srmf5 Registered User
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My ancestor was James McDonough who was living in Bellanagare. Here is James in the search results.
This is the actual page with him at number 7.

In the search results, it has the year as 1854. However, on the right hand side it seems to list the year as 1812. I assume that this is the year anyway. In the census, he was recorded as a retired carpenter so I wonder was it a carpentry shop that he had. His son was supposed to have been a carpenter in Clonalis House.

I also see that an 'OR' has been added between entry 7 and 8. Rev. Patrick McDonough was James's brother and to the right of his entry, the year 1854 can be seen.

If 1812 is actually the year that the entry for James McDonough was recorded then this James would likely be the father of Patrick and my ancestor James rather than a brother of Patrick.

Also I just noticed that there is a Charles Bianconi listed in the search results. This must be him since it wouldn't have been a common name in Ireland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bianconi

L1011 Moderator
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On the Bianconi entry, it says offices and garden, no mention of house. Offices referred to anything from a small shed up - could have been a water station for the horses, full stables etc. Important enough route back then.

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pinkypinky Moderator
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My interpretation is that James McDonough's lease dates from 1812 but the valuation was done in 1854. Griffiths' Valuation only began their work in 1847.

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srmf5 Registered User
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L1011 said:
On the Bianconi entry, it says offices and garden, no mention of house. Offices referred to anything from a small shed up - could have been a water station for the horses, full stables etc. Important enough route back then.


There's loads of results for Charles Bianconi if you look him up in Griffith's Valuation but he seems to have mainly lived in Tipperary. Like that on Griffith's Valuation, Charles Bianconi's result in Bellanagare is offices, yard and garden with no house listed.

srmf5 Registered User
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pinkypinky said:
My interpretation is that James McDonough's lease dates from 1812 but the valuation was done in 1854. Griffiths' Valuation only began their work in 1847.


Thank you, that makes sense. It wouldn't actually bring me back another generation then since it just records the current occupier and when the lease for the house began for the family. Still, it was interesting to find since I haven't come across any other family members in the Valuation books. I haven't searched for every ancestor but considering the rest were farmers in the country, I don't expect that they would have made the Valuation books.

pinkypinky Moderator
#6

But it does mean you could look in the Registry of Deeds for a lease from 1812...

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srmf5 Registered User
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pinkypinky said:
But it does mean you could look in the Registry of Deeds for a lease from 1812...


Those records would only be available in Dublin rather than online, right? I'll have to put it on my list of things to check out in Dublin since I rarely go there. Thanks, it's good to know that there may be more information to find if I was to go and search actual archives rather than what's just online.

pinkypinky Moderator
#8

Untranscribed scans are available via Familysearch. You could also check the RoD Index project.

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Hermy Registered User
#9

Images from the Registry of Deeds are available at Family Search.

There is also the Registry of Deeds Index Project which is slowly making its way through the memorials.

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pinkypinky Moderator
#10

Cross-posted with Hermy.

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KildareFan Registered User
#11

I'm one of the slow transcribers of the Registry of Deeds - it's not something you can speed up. I'm sure more volunteers would be very welcome

It's head wrecking; the Indexes are not particularly helpful - if you know where your ancestor lived it's usually better to plough through the place name indexes to find name of ancestors, or landlords of ancestors; the registers were microfilmed in the 50s and 60s, and some of the films are murky so you need to fiddle with the exposure; then you need to wade through the legalese to find out what the deed is about.

Having said that, I've found out an incredible amount of information about one branch of the family which goes back to the 1600s.

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