Suicide

namuras

No, not a 'sympathy please' thread, just general views and stuff on the matter.

In America, I am not sure about Ireland, it is illegal and you can be arrested for trying to kill yourself. I think this is wrong, you are in charge of your life and nobody else has the permission to keep you alive or kill you. I think that suicide should be legalised, it would probably prevent the number of people attempting suicice as a 'cry for help' thing.

Some people will say suicide is really pathetic and a cowards way out. I beg to differ. It takes a hell of a lot of guts to cut your own wrists or jump off a bridge. Overdosing is the quick and easy way to do it and perhaps is a bit cowardly but many other methods take a lot of guts I reckon.

Apparently 1 in 3 people between the age of 13 and 19 seriously consider suicide. A lot of them do so because of pressure from exams or parents or from bullying. I have been really depressed in life before and though about it as a plausible option to take, but I know I would never have the guts to do it. People use suicide as a threat to other people, they think that by telling people they are going to kill themselves that they will get sympathy and their lives will be fine again.

So what do you think?
Should it be legal?
It is an easy way out?

Rnger

It just wouldn't right for the government to go around saying it ok for people to kill themselves. It shoudln't be legal and it isn't. Yeah it's an easy way out. Your not confronting the problems at hand or whatever is wrong.

Dustaz

are you going to tell us that you told us you were hardcore?




(wrong forum btw)

WhiteWashMan

no it shouldnt be legal, except in a euthanasia scenario.

i think it usually a cry for help, but i have little time for people who do it, and i have no sympathy for them because i think it is possible the most selfish thing anyone can do.

if you cant sort out your problems and resort to suicide, i think its an easy way out, instead of standing up and fighting on.

people who commit suicide have no respect or consideration for the people it leaves behind and effects. the grieving friends and families who will never get the chance to find out why, and they will spend a lifetime trying to understand and figure out why it happened, always thinking that they are to blame, and that they should have done something, or should hev tried to change something.
my friend threw himself of a cliff at dalkey quarry. loved him to bits, but his family is fúcked. he was the nicest bloke ever. would do anything for you. ar eal nice but dim type chap, who helped anyone and everyone.
never complained to anyone and then one day ended it all.
no one knows why, and no one understands. i sure as hell dont hold myself accountable, but his parents blame themselves, and even after about 5 years, they still havent got over it. he has ruined their life.

out there somewhere, you are the centre of someones universe. dont be so fúcking selfish.

Jim

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solice

in ireland you wont be arrested or charged with anything if you try to kill yourself. that doesnt happen anymore. instead the guards will tell your next of kin what happened and will give advice on how and where to get councelling, but its all completely voluntary on the part of the person who tried to kill themselves.

well thats what i heard

Victor

It is treated as a medical / mental health issue as opposed to a criminal one.

Originally posted by solice
in ireland you wont be arrested or charged with anything if you try to kill yourself. that doesnt happen anymore. instead the guards will tell your next of kin what happened and will give advice on how and where to get councelling, but its all completely voluntary on the part of the person who tried to kill themselves.

If someone is seen as a threat to themselves and / or others, some more direct intervention is warranted and usual.

Saruman

I think its both ways.. in one its bad... The family thats left beside.. grief aside.. what about a father of 3 who kills himself... forgets the fact he was the one supporting the family and now who will pay the bills?

Tellox

Im sorry, but this really is one of the stupidest threads I've seen on boards.ie.

Its not an easy way out,suicide is simply a permenant solution to a temporary problem.

Victor

what about a father of 3 who kills himself...

What about a father of 3 who kills himself... after killing his family?

Mossy Monk

i don't see it as an easy way out. i couldn't imagine what would be going through someones head to make them do it. it must be some really heavy stuff though

mavedic

I have always held the belief that you can do whatever you want to your own body - if someone is so unhappy that they would prefer not to be alive then who are we to tell them that they _have_ to live?

After having experience of someone very close to me attempting suicide and miraclously surviving without too much damage it put things into perspective. I couldn't help but feel angry at them for being so selfish, and not looking for help before they did it. It also made me feel partly to blame and I still feel guilty that I didn't know what was going on in the first place. It does f**k things up for those left behind, as there is no closure for anyone, just lots of guilt and confusion. Its never the best solution.

Euthanasia should be legalised under certain conditions....

Karl Hungus

Bit of a touchy subject...

Why on earth should it be Legalized!?!?
How on earth would that be any kind of deterant?

I agree, it is a very ****ing disasterous thing when it happens. Few years back, a friend of mine killed himself semi-accidentally, and it ****ing tore apart half of my group of friends within weeks. The guy was playing chicken with a few others, seeing who could get closest to a passing train, and he got hit. Complete waste of life, tbh.

About a week after, one of the guys who was with him at the time took his father's shotgun, and blew his brains out. His father worked with my father, and loads of **** was really just pouring from the sky at the situation.

One of my best friends at the time, who shared a birthday with the guy who was hit by the train basically went to the dogs, he went madly alcoholic and on drugs and all kinds of ****. We dont speak any more since, and last I heard of him, he's commited to the psychiatric ward in the regional. It's a dreadfull thing, and very sad when another friend of mine denies ever being friends with him in the first place.

But death, whether suicide or not, SERIOUSLY can mess everything up.

I do agree however, that Euthenasia should be legal.

Cake Fiend

Originally posted by namuras
It takes a hell of a lot of guts to cut your own wrists or jump off a bridge.

Idiot, it takes a hell of a lot of guts to face your problems and deal with them rather than running away from them in a terminal manner.

Saruman

Originally posted by Victor
What about a father of 3 who kills himself... after killing his family?

No i was pressed for time when i posted this, just about to go home from work so i may not have phrased it right.. i mean a father with a family.. he kills himself maybe because of so much debt he cant earn enough to pay off so he kills himself. However he is not thinking of the fact that his family relied in him to pay off the debts and while they were not all being paid off... at least the creditors were kept away... now no one is bringing in a wage and so nothing to keep them in their home etc...

Wook

damn should it not be your own decision ?
your own body and all ? And who gives a flying **** about honour and how tough you are facing whatever you 'need' to face when your 6 feet under ?
In the interest of population control 'go go go'

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

there's a much more interesting threasd about this on humanities..

GoneShootin

i am never ever committing suicide

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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you're not as pretty as her though gone..

GoneShootin

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WhiteWashMan

edited at request of The Gopher.

imp

Erm... suicide is legal in Ireland. It has been for something like four or five years now. Its illegal to assist someone's suicide or not to try to stop them from committing suicide.

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Silent Grape

i wish people would stop saying ignorant things about suicide. people are keeping the stigma and the stereotype alive by saying hurtful things like sucide being selfish.

actaully its the opposite. Many MANY depressed people see themselves as a burden and problem in their family's lifes. these people are medically ill, and nobody ahs the right to assume they're reasons or intent in killing themselves. a person can be in so much mental pain that suicide is the ONLY thing to end the suffering.

a mentally ill person tends not to think as logically as not mentall ill people. they cannot see and think clearly because the cloud of depression is covering their vision.

by saying that a person who kills themselves is selfish, u are saying a lot more about yourself. U are the selfish ones for only thinking of yourselves and the effect the suicide woulf have on YOU. what about the person who has died or attemped suicide? what is best for them? this person had to live with the sickness, U didnt and his family didnt.

NOBODY has the right to claim such stupid things as suicide being selfsih. maybe if u knew anything about it you'd have a different view. and know ing about it doesnt mean having a friend who killed himself. that doesnt mean you know what its like.

when i attempted suicide, i was thinking how i had solved all of my families problems. a LOT of suicidal people think like that. a suicidal person may have a very well thought out plan of how to do it, but the plan can be luacrious. ur logic and rational thinking gets well ****ed up. u have no idea of the conflict of emotions going on in a suicidal persons mind. they DONT WANT TO DIE, but they see it as the ONLY OPTION available to them. obviously it isnt the only option, but they mightend be well enough to be so self confident to ask for help. its NOT cowardice. ive lived with depression for years, and i think i am a VERY fukcing courageos person for doing just that. it also calls for a lot of courage to jump off the cliff or take the tablets, no matter which way u chose to do it, its just as courageos and scary. be lucky u arnt depressed, because u have no ideal what ur talking about.

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by Silent Grape
i wish people would stop saying ignorant things about suicide. people are keeping the stigma and the stereotype alive by saying hurtful things like sucide being selfish.

people say it because that what people believe.
what should people do, should they give it a make over and cool new image and make out that its really cool to throw your life away?

Originally posted by Silent Grape


actaully its the opposite. Many MANY depressed people see themselves as a burden and problem in their family's lifes. these people are medically ill, and nobody ahs the right to assume they're reasons or intent in killing themselves. a person can be in so much mental pain that suicide is the ONLY thing to end the suffering. .

now hang about, can you just run that entire passage there by me again?
actually, lets take it slow shall we?

Originally posted by Silent Grape


actaully its the opposite.

you think it isnt selfish?

Originally posted by Silent Grape

Many MANY depressed people see themselves as a burden and problem in their family's lifes.

ok. so the person who has just murdered themselves has thought that no-one loves them, that the world would be better off without them?
yes?

Originally posted by Silent Grape

these people are medically ill,

yep, they have killed themselves, id say thats pretty mentally ill, wouldnt you?

Originally posted by Silent Grape
and nobody ahs the right to assume they're reasons or intent in killing themselves.

easy there tiger, you just said that people who commit suicide are mentally ill. i guess by killing themselves, that whether you assume or not, they have already done it.

Originally posted by Silent Grape

a person can be in so much mental pain that suicide is the ONLY thing to end the suffering. .

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....................................

shall i put on the smashing pumpkins now and turn up for drama classes?

Originally posted by Silent Grape

a mentally ill person tends not to think as logically as not mentall ill people. they cannot see and think clearly because the cloud of depression is covering their vision. .

right, so you have previously said that mentally ill people who commit suicide think the world hates the, their families dont care, and that the have nothing to offer.
here you say they dont think straight, does this mean that all your points so far point towards everything that these people think are wrong, and that therefore they are worth something in the world, that there is love for them, and that is afterall very selfish?

Originally posted by Silent Grape


by saying that a person who kills themselves is selfish, u are saying a lot more about yourself. U are the selfish ones for only thinking of yourselves and the effect the suicide woulf have on YOU. what about the person who has died or attemped suicide? what is best for them? this person had to live with the sickness, U didnt and his family didnt.

you are so right!

oh my god, after all these years, its all my fault that people kill themselves. how selfish i was to have thought that. youre right, when i loved people who have done it, i was actually just covering up the fact that i thought they were so worthless that the world is abetter place without them.
damn, i hate when all that love goes for nothing!
yep, the familys and the friends have no rights at all.
all the mental anguish is just too much to bare, because no one loves them right?
no one cares about them right?

but hey, kill yourself and fúck the rest eh?

that will show the bástards! them and their false love and false hope, i know they dont really love me, they dont want to help.
sure, they will probably have a big party when im gone, thats if they even notice, which the wont.

Originally posted by Silent Grape

NOBODY has the right to claim such stupid things as suicide being selfsih. maybe if u knew anything about it you'd have a different view. and know ing about it doesnt mean having a friend who killed himself. that doesnt mean you know what its like. .

nobody has the right to claim such stupid things that suicide ISNT selfish.

im sorry, i dont subscribe to the view that people have to try to commit suicide to have a view on it.
what right do you have to think that you are an expert on the subject of how those who are left behind feel.
you sound pretty fúckin selfish to me little girl.

Originally posted by Silent Grape

ive lived with depression for years, and i think i am a VERY fukcing courageos person for doing just that. it also calls for a lot of courage to jump off the cliff or take the tablets, no matter which way u chose to do it, its just as courageos and scary. be lucky u arnt depressed, because u have no ideal what ur talking about.

you said you lived with depression.

who said it wasnt courageous.

i said killing yourself is selfish and a cowards way out.
living is the hard thing to do, dying is far too easy.

courageous to commit suicide?
who are you trying to fool?
you want people here to think its pretty cool?
that you will be some sort of a martyr for throwing yourself of a cliff, or downing a bunch of tablets?
hey kids, its cool to kill yourself!
its not courageous, its fúcking stupid.

but of course, i have no idea, becauase ive never bothered throwing myself of a cliff in a fit of wanton stupidity. i have far to much resepct for my own life

Originally posted by Silent Grape

when i attempted suicide, i was thinking how i had solved all of my families problems. a LOT of suicidal people think like that. a suicidal person may have a very well thought out plan of how to do it, but the plan can be luacrious..

youve already admitted that these scarey people are mentally ill, and cant think straight. and yet you still persist in trying to think its correct?
but thats it isnt it, you think its great, but everyone else thinks youre mad in the head!
why would you kill yourself?

Originally posted by Silent Grape

DONT WANT TO DIE, but they see it as the ONLY OPTION available to them. obviously it isnt the only option, but they mightend be well enough to be so self confident to ask for help. its NOT cowardice.

asking for help is not cowardice.

killing yourself is.


by the way, after reading several of your posts about suicide and self cutting and stuff, i seriously think you should talk to someone. you really really seem to have some issues that you need to deal with, and coming on here and telling people that cutting and suicide is a way of getting away from lifes problems is not healthy.
no one should have to go through anything like what you mention.

i am not having a go at you personally, however i do think that the opinion you have expressed here is not a healthy one, and if this topic goes on much in the same vein as the cutting one it should be closed.

Sangre

Originally posted by Silent Grape


.ive lived with depression for years, and i think i am a VERY fukcing courageos person for doing just that.

You want a fúcking medal?
What has that got to do with anything really except touting your own suicidal horn?

ive lived with depression for years, and i think i am a VERY fukcing courageos person for doing just that. it also calls for a lot of courage to jump off the cliff or take the tablets, no matter which way u chose to do it, its just as courageos and scary

You do realise that is a complete contradiction?
So basically no matter what you do, it is courageous? So you think you are some kind of hero for not killing yourself, while those who killed themselves are also heroes? Brave and courageous? Lets give them a medal of honour.

Would you please think about what you are saying and stop contradicting your own points.

I would have said more, put WWM hit it pretty much on the nail for me, it seems we agree on the whole suicide/self harm topic.

The Sweeper

It doesn't take courage to kill yourself.

It takes hopelessness.

Silent Grape

'little girl'? right, so not only are u ignorant stupid and a dumbass, ur also a patronising, self reightous, self indulgent thoughtless fool. somebody please close this thread. its getting too personal. taking the piss like you did just shows how scared u really are of mental illlness.
people with mental illness, if they're suicidal or not, deserve as much respect as everyone else. ur post shows no respect whatsoever for suicidal people.
and i AM seeing somebody, not that its any of ur business.

why do i always post about suicide when i KNOW that ignorant people who dont have a clue are going to reply?? guess its my own fault.

GoneShootin

id like to hear from Sideshow Mel

Mercury_Tilt

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Silent Grape

OR i can just accept that there are lot of useless dickheads in the world....

i was just trying to give my point of view, the point of view of one person who has been and is often suicidal. but i got attakced and had the piss taken out of me... now i feel much better...cheers

b3t4

I was going to leave this but anyways....

I think MAJD hit the nail on the head.

WWM might concider suicide to be a selfish action but I had a different experience.

My own experience went as follows.
(pointed because it makes it clearer in my head)

1. Spiralled into depression.
2. Visits to doctor, drugs precribed, money, money...
3. Weeks off school.
4. Days lying in bed when just can't face to face people.
5. Parents worry and siblings worry.
6. Went to a counsellor. more money.
7. (not so real) friends start to drift as they are sick of the not so happy you.
8. Depression gets worse.
9. Parents start to mention about the money that is being spent and how I should be "better by now" and that I didn't really need the counsellor.
10. I felt like a burden on everyone. I felt that without me in the world it would make everything ok for everybody else.

I had gotten help. I had taken the meds. I had spoken out about how I felt but I still felt like sh!t. At that point I saw no other option.

In reality of course this isn't true but at that time that is how I felt. My judgement was clouded and to me it made sense.

Rgds,
A.