free or not, is ready for a World Leader. The old saying goes:
Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.

We as humans are simply not ready to lead a world. Sure Countries are barely being lead at this point in time. It's like saying yeah we've got loads of problems at home but sure forget that we'll just not bother sorting them first and try to lead the world as one.

Countries need to focus on improving themselves before they can go out and try to be a single unified world.

The US is a prime example. It is a large country so it has many many problems. It really does need to focus on curing them. Unfortunately it believes that "curing the rest of the worlds problems" will cure it's ones. I'm sure this is true of terrorism but they do have terrorism of their own to sort out.

Aliminator · 11-10-2003 7:22pm

Countries need to focus on improving themselves before they can go out and try to be a single unified world.

countries = developed. they are the ones debilatating other countries.

The world as we know it will not last much longer, like a mathematical equation, it is recycling itself ever onward, flying inexorably towards the point when the whole system creashes. It is far too late to do anything about it, the event horizon was passed years ago. The best we can do is build a very large bunker, store enough canned food to last 6 months, and buy a shotgun.

/wonders about ur sanity

It wasn't me! · 11-10-2003 8:11pm

Ah here! Get back on topic properly people before Neil deletes the thread. I wanted to have at least one thread on this forum that doesn't get:

a) Ignored
b) Locked
c) Deleted (à la Pirates thread)

Capt'n Midnight · 11-10-2003 8:12pm

Surely you mean SELF APPOINTED leaders of the free world.

As far as I remember there wasn't any vote by the rest the "free world" to elect the US president as our leader. - Which by definition means that the world that they claim to be free either isn't or the US president ain't it's leader.

Crash · 11-10-2003 11:00pm

Actually by an odd twist of fate wouldnt that make them dictators in an odd way, thus negating the free world statement and causing the world to turn into a big white hole?

and "it wasn't me".....shut up.

It wasn't me! · 12-10-2003 9:19am

Yes master.
*Shuffles off, à la limping hunchback*

Aliminator · 12-10-2003 5:04pm

Actually by an odd twist of fate wouldnt that make them dictators in an odd way

it's called facism. or 'hard-line-right-wingers.'

and also, if the american system of 'democracy' had some ballot system the american public could understand, then mistakes would not happen. as often.

larry · 12-10-2003 6:49pm

being realistic, how or why would anyone be leader of the world?

taby · 13-10-2003 12:45pm

Hmmm a very interesting thread to be sure.....

Firstly I agree that the world is both good and bad based mainly on humna nature to be both good and bad. Good people make bad mistakes and bad people can chnage to be good etc etc.

The world is a grey colour..its neither black nor whitely right or wrong. It's inbetween.

A world leader woulf never work? Its never been in human nature since the dawn of humans to work togteyher peacefully. You'll always get someone who doesn't like how it is being run and who will go off and try and set up own way of doing things.

The best thing that can be done is as someone said before..buy a shotgun :-p

No really the best thing that can be done as i think halenger said is try and sort out ur own country before tyring to sort out world.

:-)

Personally thought i think jay and silent bob wud be great world leaders ;-p

s0l · 13-10-2003 6:53pm

Go go seizing control of a sector of a large city (peacefully) and starting the worlds first Anarcho-Capitalist state! *THRUST*

And then we fly off to space and get stranded on a distant planet were we form a true anarchy! weeeee.

malecO · 14-10-2003 10:46pm

Oh, I forgot. Someone said that the world would be better off if it was communist. Let me just tell you that if my granny heard you saying that she would beat you over the head with very large ugly stick.

Actually, if run properly and if the mentality of the human race was altered it could be, as already mentioned, a way to go.

Spenguin · 15-10-2003 7:21pm

I suppose the world would work if they made it like in 'brave new world' where everyone was happy because they were raised to be satisfied with what ever position they were in. Course, it'd be kinda boring. from an outsiders point of view that is. We wouldn't know boredom. YAY!

Aliminator · 15-10-2003 7:44pm

ignorance is bliss.
well, there's a fukn legendary idea Spenguin.
like the world needs more ignorance

John1188 · 20-10-2003 8:51pm

has it not occured to anyone that a "free" world wouldn't have any rulers as we'd all be free?
also to those people saying that the world is both good and bad:

good and bad don't exist, they are concepts thought up to help justify the concept of morality

*******

Aliminator · 20-10-2003 8:58pm

wha hahaa.
good one. good and bad are all based on our perceptions and expressions of the ways of knowing. i like that concept.

did anyone go to that freedom thing in UCD over the weekend. was thought-provoking.

John1188 · 20-10-2003 9:07pm

actually good and bad came about in the following manner:

a guy didn't want things to happen to him

he called these things bad things

he decided he needed a way to make sure these things didn't happen to him

he invented morality

he dressed up in a habit and went out into the street and told people about "God" and how "God" wanted people to be "moral"

he told people that if they were "moral" (i.e. good) they would be rewarded and if they were "immoral" (i.e. bad) they would be punished

people believed him

he then felt safe turning his back to other people

(i'm not really this cynical but it's a good way of seeing things differently)

*******

Barry Aldwell · 20-10-2003 9:14pm

Originally posted by It wasn't me!
In charge of the biggest and best trained army and the most powerful nuclear arsenal ever.

I believe that mother Russia has (or at least had) a larger army in terms of manpower, and a larger nuclear arsenal. No central heating, mind.

Awayindahils · 20-10-2003 9:29pm

'i'm not really this cynical '

i know ****ing coin operated lampposts

neway how can one person have invented wat was bad, since not all people have the same views as to wats bad r immoral? Fair enough that one person had the concept, but not the complete monopoly on which was which.Infact (now that im rambling) the worlds first debate was probably on wat was bad and wat was good but all debates are, just under other names.

John1188 · 21-10-2003 8:38pm

what do coin operated lampposts have to do with this?
who are you?
and
this guy came up with morality to protect himself from wat he believed was "bad", others understood "bad" things as wat ever they consider them to be

Barry Aldwell · 22-10-2003 12:48pm

Originally posted by John1188
wat do coin operated lampposts have to do with this?
who are you?
and
this guy came up with morality to protect himself from wat he believed was "bad", others understood "bad" things as wat ever they consider them to be

Wat:
A Buddhist temple in Thailand or Cambodia.

Maybe you mean:

What:
pron.

Which thing or which particular one of many: What are you having for dinner? What did she say?
Which kind, character, or designation: What are these objects?
One of how much value or significance: What are possessions to a dying man?

That which; the thing that: Listen to what I tell you.
Whatever thing that: come what may.
Informal. Something: I'll tell you what.
Nonstandard. Which, who, or that: It's the poor what gets the blame.

adj.
Which one or ones of several or many: What college are you attending? You should know what musical that song is from.
Whatever: They soon repaired what damage had been done.
How great; how astonishing: What a fool!

adv.
How much; in what respect; how: What does it matter?

conj.
That: I don't know but what I'll go.

interj.
Used to express surprise, incredulity, or other strong and sudden excitement.
Chiefly British. Used as a tag question, often to solicit agreement.

Though you could mean

John Bowler:
Spammer that lacks basic typing and spelling skills

purplepolkadot · 22-10-2003 8:23pm

why wasn't i one of the options on the poll?

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