Beyond 512kb ADSL

jesus_thats_gre

Anyone know what the plans are of Eircon and so on to begin rolling out faster xDSL services like those available in the UK. I see Eircom/Netsource and EsatBT all mention these service but availability is minimal. Any ideas when it start going city wide and to larger towns such as Dundalk?

Sloth

Lets try and get decent, stable, low ping 512k and capless services before we start worrying about even faster connections. Imagine Eircom rolling out a 2mb product with a 4gb cap :eek:

jesus_thats_gre

Well no, lets keeps rolling out newer and better technologies such as SDSL and VDSL so we can even sort of catch up with the rest of Europe.

MrPinK

SDSL isn't really suited for residential users, they don't need the upload speeds. ASDL can give faster speeds anyway. Of course VDSL would be nice but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. There's just not the market here to justify the billions that it would cost eircom to upgrade their lines.

I'd much rather seen a proper implentation of ADSL too. It's theoretically capable of 8 Mbps, so there's plenty of room for improvement.

jesus_thats_gre

Nah I want synchronous DSL, 6 of us here looking to so do some real online gaming..

Sloth

Time for you to move country then, it's not going to happen any time soon. I want a stable, no or high cap service with good contention and no letter R in it and no interleaving. Sure theres Esat Business but it just isn't widely available enough to be an option.

bizmark

id be happy just to get iol to ativate my god damn line before i die :mad:

-ADREN-

same

jesus_thats_gre

I love the attitude of people in this country, be happy with what your getting!!!!

Sloth

We're not happy with what we're getting but we're also not totally unrealistic about our chances of getting VDSL or 8mb DSL within the near future.

MrPinK

I don't think many ppl are happy. Have you seen all the bitching that goes on in this forum?

I'm pretty damn happy with my 512k netource connection at the moment. Would I like a faster connection? Yes. Would I like to pay about €1000 a month for a 52Mbps VDSL connection? No. If you don't like having to wait for them you can always go get a T3 line installed right now.

BKtje

Only people (afaik) that do a 1mb/256 service is eircom...and only business. However the price might not be as bad for uncapped 1mb/256 between 6 of you.

Drawbacks is that Eircom Business products use the full wack of interleaving. Have it here in work.
Dos ping to jolt is about 65-70. Fairly high im sure you'll agree.

Dont think there is a 1mb (or above) residential service.

Cuauhtemoc

Esat(business) do 512/256 for €90..1mb/256 for €205 or 2mb/256 for €400 all ex vat. Bit pricey and they're not very widespread .
I think they don't have interleaving on in their exchanges either which is a big plus(feel free to correct me if im wrong).

Edit: All these services are uncapped as well. And they will connect to residential(assuming you can afford it).

paddyman

"Of course VDSL would be nice but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. There's just not the market here to justify the billions that it would cost eircom to upgrade their lines"

"We're not happy with what we're getting but we're also not totally unrealistic about our chances of getting VDSL or 8mb DSL within the near future"

This may not be neccessary or unrealistic. I put a post about a topic i read on another site before here but it never received any attention. I'll post it below. Do u's think it could be useful here or?



vdsl converter
seen this today at digitimes, think it could help us out over here.]


Planet launches Ethernet-over-VDSL converter
Press release; Chinmei Sung, DigiTimes.com [Tuesday 10 June 2003]


Planet Technology, a Taiwan-based networking and telecommunications equipment vendor, today announced its new Ethernet-over-VDSL (very high data rate digital subscriber line) converter.

The device, powered by chip solutions from Infineon Technologies, is based on two core networking technologies: Ethernet and VDSL, which offer fast data transmission speed over existing copper telephone lines without the need for rewiring.

Fully compatible with Cisco Systems’s LRE (Long-reach Ethernet) switch and CPE (customer premise equipment) modems, the VDSL solution provides a much cheaper replacement and smooth migration for existing Cisco LRE networks, the company said.

The converter has a switching architecture with one RJ-45 10/100Mbps Ethernet port and one VDSL port with two RJ-11 connectors. When the VC-102-master is used to connect to a VC-102-slave as a standalone pair, up to five speeds can be selected by a DIP switch on the VC-102-master to compensate for connection distance.

The selected speed can be up to 15/17Mbps asymmetric data rate at 1.05km and up to 5/5Mbps asymmetric data rate at 1.5km.



The VC-102 Ethernet-over-VDSL converter. Courtesy of Planet Technology.

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/A...ages=PR&seq=211

flav0rflav

Eircom are not interested in providing much more than the current offering.

The best chance of SDSL (Symmetric DSL, g.shdsl), VDSL or even just higher speed ADSL is via competitors to eircom that go into the exchanges and connect their equipment to your telephone line.

This they can do via the new procedure called "Local Loop Unbundling", LLU.

Unfortuneatly the price of doing that is now up before the courts as eircom and comreg have disagreed about. At the moment they are fighting about the line rental cost, but a competitor has to also pay eircom to rent space in the exchanges. This, at the moment, is also very costly.

In the UK, the main providers of SDSL and potentially VDSL are LLU'ers.

Cuauhtemoc

Maybe i'm just cynical but i don't see eircom(or esat) rushing out to set up the equipment for this. It's taken them long enough to get adsl at a reasonable rate up and running.

Anyone know how much it would cost to setup an exchange for this?

MrPinK

From my understanding of the technology, the main problem with VDSL not with the exchanges. VDSL can only travel up to 1km on traditional copper wires. Most ppl don't live within 1km of an exchange, and Eircom can't go setting up exchanges all over the place. If you can't reach enough customers, it's just not worth upgrading your exchanges for VDSL. The approach that other telco's are taking is to place fibre-optic lines part of the way and then the you could be up to 1km of where these lines end. Digging up streets to lay down fibre-optics is a costly business, as NTL found out when they tried to do it.

Cuauhtemoc

Is it possible to offer vdsl over cable(eg NTL to reach their fibre network?
Ntl probably have more fibre within reach of homes(in the cities anyway) than eircom??
Would they then be in a better position to offer this as a solution in the future as the next step in their bb(or is it what they are doing?).

All if's and buts i know but still interesting to know what the next step will be(if we have one within our lifetime that is!!)

vibe666

it's nuts to think we are only just getting FRAICO here, and meanwhile in the USA they are starting to roll out vDSL, and there are people somewhere getting faster connections to the net than most people can get on an internal network.

Originally taken from How Stuff Works (vDSL)

DSL technology known as very high bit-rate DSL (VDSL) is seen by many as the next step in providing a complete home-communications/entertainment package. There are already some companies, such as U.S. West (part of Qwest now), that offer VDSL service in selected areas. VDSL provides an incredible amount of bandwidth, with speeds up to about 52 megabits per second (Mbps). Compare that with a maximum speed of 8 to 10 Mbps for ADSL or cable modem and it's clear that the move from current broadband technology to VDSL could be as significant as the migration from a 56K modem to broadband.

Makes you want to cry doesn't it.

jesus_thats_gre

What is the availability of the faster ADSL services such as the 1 and 2 meg services like Eircom enchanced. Does anyone know when this will go nationwide?

flamegrill

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
What is the availability of the faster ADSL services such as the 1 and 2 meg services like Eircom enchanced. Does anyone know when this will go nationwide?

All of eircom's products are available on a nationwide scale. Well to clarify on that, anywhere you can get RADSL you can get any of their other products. Thats from 110 exchanges which just about covers the exchanges in all the provincial towns in the country. You can even get ADSL in Athy Co. Kildare!!!

Carlow and Kilkenny will be live soon (even though some of us in carlow got in back in April *mind boggles*) and lots of other towns.

Esat have 40 exchanges enabled, and from what I can gather, they have no plans what so ever to go near anymore as that would mean them spending their own money as apposed to the governmnet. They made 18m euro last year which is quite a bit more than their 60m euro loss the previous year. God knows if that profit will be used for anything of any use.

SDSL/VDSL won't ever be provider by LLU'ers in Ireland as the SLA given by eircom to OLO's on copper is still 5 days and thats the single most greatest turn off.

Paul

STaN

The average price in dublin for diggin up the roads is €100k per km, but they have to offer that out to other operators 30days before they do it, so when there are gas works and the like going on, they have a chance to lay fibre.

I can't see Eircom deploying VDSL unless they stick DSLAMs into patch boxes in estates instead of running everything from the exchanges. The cost of that would be way above and beyond what they could get as a return from providing such a service. So it does not make business sence to deploy.

Same goes for FTTH (fibre to the home). Unless a company wants to become a loss leader, spend millions deploying something, get a good signup for a low montly fee, what about recouping the cost of the investment and on top of that, bandwidth and operating costs.

Stormfox1020

It may be avliable in Athy Co.Kildare But it aint avliable in Kilmeague, Naas. The Funny thing is we Live on out skirts of Naas but still dont Qualify for DSL and were close to Athy but fail to, they said ill have to wait for the roberts town exchange to be activated . Any ideas when that will be done?

jesus_thats_gre

So let me get this straight!!!!

I currently have the SOHO package with Netsoure. This means I can get the faster 1mb service?

Stormfox1020

Rite but with a 169 euro cost per month plus Ur pings wont differ from SME that much cuz interleaving is on full wack so ull still get 60 to irish servers just faster downloads

MrPinK

Almost. Because RADSL has further range, quailfying for RADSL does not automatically qualify you for ADSL. If you pass eircom's ADSL line test too, then you can get the 1Mb line alright

jesus_thats_gre

Thats odd, the dude I am dealing with in Netsource has told me that the 1meg service is only available in parts of Dublin an that Eircom do not offer it either.

Is he telling me porkies? I am guessing netsource only do the SOHO package in Dundalk and didnt want me going to Eircom.

MrPinK

Take a look at i-stream enhanced. I know someone who's had it for the last 6 monthes, so it sounds like the guy was talking out of his arse alright.

jesus_thats_gre

He told me it was only available in Dublin!! And that included Eircom!

Where is ur mate based?

Can anyone also tell me this, currently we can play online games with 2 or 3 people relatively ok. Pings suffer a bit when the third person joins. Would the 1 meg service allow for 5 people to play properly. I know the bandwidth has incresed, but will the ping remain stable with 4 or 5 users?

MrPinK

He's in Celbridge, Kildare. I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that all the packages were available from any exchange that was was upgraded for ADSL.

jesus_thats_gre

Sound, I shall be shoving someone contract where the sun dont shine soon!

Lump

Ah I'm glad I came to university in England. ADSL 512 for 22.50 a month, minimum 1 month contract. Its all good.




John

MrPinK

But how much do you pay in univeristy fees in order to get your cheap adsl?