Bush needs a little money on Sunday

magick

Yup Bush is expected ask for.............87 Billion (yup 87 BILLION) to fight terroism.

WASHINGTON (Sept. 7) - Four days before the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush said Sunday night he will seek $87 billion to fight terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan and ''engage the enemy where he lives.''

In an 18-minute address Bush said, ''We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities.''

Bush appealed for troops and money for security and reconstruction from other countries, even those who opposed the U.S.-led war.

Bush, speaking from the Cabinet Room in a nationally broadcast speech, said the United States would not be intimidated into retreat by violence.

''The terrorists have cited the examples of Beirut and Somalia, claiming that if you inflict harm on Americans we will run from a challenge,'' Bush said, referring to U.S. withdrawals after the loss of American lives. ''In this they are mistaken.''

It was Bush's first major speech on Iraq since May 1 when he stood on the deck of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and declared an end to major combat operations. Since then, more Americans have died in Iraq than were killed during the war. The overall death count is 287 - 149 since May 1.

The violence - including four major bombing attacks in a month - have raised alarms about Bush's handling of Iraq. Republicans and Democrats alike have urged Bush to change course and seek more troops and money from other countries.

Questions also have been fueled by the administration's failure to find any of Saddam Hussein's alleged illegal weapons or Saddam himself. Bush made just one reference in his speech to weapons of mass destruction - a sharp contrast to his repeated assertions before the war about illegal weapons.

Bush's remarks failed to still criticism from Democratic presidential hopefuls.

''Now that the president has recognized that he has been going down the wrong path, this administration must begin the process of fully engaging our allies and sharing the burden of building a stable democracy in Iraq,'' said Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo.

Howard Dean, another Democratic candidate, said Iraq had pulled the country's attention and resources away from homeland security and the economy.

Comparing Iraq with Vietnam, Dean said, ''The government again is feeding misinformation to the American people in order to justify an enormous commitment of U.S. troops.''

Bush said Iraq and the Middle East are critical to winning the global war on terror. Bush's plan for Mideast plan appeared to be unraveling after Saturday's resignation of Mahmoud Abbas, the U.S.-backed Palestinian prime minister. But he made no mention of that in his speech.

Bush described Iraq as the central front in the war against terror and said that ''enemies of freedom are making a desperate stand there, and there they must be defeated.

''This will take time and require sacrifice,'' he said. ''Yet we will do what is necessary, we will spend what is necessary, to achieve this essential victory in the war on terror, to promote freedom and to make our own nation more secure.''

Bush said the current number of U.S. troops in Iraq - 130,000 - is sufficient but that more foreign troops are needed. He said two multinational divisions, led by Britain and Poland, are serving alongside the United States, and that American commanders have requested a third multinational division.

Some countries have asked for an explicit U.N. peacekeeping authorization, and Bush said Secretary of State Colin Powell would seek a Security Council resolution to authorize deployment of new forces. Bush will address the U.N. General Assembly in two weeks.

Referring to France, Germany and Russia, Bush said that ''not all of our friends agreed with our decision (to) ... remove Saddam Hussein from power. Yet we cannot let past differences interfere with present duties.''

Pressed by Democrats and Republicans alike for a pricetag for Iraq, Bush said $66 billion of the $87 billion he will seek from Congress for the next fiscal year is for military and intelligence operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. In April 2003, Congress and Bush enacted a $79 billion measure paying initial costs of the war and its aftermath and for worldwide efforts against terrorism.

While the United States has shouldered the burden of the effort in Iraq, Bush said other nations will be asked to help. He said Powell will meet with representatives of many countries later this month to seek contributions for rebuilding Afghanistan. Next month, Powell will hold a similar funding conference for Iraq.

''Europe, Japan and states in the Middle East all will benefit from the success of freedom in those two countries, and they should contribute to that success,'' Bush said.

Bush said Iraq is under siege from former loyalists of Saddam Hussein and foreign terrorists who have come to Iraq to pursue their war against the United States.

''We cannot be certain to what extent these groups work together,'' the president said. ''We do know they have a common goal: reclaiming Iraq for tyranny.''

Public support for Bush's policy has slipped since the war but has leveled off in the mid 50s, polls show.

Appealing to Americans' patriotism, Bush said the United States has ''done this kind of work before. Following World War II, we lifted up the defeated nations of Japan and Germany and stood with them as they built representative governments. We committed years and resources to this cause.''

He said U.S. strategy in Iraq has three objectives: ''destroying the terrorists, enlisting the support of other nations for a free Iraq and helping Iraqis assume responsibility for their own defense and their own future.''

Powell said the Bush administration is concerned that members of al-Qaida or other terrorist groups may be heading toward Iraq. ''I'm not sure how large these numbers are, how significant the threat is, but we will deal with it in Iraq,'' Powell said on NBC's 'Meet the Press.''

Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Congress will approve the money needed to support U.S. troops, but that lawmakers want the president to tell them what his ''exit strategy'' is from Iraq.

Defense Department officials have said U.S. operations are costing about $3.9 billion monthly. That figure excludes indirect expenses such as replacing damaged equipment and munitions expended in combat.

Levin said lawmakers are being told that it will cost $4.5 billion a month for the military - plus reconstruction expenses.

mr_angry

Wow. $85 billion? That's a lot of money being spent on rooting out a few hundred people (assuming the terrorist numbers are in that region). It seems to me that President Bush is digging a hole for himself, and rather than stop and think about it, he just continues to dig. At this stage, its one big $164 billion hole!

I just think that if George W. Bush concentrated much more on HELPING these countries, instead of destroying them, things would turn out better. I admit, American policy does seem to seek to help rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, but at the same time seems to alienate Palistine, Syria, Sudan, and Somalia. Look at the number of times in his speech he's used words like "destroy", or "defeat", or "military", compared to the amount of times he used "help", or "humanitarian aid" (a whopping total of zero for the latter). As long as he continues digging this hole, the terrorists will just continue to breed.

Lemming

Originally posted by magick

Referring to France, Germany and Russia, Bush said that ''not all of our friends agreed with our decision (to) ... remove Saddam Hussein from power. Yet we cannot let past differences interfere with present duties.''

These would be the "cheese eating surrender monkeys" then yes? :rolleyes:

"If you're not with us, you're against us"? :rolleyes:

bloggs

Mr Bush,

Here is a way to reduce terrorism and it won't cost you a single billion dollars.

1. Issue an apology to the Arab world for all the wrong doing.
2. Cut off all 'Aid' to Israel
3. Reissue all UN resoultions that you vetoed on Israel
4. Take all your miltary out of Saudi Arabia, Quitar, Yemen, etc.

Once these above have been implemented perhaps then you can talk about restoring peace in the world :rolleyes:

bloggs

COST OF WAR
US war funds
War-related funds requested from Congress (2002-2003) - $75bn
Funds for Iraq and Afghanistan requested from Congress (2003-2004) - $87bn
Stabilisation
Budget allocated in March for 'stabilisation phase' - $12bn
Current cost of post-war occupation - $3.9bn/month
Reconstruction
Budget allocated in March for 'reconstruction phase' - $7.2bn
Rebuilding cost (McKinsey estimate, July) - up to $90bn
Iraq's estimated pre-war oil revenues - $15-25bn/year
Iraq's estimated debt - $60 - 130bn
US budget deficit
Estimated 2002-2003 - $401bn
Estimated 2003-2004 - $480bn

From http://news.bbc.co.uk

Hmm, didn't the WW2 cost to the US run into something like 100 billion?

dathi1

check were he issued this request from yesterday;
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96716,00.html

bloggs

Perhaps he might drop up to Dublin to sell some Antrax and Nerve Gas to Bertie, as Ahern might be worried he might not get in next time, and the old voters need to be chaxed

damnyanks

Originally posted by bloggs
COST OF WAR
US war funds
War-related funds requested from Congress (2002-2003) - $75bn
Funds for Iraq and Afghanistan requested from Congress (2003-2004) - $87bn
Stabilisation
Budget allocated in March for 'stabilisation phase' - $12bn
Current cost of post-war occupation - $3.9bn/month
Reconstruction
Budget allocated in March for 'reconstruction phase' - $7.2bn
Rebuilding cost (McKinsey estimate, July) - up to $90bn
Iraq's estimated pre-war oil revenues - $15-25bn/year
Iraq's estimated debt - $60 - 130bn
US budget deficit
Estimated 2002-2003 - $401bn
Estimated 2003-2004 - $480bn

From http://news.bbc.co.uk

Hmm, didn't the WW2 cost to the US run into something like 100 billion?

Its not funny unless the "priceless" line isput in

fisty

impeach george w bush!

mr_angry

*rofl*

I can always rely on the American government to amuse me. And Donald Rumsvelt thinks there shouldn't be any debate on the war, in case some criticism comes out? Awww. *mock sympathy*. Did someone hurt poor little Donalds feelings? I'm just surprised he hasn't bombed Al Jazeera headquaters to the ground yet. They have all the right credentials: they're Arab, they don't like Americans, they had people in Iraq and Afghanistan... sounds like another "legitimate" American target to me...