Xbox - the poor thing

bewildered

Is it just me or does Xbox have a really bad press. It starts off to people questioning its size, then its "stupid" hard drive (which I believe rocks). Apparently PS2 is perfection "consolified" so to speak, and anything that is different from PS2 is EVIL.

what do you all think? Is Xbox a drowning cow???

chernobyl

Get out of hear you Xbox fanboy!




I can do that, right?

Creamy Goodness

the size is a bit big but the hard drive is cool

they way u can play tony hawk with your own music is brilliant


can the PS2 do that?

bewildered

I'm kind of afraid to ask, but which one is you in that picture chernoyble?





I have nore music on my xbox that a lot of small country music shops. Literally I have hundreds of tracks, and I have barely even payed for most of them. Can your old PS2 have you listen to any music you want while you play really original titles??

Yeah sure it's mainly driving games that let you do it, but Bill G. is learning...

Goodshape

Not everything bar the PS2 is evil. Just the XBox.

The gamecube is actually quite good.

Retr0gamer

I don't care if the xbox is big or has crap controllers. And I don't care that the PS2 is one ugly console and also has crap controllers (However from a design point of view the Gamecube is perfection consolified).

I ask myself 1 question. Are there any games on the xbox that I have to play that aren't available on PS2 and GC. The answer to that is no and thats the reason I haven't bought an xbox.

Here's another question. Can the xbox play GTA, Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Zelda Wind Waker, Ikaruga, ICO, FFX, Xenosaga, etc.

It doesn't matter to me that I can listen to my own music during games or that I don't have a hard disk. I buy my consoles to play games and not to blurt out tech specs.

bloggs

Halo! Halo 2! Doom 3! Need i say more about how great the Xbox is

Retr0gamer

Halo: out on PC soon.
Doom 3: will be out on PC first and be far better
Halo 2: May yet change my mind. That and emulation might make me get one :-)

mrblue

Which is better, Sega or Nintendo? Blur or Oasis? Rolling Stones or the Beatles?

Someone tell me what to think!

Retr0gamer

Think about cheese. It helps ease my confusion.

ThreadKiller

Daddy or chips ?



(actually XBox Rocks)

Borzoi

Originally posted by Retr0gamer
Doom 3: will be out on PC first and be far better

Can I borrow your Crystal Ball to get this weekend lottery numbers:D

I like my xbox, I know bugger all about PS2 and Cubes, so I won't make stupid comments about 'em

Creamy Goodness

the fact of the matter is this any game that is out on a console that is a port of a PC game. 100% of the time the pc version is going to be better


for example GTA: Series. - much bettter on Pc

half-Life 2 - will be much better on pc than x-box or any console
Doom 3 - will have the same outcome as half-life 2

moridin

Originally posted by bewildered
Is it just me or does Xbox have a really bad press. It starts off to people questioning its size, then its "stupid" hard drive (which I believe rocks). Apparently PS2 is perfection "consolified" so to speak, and anything that is different from PS2 is EVIL.

what do you all think? Is Xbox a drowning cow???

The XBox is only good when you stick a mod chip in there and use it as a media player.

Games can be ripped to the nice new (large) HDD which you can then install.

Movies can be viewed using X-Box Media Player, which plays prettymuch everything that your PC does. It's great for anime and stuff like that as something that may not be the best quality when you watch it on the PC looks amazing at full screen on a TV.

If you want games, proper games, then get yourself a nice PS2 or Gamecube. Having said that I'm rather partial to Tiger Woods 2003 on the X-Box, but that's because EA have injected it with "one more play" syndrome

astrofool

don't be shy Borzoi, Retr0 knows bugger all about consoles and pc's and still makes stupid comments about 'em

jesus_thats_gre

The Xbox is a quality console, as is the PS2 and the GC. At the moment all three are sitting behind me and it is impossible to say which is better.

On the grand scale of things, the GC has the best quality games, but very little of them. The Xbox would be second quality wise but would have them in more quantity. The PS2 in my opinion has has too many crap games.

It really depends on what style of games you like. If you love Nintendo games, i.e. Maria, Zelda and likes, the GC is the only choice. If you want First Person Shooters and a bit more and dont want to purchase a PC, the Xbox is spot on. If you want platform, action, sports or driving games, the PS2 does the job.

Personally I feel the Xbox is having a far to hard time of things. It was always going to be impossible to beat both Sony and Nintendo, especially when you consider the headstart Sony had with the PS2. Microsoft have made a relatively good effort and are now sitting in second place and with the prospect of numerous grade A titles being released, this position will be strenghtened.

Halo 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, Half Life 2, Doom 3, Far Cry, Grand Theft Auto Series, EA's support and future Xbox Live titles is a vert strong line up. These games will appeal to the masses and will take a large chunk out of the PS2's user base. Lets face it, the PS2 is not powerful enough to cope with what either the Xbox or the GC can produce.

Retr0gamer

Lets face it, the PS2 is not powerful enough to cope with what either the Xbox or the GC can produce.

But it isn't about power. It's about the games and the xbox just isn't delivering the games that I want to play. I think microsofts approach by bringing out games that appeal to the masses is a sound strategy for establishing a foothold in the console industry but these games are already available on the other formats and its exclusives don't match the exclusive games of the other consoles. Maybe it's the games I like to play but I don't have any interest in the xbox at the moment. I'll wait and see what the future releases are like.

Creamy Goodness

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
Halo 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, Half Life 2, Doom 3, Far Cry, Grand Theft Auto Series, EA's support and future Xbox Live titles is a vert strong line up.

hate to say this though HL2 and Doom3 will suck on the x-box so will GTA series cos it's basically 2 year old game and vice city is a year old.

as for half-life2 and doom3 there is no chance u can get an as good a playing experience as you can with the pc. ppl have started to upgrade their machines in order to play HL2 and they go a lot further than the x-box specs of 700mhz with 64mb ram.

kensutz

It's amazing how retrogamer says the same crap in each post that comes up about the 3 consoles. Everyone has their own opinion. I'm sick of this fanboy **** that keeps popping up. Read about the XBOX exclusives and Live games, read about how well the PS2 did at E3 (oops they didnt do too well), the gamecube is alright. Also look how much longer the PS2 is out before the XBOX. It's way too early to write it off.

Gummy Panda

Cr3m0,

Xbox doesn;t have the exact same architecture of a pc. not bottlenecks and no windows os running in the background.

It would get a medium performance outta HL2.

Gummy Panda

And remember,

your processor is only as faster as its connecting devices.

Borzoi

Originally posted by Cr3m0
hate to say this though HL2 and Doom3 will suck on the x-box so will GTA series cos it's basically 2 year old game and vice city is a year old.

as for half-life2 and doom3 there is no chance u can get an as good a playing experience as you can with the pc. ppl have started to upgrade their machines in order to play HL2 and they go a lot further than the x-box specs of 700mhz with 64mb ram.

So what you're saying is that the Xbox, which costs about the same as the new graphics card for your PC, will not deliver the same performance as a PC.:D

You might be right, but will they suck, I'll wait and see.

And if they do, I'll happily shout it from the roof tops.


Remember:
apples =/ pears
xbox =/ PC

Retr0gamer

I'm very sorry Kensutz for stating my opinion.

I didn't buy a PS2 for the first because there were no good games on it. It's the same reason that I'm not buying an xbox. It's silly to buy a console on the strength of how well it did at E3. Also Live doesn't iterest me since I live in a crappy town without broadband.

mrblue

The PS2 has got a thoroughly lousy preview section on most games sites. X-box at least has some promising sounding titles coming out for it. I won't get too excited about Doom 3 & HL 2 until I see some video footage from these games running on an x-box (NOT a pc - many of the x-box magazines seem to think they can fool us into thinking we are watching xbox footage when no - its actually a high spec pc). Fable & Halo 2 are bound to be pretty sweet though.

I am 22, too old for games admittedly, but it does mean that I get to have all three consoles - not that I would admit this to my friends, or any woman, ever. My PS2 is gathering dust currently. Still, it is has a massive backlog of quality titles that no-one can be dissapointed with. So stop fretting over which console is best. Just be glad that you don't have to deal with blue screen like those poor old PC gamers out there.

po0k

Originally posted by clownboy
Cr3m0,

Xbox doesn;t have the exact same architecture of a pc. not bottlenecks and no windows os running in the background.

It would get a medium performance outta HL2.

stfu. read up in future before you go spouting off at the mouth with that sort of bollcks.

I've had to type up a detailed reply to your ignorance 3 times allready, you really, really aren't worth a 4th.

Eejit.

mrblue

Meow!

Gummy Panda

Go **** your mother!!

Gummy Panda

Answer this!!

How come Apple Pc with 1.5 ghz can out perform P4 2ghz machines??

When you learn that a spec number isn't everything you'll be happy. I've seen 1.8 ghz machines get better performance then a 2.5 ghz machine. Why?? Because the hardware installed in the 1.8 ghx machine didn;t provide so many bottlenecks.

I'm in IT and my friends are and they agree with what i am saying.

And Ken was right. RetroGamer doesn;t know his ass from his elbow about games. he is a fanboy. The only people who seem to know their **** are shiniji, Ken and rubber matt!!

To the others **** you and these forums. I'm going back to the real gamers forums

Creamy Goodness

you do that

Deadwing

Originally posted by Cr3m0
hate to say this though HL2 and Doom3 will suck on the x-box so will GTA series cos it's basically 2 year old game and vice city is a year old.

as for half-life2 and doom3 there is no chance u can get an as good a playing experience as you can with the pc. ppl have started to upgrade their machines in order to play HL2 and they go a lot further than the x-box specs of 700mhz with 64mb ram.

The makers of HL2 themselves said that HL2 will run on lower end syttems, and that all the core gameplay will remain intact, only without some of the graphical sheen. So i dont see why it shouldnt run fine on an xbox, the only problem being the controller.

BlitzKrieg

GAWAN THE DREAMCAST!!!!!

honru

I own an Xbox, and I am currently in a situation where the majority of games don't appeal to me, with the exception of Halo and Panzer Dragoon Orta. Xbox Live also seems to be great, that and Halo 2 are the reasons I'm holding onto the console, but I do feel that its library is pretty empty of AAA games that are exclusive to the console.

monument

Originally posted by chernobyl
Get out of hear you Xbox fanboy!

I can do that, right?

Lets hope you can.

Will all the fanboys* please some what grow up.

It's not about what kind of computer is used, it's about the games.

(* = anyone who is willing to fall head over heals in love with a games format - "the xbox/cube/ps2 etc is the best")

jesus_thats_gre

It has been suggested that the Xbox, due to the streamlining of PC architecture, wil drastically outperfrom an equivelent spec'd PC. This is a fact.

HL2 is being developed with to run of P3 machines as a basic requirement with relatively good graphics cards. The Xbox will consistently outperform such a system, thus HL2 on the Xbox will run just as well as any PC version, just at a lower resolution.

I can see Retrogamers point, he is a fan of a particular style of game. The GC has this style of game in abundance, while the Xbox does not.

I've had to type up a detailed reply to your ignorance 3 times allready, you really, really aren't worth a 4th.

Type it up again will you, or paste it in?

m0o|Dino

all of yee stfu or else im giving yee a week ban

Closed.

nialler

As long as you have yer beer, a few spliffs who gives a flying sh1te what yer playing.

Everybody has their own preferences to what console they play, mine happens to be xbox and live, haven't touched an offline game since I've had it (but that's my preference), Sony and PS2 are now playing catch-up with SOCOM but lets see how that pans out with M$ having a head start in that market.

And yiz are right about quality games there's some absolute sh1te titles on all 3 the xbox suffers from terrible, sloppy ports of ps2 and PC games but there's also a few gems out there that'll have ya playing day in day out putting in 20-30 hours a week in some cases.

And whoever said they're to old to be playing games, grow up will ya, I'm 34 married with baggage and I'm still doin it (though I now use it as an excuse to escape the melee that goes on around me).

So will the fanbies and flamers relax get on with it, build yer online gaming communities and enjoy what ya got.

Nialler

po0k

Originally posted by clownboy
Answer this!!

How come Apple Pc with 1.5 ghz can out perform P4 2ghz machines??

What PPC chip? G3, G4, G4+, G5? What platforms for each?
Which OS?
Which app?
You've just spouted more bollocks. Congrats
Also, the motorola chips have a differing architecture to the P4. Different design.
You claimed that the XBox had a different architecture to a PC.
I disagree.
733Mhz Intel x86 cpu (closer to a Celeron with 133Mhz FSB then a P3 really), 64Megs of ram (Single channel SDR afaik, 133Mhz) with video memory sharing out of that too, 8gig hard drive, nForce-based chipset, with GeForce3-class graphics core.
The game ports ont he front are basically USB1.1 with modified jacks.
It has a 10/100Mbit ethernet port. I bet you if you looked hard enough (ie referenced the MAC address of it agaisnt the manufacturer's codes) it'd turn out to be a 3Com 905C-based dsp - just like the nVidia nForce and nForce2 boards in PCs today.

The reaso the XBox seems to run modern games as fast as a PC with beefier specs is because of 3 reasons:
(a)the XBox is a fixed platform. The code can be tweaked to take advantage of every resource, only one code-path has to be written for the different engines (3D, physics, AI, audio etc.), and the code can be highly optimised. Chipsets from ATi and nVidia give similar results but achieve them in disparate ways. Coders have to create different code paths (Ie programmable shaders) for each chipset even with DirectX apps. We haven't really moved past coding games to take advantage of individual graphics accelerators (eg. the days of PowerVR and VooDoo1s), we've just smoothed over it.
(b) the XBox doesn't have to render stuff at as high a qualty as is expected on a PC. ie lower resolution (anything over 640x480 is a waste of time on anything less then a HDTV), lower frame rate (50fps for PAL, 60fps for NTSC - half those again for interlaced modes), LOD (level of detail) Bias, mipmapping, draw distance, AI - enemies in FPSes don't have to be terribly smart or hard to kill, the controller makes it difficult enough, Halo being a perfect example.
(c) your average couch jockey is blissful in his ignorance and wouldn't care either way.

When you learn that a spec number isn't everything you'll be happy. I've seen 1.8 ghz machines get better performance then a 2.5 ghz machine. Why?? Because the hardware installed in the 1.8 ghx machine didn;t provide so many bottlenecks.

be more specific.
What systems are we talking here? 1.8 opteron vs. 2.5celeron?
What apps, OS, platform etc. again?
Please, stop spouting buzzwords.

I'm in IT and my friends are and they agree with what i am saying.

you and your friends are morons.
And you have just made be laugh quite hard.
Here, look what you've gone and made me do....I've spluttered tea all over the screen...thanks

And Ken was right. RetroGamer doesn;t know his ass from his elbow about games. he is a fanboy.

True.

The only people who seem to know their **** are shiniji, Ken and rubber matt!!

no comment

btw, I get the distinct smell of management/marketing/sales off you and your posts.
what is your exact job discription?

To the others ["fu[i][/i]ck" is what I think you meant] you and these forums. I'm going back to the real gamers forums

ttyl gl hf faeg lololololol

etc.

po0k

Originally posted by clownboy
And remember,

your processor is only as faster as its connecting devices.

Originally posted by clownboy
And remember,

your processor is only as faster as its connecting devices.

What the flying christ-on-a-bike do you mean by that little pearl of wisdom?

And you say you work "in IT"......doesn't surprise me


So....are those new toner cartridges any easier to refill nowadays?

Gummy Panda

Its pretty clear that you are a PC fanboy and that you are intimidated by €200 system that can play games that you thought were only for your €2000 pc.

p.s. My friends enjoyed your reply!! Lets just say that boards.ie seems to be filled with the rejects from todays industries who read a few pages of A+ book and think they know it all. I'll stay on the UK forums.

Sarky

Hmm.

Does Stormfront have a games section, by any chance?:)

vasch_ro

Personally I rather enjoy my xbox and have no major complaints about it
i have PC as a well and between them all my gaming needs are catered for
at the end of the day it comes down to personal choice over which one you prefer
in the same fashion that people like and drive different types of car , so do they with consoles , the cars do the same thing will get you to the same place at the end of the day ,
the consoles all play games enjoyment is gained

C64's are ancient and very outdated but some people still swaer it was the best gaming machine ever (even in its console incarnation) again its just a dif view.

I think the X box has alot to offer and definately has some good games on the way , with all the trouble and strife in the world is it too much to ask for a little more maturity and peace on the boards and a maybe a little respect for each others opinions misinfomed as they maybe
My two European cents worth

logic1

Clownboy, Syxpak has put forward several strong, well researched and factually accurate arguments to you interspersed with his own delectable form of wit.

You rebutted his argument by suggesting he was a delusional "PC fanboy". To be totally honest this is pathetic.

If you're an IT wizard and have a group of hardcore IT friends one would assume ye could at least combine your collective cerebrum and formulate a semi-plausable argument.

If this is the standard of debate we are to expect from your group of hardened IT Einsteins then maybe it is best you continue to grace the UK with your astounding intellect rather than lower the collective IQ of boards.ie with your mumbling incoherence.

.logic.

Creamy Goodness

also just to get one thing straight i never said that hl2 and doom3 would be ****e on the x-box i just think it will be better on the pc due to several factors.


1. no crappy control pad
2. the game is being designed solely for the pc gamer in mind.
3. pc's give better framerate and resolutions.

i_am_dogboy

Originally posted by SyxPak

733Mhz Intel x86 cpu (closer to a Celeron with 133Mhz FSB then a P3 really), 64Megs of ram (Single channel SDR afaik, 133Mhz) with video memory sharing out of that too, 8gig hard drive, nForce-based chipset, with GeForce3-class graphics core.

i think the chipset is very similar to the nforce220 or 220D, cant remember the exact name, but with wider buses, so it should be able to transfer data slightly faster than a pc of similar spec, but i do mean slightly

monument

Originally posted by clownboy
Its pretty clear that you are a PC fanboy

It's pretty clear that you're a Xbox fanboy

Originally posted by clownboy
that you are intimidated by €200 system that can play games that you thought were only for your €2000 pc.

"€200 system" what? The Xbox is not a 200 Euro system, that may be its selling price, however the Xbox is a loss making product.

Originally posted by clownboy
p.s. My friends enjoyed your reply!! Lets just say that boards.ie seems to be filled with the rejects from todays industries who read a few pages of A+ book and think they know it all. I'll stay on the UK forums.

As you were talking about intimidation it's funny you're intimidated by such "rejects from todays industries" - BTW who are you talking about?

Gummy Panda

Originally posted by clownboy
Cr3m0,

Xbox doesn;t have the exact same architecture of a pc. not bottlenecks and no windows os running in the background.

It would get a medium performance outta HL2.

This is my original post and for that i have been flamed and have flamed back.

Even in SyxPak lastest post, he says that xbox seems to run games that require a beefer pc.

I just didn't go to the bother of posting specs up that are around the net since the xbox's lanuch.

I couldn't be arsed to be honest. I don't know why SyxPak lose it when i original posted this. It seems he is pissed off with a lower spec console having games that should be exclusive on his PC. i can understand, as a person who spent hundreds on upgrades over time.

And i'm not a xbox fanboy. i had all three consoles at one stage. i only have the xbox now because i got broadband and LIVE takes up most of my gaming time.

And about the cpu only being as fast as its connectting devices. i'm not going to bother posting up material on process management, threads and I/O devices.

Now i have asked Shiniji to put a ban on me so when one of you flames me, i won;t come back and start a flaming war.

There seems to be a *click* going on here and i have upset one of it members by having different views.

cya later

monument

Originally posted by clownboy
There seems to be a *click* going on here and i have upset one of it members by having different views.

Most people here have different views to others on many topics.

It has more to do with how you debate (see the post by logic).

If you're fed up of replying to something try some thing like "I don’t want to continue talking about this" and not just "Go **** your mother!!" or my IT friends back me up etc….

You can also unsubscribe to the threads!

Gummy Panda

Sorry,

When i was told to stfu and called an Eejit, that was my first response.

Now i don't want to talk about this anymore.

honru

So... anyone looking foward to Halo 2?

moridin

... maybe if it had a mouse

Damn consoles and their non mouse/keyboardness.

Shinji

JESUS CHRIST ON A STICK WHEN ARE MUPPETS GOING TO LEARN TO SPELL THE WORD "CLIQUE"?

I'm not going to ban you. No martyrs here. But be more polite in future, and learn to debate properly rather than acting like you're in a pub slagging match after twelve pints, eh?


By the way, the point about the Xbox being able to play more advanced games than a similarly specced PC is true, if a little moot - after all, not many people out there are running PCs with 733Mhz CPUs, Geforce 3 cards and only 64Mb of shared graphics and main RAM, now are they? The RAM is a very big limiting factor in what you can do with Xbox games, and that's why fitting Doom III onto the Xbox (for example) will be tricky - because the lighting methods it uses are real memory hogs.

Oh, and out of interest... You say that you work in IT? Well... Okay, I've worked with some IT managers in the past who couldn't find their backsides with a map and both hands, but I'm still a little surprised that if you claim to be an IT professional you don't know that the answer to the question:

"How come Apple Pc with 1.5 ghz can out perform P4 2ghz machines??"

... Is that the Apple systems run on PowerPC processors rather than x86 processors, and that since they're a completely different chip architecture you can't compare clock speeds directly. Clock speeds only work as performance comparisons across exactly similar architecture - you can't even directly compare Intel and AMD clock speeds, never mind x86 and PowerPC or x86 and StrongARM!