Here we go again with the games and the killin'!!!

mewso

This in a news article on the school shootings in Colorado:-

LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) - Columbine High School gunman Dylan Klebold was a follower, not a leader, who went astray after he met Eric Harris, friends say.

In Cub Scouts, he was a bright, dedicated boy who worked hard for his badges. He also got along well with his older brother.

But four years ago, he met Harris, who died along with him in the school library Tuesday after launching a gun-and-bomb attack on fellow students.

``Dylan was real quiet, real smart,'' said Nick Baumgart, 17, a senior who met Klebold in grade school. ``When Eric and Dylan got together, Eric changed Dylan's demeanor. Dylan was a follower, who was constantly looking for someone to lead.''

The two got their own home computers, and linked them with modems.

``They had death matches with violent computer games, matching computer to computer,'' Baumgart said. ``I don't believe violent video games lead to violence, but this was different. They'd play these games for hours and hours and hours.''

Oh no they played for hours. Yeah that'll get ye. I also noticed the luckless Network 2 cancelled their showing of "Things to do in Denver when you're dead". It's true amazingly enough.

M

Slosh

Morons..

Dupre

Yeah - a so-called 'expert' on Sky News the other night highlighted the fact that the Internet had a large part to play in the whole thing. Although he didn't straight forwardly say it was part of the problem, he did imply it.

Seems that from now on many so-called 'experts' will be pointing the finger for every killing and massacre at the Internet and computer games.

Handy enuf if criminals don't want to plead insanity ...

"Oh your honor ... it was the internet and computer games that made me do it ..."

What a pile of ****e.

[This message has been edited by Dupre (edited 22-04-99).]

gandalf

Yeah typical of those stupid yanks,

The Internet was to blame, not the fact you can buy a f*ckin machine cannon over the counter

"I'm using it to hunt wabbits..dribble, dribble".

The land of the free me arse, more like the Land of the AK47.

Burn Hollywood Burn,

Gandalf.

Astfigal

2Phuckin right, what about the nra, more like the biggest bunch of phucking a*seholes if I ever saw one, no phuckin way are they giving their to own weapons, the way I see it nuke em it's the only answer

LoLth

Well, according to the States then, I'm rightly ****ed up!

I play 'violent computer games'

I use the internet regularly

And, horror of horrors, I play the dreaded mind****erupper Dungeons & Dragons <gasp!>

Now for the news.

In a statement about how to spot 'violent teens' it has been said (I don't know how to do that quotey thingy with UBB code so you'll have to settle for copy and paste ))

<Turf battles and cliques are common enough in America's high schools. So are teen-agers who rebel through the clothes they wear or the hobbies they choose, whether it's collecting World War II weaponry or playing Dungeons and Dragons fantasy games. But counselors, educators and students wonder how to tell between and deadly intent. >

the artice goes on to describe the 'warning signs' as : unusual interests, violent preferences in entertainment etc...

My opinion: What a load of ******! Some points are good, but by and large they are taking the blame off the individual and putting it squarely on a: the people around him/her b: peer pressure. 'Evil doesn't exist! It's just misunderstood.' Crap! Society didn't turn those two kids into stone killers, there had to be a seed there already.

now. another thing of interest.

Colorado was, even before this tragedy, discussing a bill on allowing civilians to carry concealed firearms! Despite what would appear to be common sense, hte bill application has NOT been dropped. The proponents of the bill claim that 'If a teacher had been armed he/she could have stopped the killings at the school' .

I know not all Americans are stupid, but please... maybe they are all concentrated in Colorado public offices...

Anyway, anyone else got any interesting scapegoat stories. Any odds going on the internet/computer game one becoming the new favourite of the masses and media?

J.

Rev Hellfire

I know exactly what your talking abouut, why the very same thing happened to me. I used to live in a small backwater town called monaghan, and for a while there was a series of killing, you know the usual bodies with no heads in the drains, cats nailed to doors, etc.
It could have been anyone but they tried to frame it on me, and just cos I played frogger when I was young. Oh yea maybe its cos I also collected stamps at the time.

DeVore

I live in the "inner city" and the way I look at it is that there are 1.5 million people in dublin and only 4 of their heads turned up in the tip outside my door....

Dev.

Draco

Streetwise (that sh1te network 2 consumer affairs programme) had a piece last night on computer games effects on kids. The had this mother on who went on on and on about how she didn't like her son (who was about 10) to play games with a 15 rating. She struck me as the sort of person that would turn around and blame the games her son play on any disbehaviour. On the side of computer games they had the editor of a gaming mag who pointed out that the rating system does exist to tell parents that some games are not suitable for their kids. But I have a feeling that most mothers watching the program would side with the parent and ignore the professional gamer.

Unfortunately blaming computer games for warping kids minds is spreading over here fast.

Draco

ButcherOfNog

we can't let them get away with pinnin this rap on us gamesplayers, time to arm up & lock n load.

on an different note, you can buy AK-47's from various U.S. Armament Auction websites, all you need is a VISA card and they post it out to you, and as interal post doesn't go through customs ..... Also availble were "gas grenades" with "fully functional" in big revolving letters after it. check out some of those auction sites, its actually unbelivable. fancy an M60? np sir, we've 2 for sale. the M60, thee heavy Machine Gun for home defense in the 90's

Lemmy

Yea like mount a radar controlled mini gun with built in grenade launcher on your balcony ...... ta keep the neighbours away like .....Krazy yanks !! hmpf..

Shinji

Ahahahahahah! Someone just called Ian a "professional gamer"..... LOL!

Ahem. Sorry. I happen to work for the man... He uses a Mac, and never touched a playstation until 9 months ago. But he can sure twist a story.

I thought we did a nice fix-job on the Streetwise program actually. They wanted to do a feature which would show up games as being EEEEVVVILLLL, and essentially, we tried to appear to be as co-operative as possible, while at the same time undermining them completely. The coup de grace was when they asked for video footage of a game to show... and were given... Outcast. Yup, a game with practically no violence and a lot of exploration and character interaction.

I personally think that N2 managed to make themselves look very silly with that program, and I hope it did the games industry some good, because it sure was fun messing it up...

Mata ne!
Rob

Dupre

Hmmmm - who ever said the CIA were masters of debunking? They obviously hadn't heard of Shinji & Co.

OSiriS

Exactly how mny of us internet gamers are serial killers?
uh why is everybody lookin at me...
*ahem*

Von

Well they're blaming marilyn manson now. Cos he like wears makeup! And Keanu Reeves too. Cos he wore a coat in some film. Coats!!

gandalf

Yep Coats, Millons have been killed by them......

Marilyn Manson oh Yeah Burn 'im on the cross....

Here btw have I shown you my new Vulcan M61 Machine Cannon its for hunting wabbits you know


Gandalf (Wearing his Star Striped Cuddles Jacket)

damo

must shoot and bomb hobbes, must shoot and bomb hobbes, must shoot and bomb hobbes, must shoot and bomb hobbes, must shoot and bomb hobbes, must shoot and bomb hobbes, must shoot and bomb hobbes..........

DEATH

according to the good old folks at fox news
making doom levels makes u suitable to kill loads of

http://www.foxnews.com/stage12.sml

Kegser

I'd really love to know how you knew that Nog. You scary man you.

Kegs.

Shinji

In fairness Nog.... It's not that hard to find offensive weaponry here either. Just hunt any nearby stone walls and cattle sheds... They don't even ask for Visa cards! However you may find your kneecaps wandering away on their own, but it's a small price to pay for state-of-the-art military hardware!

Mata ne!
Rob

Dupre

http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/scitech/042299/columbine.sml:

Has anybody seen the amount of flak that computer games are taking in this article?
The whole thing is a non-stop attack on the internet and computer gaming.

It did manage to come up with one gem however {must have taken them hours to get this one}:

"Parents should know what their kids are getting into,"

Now there's an idea. When your kids are walking by with Steyrs, M203's and grenades, be a good parent and kindly ask them if they are going out to 'play' or going to take part in a massacre of some sort.

Von

Hmm Hobbes is over in the US...He's played all these mind warping violent video games...has no doubt seen films where people wear trenchcoats...ALERT THE AUTHORITIES...HE'S A HUMAN TIMEBOMB!!

ButcherOfNog

kegs, i was doing a wee search trying to find the armor thickness on a SU-152. one of the results was a lovely site
www.moreammo.com
their rather catchy slogan, "Shoot all you want, we'll make more" caught my imagination an i decided to see what you could buy in the line of weapons on the net.

WhiteWashMan

personally i blame it on drinking too much bottles of 'champagne' cider.
wow. i cought myself swinging out of the chandeliers last night (impressive thst)
and for anybody whos read robert rankin......
wheres my general electrics 7.64 mm chaingun (like the one blaine uses in predator )
white(there you goin city boy?)wash

Draco

I seen in the Time yesterday the NRA are holding a national confrence in Denver next month...they're going to be welcomed with open arms....

Dra-(guns for show, knives for the pro's)-co

damo

i agree von, hobbes must be 1/ tortured then 2/ killed

Kegser

I have another query Nog, why were you searching for the armor thickness of an SU-152? What is an SU-152 is the next thing I'd like to know...

Kegs.

Von

I'll hazard a guess and say it's a WWII Russian Tank Destroyer. It's 90mm main gun is ideal for home defence and hunting.

ButcherOfNog

good guess, its a WWII Russian Assault Gun armed with a 152mm main gun. Was used in an AT role as well.

Von

Ah i got it mixed up with the SU 85 I think. Answer the question. What are you looking up Tank specs for? You up to something?

ButcherOfNog

Close Combat 3 - The Russian Front. Damn Russian SU-152's were gettin on my tits. No detailed specs on the armor included with the game.

Shiminay

I don't wanna upset Riker (and his Da), but Americans Are Stupid.

Blaming computers for the actions of idiots is not the answer...

It's the samne old story - the latest "craze" is being blamed for the menkal ppl doing menkal things. It was Rock 'n' Roll then Rock, then Heavy Metal, now it's Computers, Computer Games and the Internet.

It's getting old at this stage...

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All the best,

Dav
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http://homepage.tinet.ie/~davitt

LegacyUser

I said it before and i'll say it again Americans are stupid.

I has on holidays once and met some amreicans. When they found out where I was from, they asked Where Belfast was in Dublin
and wouldn't accept that it was over 100 miles away.

Von

Aye Butcher. close combat 3 is deadly. I have the first 2. Had CC3 demo but I'll give you some games when I get full version unless you can "lend" me a copy.

ButcherOfNog

Atomic should b strung up. The release versions AI had some woefull problems, things that didn't happen in CC2. Like the AI always buying twice as much armor as it should have (like theres an obvious bug if ever i seen it). Theres a patch out which has sorted those out. the maps are much better and theres some nice new things like commanders with a command radius. single player is now very good. however, they messed up the multiplayer code ,it isn't very stable and they ain't gonna fix it. check out http://cc3.gamestats.com for patches, new maps and converted maps. i haven't tried multiplayer yet on it but if the multiplayer bug isn't as bad as is being made out then i'd be on for some serious crushing of your puny troops.

KrPtoRChiLD

Hmmmm ! OK fair enuff ...AMERICA does have a dip**** society and they DO talk a lot of **** but dont ye see....any publicity ..be it good or bad is great for people like ye cos it always guarantees success for sales in games which in turn enocurages more developers to the games development sector? Any violent game released and criticised for being violent has always done well if it is at all playable !
However ye aint exactly in a good positin to slag americans since ye spend so much time and effort and money playin a fukkin game that it doesnt say much about ye either ! Some of ye let it affect yer lives dramatically and to be fair some(in the minority mind you !!)play it for a laff and couldnt give a fukk about it !
One thing is that most of ye take it way tooooo seriously which questions definitely yer mentalities !
Having browsed through the many pictures of that quakapolooza thingy it didnt really surprise me that there were a few lets say "older " people playin ! SAD SAD SAD Have they nothin better to do ???! Of course they are perfectly entitled to do as they please as I am perfectly entitled to comment on that ! In general Id have to say yer so called "Quake Community" is nothin more than 90s nerds thinkin that the world revolves around a game (Note : There are exceptions always!)
Nothin shows this more than a few nights ago mr cave and a few others were using or trying out that battlecom thingy for q2 ! this was pointless since they still went on typin on irc at the same time ???? Highly annoying ! At one poiont someone said somethin along the likes of " WAN THE ABC " as a joke of course ! Ignornat Cave replies "ABC ! Who de fukk are dey ???" and laughs to himself for a while ! Lads , what the fukk is Quake is a question most of the planet would ask you if you mentioned it to them ? Why????? Cos None knows about yer nerd society and NOONE cares !
In a way ye are no different to the americans so its ironic that ye are slaggin them

Shinji

Ahahhahaha..... Yeah Dave you're an ignorant whoor like.... Not knowing who ABC were.... Ahahahaha.....

Oh no hang on....

Who the hell are ABC?

I mean, I can think of several things it could mean.... But none of them make any sense in that context...

Peewee.... you're a muppet. You're the sort of person who should never have been told about freedom of speech without first being told about freedom of kneecapping. In fact, before that even, you should have been told about basic punctuation, spelling, and grammar.

You sad sad little man. Who's the greater idiot... The fool, or the fool who follows him? The "nerds", or the nerd who develops an obsession about them?

And.... who cares what age people are? Does it make them somehow less human?

Mata ne!
Rob

ButcherOfNog

hmmmm Peewee has an obsession with us? that makes me feel dirty, i'm off for a shower

and ABC are a UL q2 clan i think, or an 80's pop sensation led by martin fry.

KrPtoRChiLD

Hmm ! Nerds always were smart****e geeks so keep comin with the abuse little nerdlings ...its not my fault ye cant face up to reality !

KrPtoRChiLD

as for the ABC story ! the way it went was that ABC are also a clan but Cave went on about the fact that ABC are nobodys ...AS IF DOOZER ARE FUKKIN ANYBODIES ???? Ye are all nobodies ! Do somethin that the rest of the world has an interest in or even the community has an interest in and then you can claim to be somebodies but a QUAKE CLAN = BIG SHOTS ??? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

FreaK_BrutheR

QUAKE IS FAEG!!!!!!

Von

I used to be a St Pats Athletic supporting football hooligan before I played quake. This is less sad. I bet Pee Wee has about 2 gigs of gay and animal porn on his HD.

Vorosha

Is QUAKE just a silly game, that forces you to act this way?

I was wondering the other day if I should give up QUAKE. I murdered all these kids in this national school in some quiet country parish.

The real turning point was when this one kid looked EXACTLY like a grunt from QUAKE. It was like second nature I just kicked his face in.

That's when I knew quitting QUAKE was the only thing to do...
... I didn't quit tho and so the river of blood flows on.

Got any little brothers or sisters? Send them to school with a coupla AK-47's in their lunchboxes. I may try to kill them.

WhiteWashMan

cool
can ya dcc me some of the animal pron peewee?
on the other hand, i can think of several more depressing and sad ways than sitting all by yourself in a darkened room playing with yourself and having orgasms from perfect railgun shots.
writing to this board and trying to be mature and big and sensible and change peoples perspective is near the top of my list. right behind soapbox preaching.

course, thats only my opinion.
but its right
white(hohoho i am santa)wash

Hobbes

Read the Slashdot.org post I dumped out. It's long, but I think it pretty much sums it all up. I honestly don't know what went through those two sick minds, but I can relate to it after reading slashdot.org's news.

Hobbes

Ooops didn't realise the posting had turned to the surreal. Happy to see I still have Damo fuked up in the head.