What the Fudge causes snot? - Achew....

Saruman · 10-07-2003 8:16am #1

Sorry i have had a cold all week and its pissing me off a little.. If only i could take time off work but damn it im training someone and im the only one who can do that it seems.. grr..

Anyway anyone know what causes the constant runny nose when you have a cold? I mean where does it all come from?? I know its mucous, i think its even supposed to be protection from germs or something and a cold makes you loose control over its production and it constantly runs or something? Anyway anyone know? Also any suggestions other than lemsip and stuff like that? Any great natural product people swear by that drug companies dont want us to know about? Conspiracy theory..

Beëlzebooze · 10-07-2003 9:30am

from www.coldresearch.org

Daily, about 1 litre of mucus secretion takes place in nose. Mucus traps most of the irritants, allergens, microbes in about 13,000 litres of air we breathe in. And also, it moistens the dry air before it enters the lungs. The trapped infecting/irritating agents along with mucus are beaten towards throat by cilia (the tiny hairs of the epithelial cells of nasal mucosa), which one either swallows or spits out. When mucus is swallowed in, the infecting agents are destroyed by the stomach acids.

The mucus of nose is composed of :-

Secretions from goblet cells

Secretions from serous glands

Leakage of plasma from the capillaries (NOTE THIS IMPORTANT POINT)

It is the plasma part of mucus which increases extraordinarily during allergic reaction and viral infection.

Saruman · 10-07-2003 10:20am

Plasma... such a wonderful word... in Startrek its bassically Exhaust from the engines Ionised gas).. also a weapon and can be use to create energy.

In medical terms i have heard it used as another word for blood.. Now its also mucus... such a versatile word it is.. hmm so is a plasma TV full of snot then?

Or maybe blood.... No probably the Ionised gas one. ww)

So anyway why cant someone make something to shut off the plasma flow or at least regulate it... its the most annoying thing about a cold. All other symptoms i can live with.. the stuffy runny nose and constantly having to use tissue is just a pain!

[edit] oh hang on just looked at the site you linked and it actually has some crackpot ideas... i like it.. im gonna give it a go.. nice one

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bizmark · 10-07-2003 10:25am

engine plasma is super heated gas i bleave you need a nuke reactor or fussion reactor to make it

blood plasma hold white blood cells platelets etc etc to shut it off would mean death

if i remember bilogy right (i have been wrong before though lol)

STaN · 10-07-2003 10:35am

plasma is the 4th state of matter after gas, solid, liquid.

Beëlzebooze · 10-07-2003 11:34am

blood plasma consists of water, salts, proteins, antibodies, carbohydrates.

it's also what your blood cells, use to get around the place. (acctually that's not quite true, the bloodcells have no say in the matter, they go where the plasma takes them, bloodcells don't swim, they float

)

Beëlzebooze · 10-07-2003 11:36am

Secretions from goblet cells

so now you also know where "gobbing" comes from.

catspring · 10-07-2003 12:03pm

saruman, sudafed (maybe spelt sudofed) are tablets that you can buy in the chemist and are very good for "drying up" a cold.

Lafortezza · 10-07-2003 12:24pm

Originally posted by Beëlzebooze
from www.coldresearch.org

Daily, about 1 litre of mucus secretion takes place in nose.
The trapped infecting/irritating agents along with mucus are beaten towards throat by cilia (the tiny hairs of the epithelial cells of nasal mucosa), which one either swallows or spits out. When mucus is swallowed in, the infecting agents are destroyed by the stomach acids.

The mucus of nose is composed of :-
Secretions from goblet cells
Secretions from serous glands

my lunch isn't sitting so good after reading all that..

bizmark · 10-07-2003 12:26pm

why ?

Saruman · 10-07-2003 1:14pm

hehe.. i tried on of the things he says on the site... putting a little cold water into the palm of my hand and holding one nostril closed while eh snorting it... id anyone had seen they might have thought me doing Coke... then remember its me and thats impossible

Anyway it cleared me up for abour 10 mins

MrNuked · 10-07-2003 2:45pm

notice the way you never have a blocked nose in a nightclub?
Think it's because of the smoke. It stops you producing mucus properly or something.
Might also be why your lungs fill up with phlegm about a week after stopping smoking.

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 7:24pm

Originally posted by Beëlzebooze
Secretions from goblet cells

Secretions from serous glands

Leakage of plasma from the capillaries (NOTE THIS IMPORTANT POINT)

It is the plasma part of mucus which increases extraordinarily during allergic reaction and viral infection.

/me resists the urge to go off onlong detailed diatribe about mucosal epithelia......

Why cant you guys post stuff like this on science

bizmark · 10-07-2003 7:28pm

cause then we dont need to read something we wont understand and have to pretend we have a vage idea of what the hell your talking about

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 7:34pm

Originally posted by bizmark
cause then we dont need to read something we wont understand and have to pretend we have a vage idea of what the hell your talking about

Oh come on Biz, I always dumb it down to your level

bizmark · 10-07-2003 7:38pm

i dont thing that can be done

dont worry though you just blow on and ill nod in a vage but reasureing way

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 7:41pm

Originally posted by bizmark
i dont thing that can be done

dont worry though you just blow on and ill nod in a vage but reasureing way

Better pray I never end up consulting on any medical treatment you get then

bizmark · 10-07-2003 7:46pm

ya umhm sure doc sure ....... so you say my lungs are filling with this stuff called blood hmmmmmmmmmm very interesting

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 7:56pm

I was thinking more like:

Dr. Hibbert: Homer, I'm afraid you'll have to undergo a coronary bypass operation.

Homer: Say it in English, Doc.

Dr. Hibbert: You're going to need open-heart surgery.

Homer: Spare me your medical mumbo-jumbo.

Dr. Hibbert: We're going to cut you open and tinker with your ticker.

Homer: Could you dumb it down a shade?

Ahh...the simpsons...there's nothing it can't relate to....

bizmark · 10-07-2003 8:01pm

eh only pesents like you would watch such shows!

doc hibbers eh is he the guy you releate with the most ?

:ninja: "sykeir" the knee bone connected to the leg bone the leg bones connected to the hip bone the hip bones connected to the something the red things connected to my wrist watch! ::p

Victor · 10-07-2003 8:06pm

Through the wonders of Darwinism, some infections actually promote the production of mucous / phlegm that when you sneeze it spread the infection agent.

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 8:15pm

Originally posted by Victor
Through the wonders of Darwinism, some infections actually promote the production of mucous / phlegm that when you sneeze it spread the infection agent.

Indeedy.

But thats not (or in a common typo I make "that snot") all, intestinal pseudo-commensals H. Pylori have learned to use the mucous layer in your stomach to their advantage in colonization.
Its thought that campylobacter have a similar trick.

HP especially is now one of the main suspects in Crohn's Disease and IBD.

bizmark · 10-07-2003 8:18pm

see what you started.He was just itiching to get that out of his system

and as suspected i have no clue what was just said "nods his head in a reasureing maner"

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 8:23pm

Originally posted by bizmark
see what you started.He was just itiching to get that out of his system

and as suspected i have no clue what was just said "nods his head in a reasureing maner"

*sigh*

There are some bacteria, that are nomally nice, but that can turn nasty, that live in your stomach, that use the mucous (goo) covering your stomach wall, as a nice place to live.

People think they might cause ulcers and cancer.

Oh and Professor Frink is obviously the Simpsons character I relate too most. And I look like him!

bizmark · 10-07-2003 8:29pm

to be honest i have a good idea of what your on about ....... i wanted to keep the joke going for a while though HISONHOVEN

mucous protechs stomach produced by cell,s in the stomach wall once gone acids will burn through the wall causeing ulster,s etc etc etc

i think lol

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 8:40pm

Originally posted by bizmark
to be honest i have a good idea of what your on about ....... i wanted to keep the joke going for a while though HISONHOVEN

mucous protechs stomach produced by cell,s in the stomach wall once gone acids will burn through the wall causeing ulster,s etc etc etc

i think lol

Sort of

Actually, on topic, the mucous produced in different parts of the body is all very different.

Last caount there were 17 different genes that produce different types of mucous. Stomach/nose/respiratory system/reproductive systems all have really different types of mucous.

There are other peptides (proteins) called "trefoils" that are thought to be a composit of mucous especially in the vagina and stomach.

bizmark · 10-07-2003 8:45pm

17 different kinds! ...... bah i swear leaveing cert bio sucks when i did it we where though basicly the Stomach/nose/respiratory system had it in order to stop dirt etc getting to the lungs and protect the stomach from itself no one informed me of the rest (though i could have been "sick" those days):D

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 9:33pm

Originally posted by bizmark
17 different kinds! ...... bah i swear leaveing cert bio sucks when i did it we where though basicly the Stomach/nose/respiratory system had it in order to stop dirt etc getting to the lungs and protect the stomach from itself no one informed me of the rest (though i could have been "sick" those days):D

Yup, I dunno all the 17 but basically

Respiratory mucins (glycoprotein:sugar based proteins) are Mucin 4,Mucin 5B and Mucin 8

Intestinal are Mucin 2, Mucin 3 (types A &

and Mucin 5AC (there are more (mucin 6 is notable), these are the main)

Vaginal is Mucin 9.

Then there are others that are common.

bizmark · 10-07-2003 9:38pm

interesting ! ........ now we can get a game of "pick you nose and find out what type the snot is"

btw i hear their working on a drug or something to allow us to stay awake 24 hours a day .........is that true and wouldnt it kill us seeming we need to sleep in order to repair cells etc

this could be compleat **** seeming it was only on discovery

LoneGunM@n · 10-07-2003 9:55pm

I have to say, all this talk of snot has me urging for a good excavation of the nasal cavity

Anyway!!!!!

My favourite cold cure is a Limsip with a tot of whisky in!! Rock n' Roll

GuanYin · 10-07-2003 10:01pm

Originally posted by bizmark
interesting ! ........ now we can get a game of "pick you nose and find out what type the snot is"

btw i hear their working on a drug or something to allow us to stay awake 24 hours a day .........is that true and wouldnt it kill us seeming we need to sleep in order to repair cells etc

this could be compleat **** seeming it was only on discovery

Its something they claim to be doing every so often.
There is an old thread that goes into it in detail.

Anyway, sleep deprivation is usually fatal afetr a certain point because of the imbalance brains biochemsitry it causes. If they have something that circumvenst this (and about 4-5 other associated complications that I can think of) then maybe....

But my gut instinct would prevent me ever taking any.

Saruman · 11-07-2003 8:18am

After 3 or 4 water snorting sessions during the day yesterday.. i was pretty snot free by 9 last night.. just the odd bit.

This morning i had some phlegm but not too much in the way of a blocked nose... It seems to be clearing up quickly... could also be coincidence and regardless it would have cleared anyway.. so next time i get a cold i will have to try it out again.

crackpot idea or genius cure? One wonders

Lord Nikon · 11-07-2003 10:28am

Your nose is a filter for all the stuff you breath in during the day and night. If your snot is green, thats bad. If your snot is white, thats good. White is clean, green is dirty.

Are we learning now??

Trebor · 11-07-2003 10:43am

mine is see-through at the moment, what's that mean?

Saruman · 11-07-2003 1:06pm

Mine was sometmes clear and sometimes green/yellow when the cold was bad... today its mostly green the few times i have had to blow my nose. It always is when my colds go away.... There must be some reason for that..

GuanYin · 11-07-2003 1:08pm

Originally posted by Saruman
Mine was sometmes clear and sometimes green/yellow when the cold was bad... today its mostly green the few times i have had to blow my nose. It always is when my colds go away.... There must be some reason for that..

Green/Yellow is actually a sign of infection.

What the Fudge causes snot? - Achew....

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