Technical Changes in Video Editing

Lump

Hi, I;m doing my final college research report/essay on Technical changes in Video/film editing over the past 50 years. I'm just wondering does anyone know any websites that may help me, or that I may get in contact with editors through.



Thanks John


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Dont be at yourself

Our very own Dustaz is an editor type person, isn't he?

Lump

Yea, I;m going to talk to him. I was just asking here if anyone else knew any webbies etc.




John

sceptre

Dunno if this book would be any good to you but it's not too expensive.

The all-powerful wikipedia might be worth at least a quick glance

Lump

Yea, I'm going to be looking at books too. I was going to leave that until I got backto england as the college libary has lots of books related to his area. However that book looks fairly cheap releated to what I'm doing it on. I may aquire it.


I also need to have Primary sources, I have a few friends that are editors but they are quite young. I need to get some old Skool editors. Oh well better get e-mailing



John

mycroft

Ralph Winters (bloke who cut Ben Hur) once said that the greatest advancement in editing technology was the invention of scotch tape.

Seriously.

Next is it video or film editing that you're interested in?

If it's video editing if you need to focus on two areas, George Lucas and Coppola invented the first non linear video editing system in the early eighties (edit droid)

Computer non linear video editing is relatively new, focus on avid avid.com which was an invention of the late eighties.

Tell me which exactly you are interested in and I'll stick up some urls later in the week

mycroft

I actually worked with Don a few years ago.

While his book is fantastic and in depth in the development and creation of film grammer, it's quite weak on technology.

It's great if you want a disection of the cutting of "Battle Ship Potemkin" or want to know when cross cutting became commonplace, and he makes several theories about how editing technology has infulenced film structure, it's not a technical manual.

Lump

I'm going to focus on video/digital editing. I don't have much interest/knowledge of film editing. Thanks for all this help its great.




John

mycroft

Theres really only two things for you to look at then.

The ceation of tape to tape editing systems, and the evolution of digital non linear editing.

Theres a couple of Irish companies you should try to contact. Mail me, and I'll pass on contact detials.

Lump

E-mail sent.



John

Ajos

Originally posted by Lump
I'm going to focus on video/digital editing. I don't have much interest/knowledge of film editing. Thanks for all this help its great.


John

These days they're basically the same thing (in a technical sense). Everybody uses more or less the same boxes. The difference is that video works at 25 frames per second (PAL countries) or 29.97 FPS (NTSC), and film is projected at 24FPS the world over. The methodologies for dealing with this discrepancy are the main extra hassle of film editing. There's an article in the current Film Ireland interviewing some Irish editors, asking their opinions on the impact of technology on the art of editing. It's not exactly in depth, but it might be interesting to you.
The best book (IMNSHO) about film editing, and this aspect of it specifically, is Walter Murch's "In the Blink of an Eye".
I'm just a humble sound editor myself, so I don't think I qualify as a primary source for you. Good luck.

Ajos

OK, what's happened now is that I've re-read your original post. My previous ramblings can be replaced with this link:
http://www.adleader.co.uk/filmscan.html

Carry on.

Lump

Hey Ajos, where are you working as a sound editor. I;m getting in to both video and sound editing. Basically I;m interested/ practiving in both at the moment. I'm buying an edit suite over summer, Pro Edition 5 with a copy of protools onit. I'm getting the protools lite with the inout box that comes with it. Not much, but not bad for a student.



John

Ajos

I'm freelance, but I mostly work out at Ardmore Sound. At the moment I'm in town, working on a movie called Timbuktu. There's a list of credits here. I shall shortly be emigrating - more details here. I know that's more information than you needed. How are you trying to break in? What kind of stuff are you working on?

mycroft

How is it going AJ?

I was just talking to the splendid Ms Reynolds last week.

Tell us will you be back for the christmas party this year, or is it in Jame's capable hands.

Ajos

Mr. O'B? Is that you? OK, this is going off topic. PM time!

Lump

Hey Ajos, I did work experience in Ardmore a few years back,..... four to be exact. I'm still in college at the moment.... going into my final year obviously. I am currently doing alot or radio drama work, on protools. I editing a 30 minute drama, and a surreal 90 minutes drama before I came back to Ireland. Both of those were produced by last years third years and edited by me... if you understand that. I also do a fair bit of band work, both live and recorded.


Before I came back to Ireland, I fully video and sound edited an hour long Thriller. Which we premiered in the Cinema in Carlise (Where the college is).

Other then that, I work on Under the Hawthorn Tree. DOing clapper loader and assistant editor. It was sold to Channel 4 and is being distributed in America. It was totally made by young people. In the Young Irish Film Makers. When I leave college I want to get into both sound and video work. I prefere video work, but I love working with sound too. I have taken an advanced sound course in the college, and am fully trained using a digital studio and an analogue studio. Using protools in the digital studio and a mixingdesk/8 track in the analogue studio. I also use avid, Edition Pro 5, Edit* and Sony ES 3 video editing suites. I am also fully trained using Sony DSR 300 and 200, Panasonic Pro 50 camera, JVS Widescreen Switchable, and a panasonic AD700D camera....... can't think of much more else. If you are really interested I can mail you my CV .



John

Ajos

I would've been around Ardmore four years ago. Was it Ardmore Sound specifically? I wouldn't bother sending me your CV, as I'm about to leave the country, but you could send it to Alan Collins at Ardmore Sound - if you want to pursue the sound thing. Where's the Hawthorn yoke cutting? What's the college? And an interesting angle to the technological changes thing (I've always felt) is the difference between the slow, reluctant take up in the picture editing end and the vast, career ending speed of the changeover in the sound editing end. It really happened almost overnight. Nobody cuts sound on mag any more (I'm pretty sure the last film to do so in Ireland was "The General", and that was a hangover. I was an assistant.) but people still cut picture on a Steenbeck or a Moviola.
Technology, eh?

Lump

Yea, I was in the sound end of things, when the Butcher Boy was being Foleyed..... (Is that a word). I met Andrea Corr.... didn't know it was her at the time until one of the techies there told me. I was young and nieve at the time, yet I'm still interested in that whole area.


I might send it on up to him, I dont actually have a copy of it in Ireland..... but when I get back to england, I might look for some experience/trainee ship or something. I'm sure I've met you in person.



John Loughman.

Ajos

Almost certainly. I remember when Andrea Corr was around. I bumped into her in the corridor carrying a vacuum cleaner - not the impression I wanted to make. I was doing a Screen Training Ireland Sound Editing course back then. Who was doing the foley for Butcher Boy? Was it [wards off evil eye] Jenny and Pauline [/wards off evil eye] by any chance? I think I was wearing a long black leather coat during that period.

Anthony Litton

Lump

Actually I've just remembered that they were finishing off the sound for butcher boy. But some wan from kilkenny county was doing foley for something, could have been butcher boy. I wasn't allow even into the studio when they did the sound for butcher boy. ie when the director was around. I had a grand chat to Andrea..... nice girl I seem to remember a long leather jacket wearing person...... ah sure tis years ago.


John

Ajos

Ah sure, much water under the bridge. That foley artist would've been Caroline. Good luck with your research.

Lump

Cheers mate, I hope it goes well to. And good luck with the move.



John