Jackeen what does it mean and where did it originate? Anyone know?
I think it's what the culchies called us when English royality paid visits to Dublin back before independence. Some Dublin people apparently waved the Union Jack as the royality passed, much to a lot of the countries annoyance. So the jack part evolved into jackeen.
Of course this was only a minority of Dublin people and their decendents are the very same people who vote Progressive Democrats and think Britney Spears has artistic merit.
I always thought that we (the culchies) called ye 'the jacks' because ye used to throw toilet paper onto the pitch in Croaic Pairc
Great start, any more info would be great tho
Okay.....erm....it was kittensoft toilet paper
I had laways believed that what amp had said was how the word jackeen originated. But I've found a few different definitions
Taken from this site
Found this definition also
From Oxford English dictionary second edition:
If so it comes from
which in one sense would make sense with the use of the suffix -in in Irish to mean little (in other words "jackeen" would have been the equivalent of "little jack", jack having the same usage as in English since the late 14th century.
Funnily enough, one use of the word "jack" (when applied to flags) refers itself to "small" (it's properly a small flag, smaller than an ensign, used at sea as a signal or mark of distinction, flown at the bow of a vessel (formerly at the spirit-sail topmast head) - so in other words, the application of the word "jack" to refer to the Union flag would have been wrong, at least originally) - so if it does refer to the Union Jack, the "-een" in jackeen may be a redundancy.
The Union Jack explanation seems as good though. Believe whichever one you like. Either way, as a put-down reference, both suggested origins appear to have an equal ability to explain the term. The term certainly did not originally apply to anything that happened during Queen Victoria's visit, though, given that the term dates from at least 1840, though it may have taken on that meaning later on (or from lynchie's definition, before).
Where does the term 'Sham' come from? As in Dublin slang for 'lad' or 'guy'.
eg 'Look at de state o' de head on dat sham!'
"Sham" is actually a Galwegian term. It is the name given to a resident of Tuam, and also the name of the langauge that Tuam people speak.
This may have something to do with the fact that the place is rife with knackers. Easily the worst town in Ireland.
Jackeen - dubs who supported the brits back in the day...
bogger - everyone outside dublin
Great, a three year old thread. Lovely.
What are you doing!?! You're breathing new life back into a dead thread. I understand that you may want to further discuss it's contents, but you can't... it's dead... it won't come back RIGHT! Sure, it may look human... but it's nowt but a soulless doll; something created in the shape of a human. Have you learned nothing from Fullmetal Alchemist?... from Pet Cemetery?.... from that episode of South Park that takes the piss out of Pet Cemetery?
So, yeah, I heard a theory on News Talk 106 a while back - on The Origin Of Words slot with Prof. Terry Dolan. It goes something like: John Bull is a national personification of England created by Dr. John Arbuthnot in 1712 - portly, well-intentioned, frustrated and full of common sense. People outside the Pale thought Dublin wanted to become like England, so 'Jack Bull' became the personification of Dublin. Then from that to Jackeen.
However Prof. Terry Dolan went on to say that he had spoken to some elderly lady who saw the queen when she visited Ireland in 1900. She was but a wee child but remembers referring to the miniature Union Jack flags they were given at the time as 'Jackeens'.
Great, my chance to restart a 4 year old thread.
Correction, the Easter rising too place in Dublin if you didn't know. The majority of the signatories of the Easter proclamation where Jackeens as were most of the fighters. The only boggers to do any fighting were a few culchies in Cork. The rest of you were too busy giving out about Jackeens causing trouble
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