jon1981 Registered User
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Actually maybe it's a good thing for motorists that not all cyclists obey the red light...would people prefer we went back to this?




Personally I wait at every light but I reckon if every cyclist was to wait at the red light during rush hour it would be a far worse situation for drivers waiting for a larger bunch of cyclists to move off.

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Tabnabs Registered User
#2

Yes?

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MarkR Moderator
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Yes. I find that ambulances take up an awful lot more space.

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Wishbone Ash Registered User
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jon1981 said:
...would people prefer we went back to this?.
Yes.

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jon1981 Registered User
#5

But why?

Some would argue a majority of cyclists break red lights yet I've not heard this to be a reason for any cyclists deaths on the road.

Again I'm not a red light jumper but there are plenty of junctions that could be relaxed abit for cyclists such as pedestrian crossings or left turns on to quieter roads. We need to be far more progressive here

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seamus Dental Plan!
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Dunno about anyone else, but I see this all the time at rush hour.

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PlaneSpeeking Registered User
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jon1981 said:
Actually maybe it's a good thing for motorists that not all cyclists obey the red light...would people prefer we went back to this?




Personally I wait at every light but I reckon if every cyclist was to wait at the red light during rush hour it would be a far worse situation for drivers waiting for a larger bunch of cyclists to move off.


Not for pedestrians trying to cross it wouldn't.

Red = Stop. That's it.

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jon1981 Registered User
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seamus said:
Dunno about anyone else, but I see this all the time at rush hour.


It would be double or triple the number if everyone actually obeyed the light.

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amcalester Registered User
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jon1981 said:
But why? Again I'm not a red light jumper but there are plenty of junctions that could be relaxed abit for cyclists such as pedestrian crossings or left turns on to quieter roads. We need to be far more progressive here.


That’s a separate argument though. Currently it’s illegal for cyclists to break a red light so for that reason I would prefer a return to the above photo.

Now, if you want to argue the benefits of left on red or the like, then I would agree that in some cases that would make sense but it would have to be clearly signposted when it was allowed.

jon1981 Registered User
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PlaneSpeeking said:
Not for pedestrians trying to cross it wouldn't.

Red = Stop. That's it.


Many other countries permit it. So why not?

Sure lights don't matter to pedestrians either but you don't hear about that from drivers or cyclists.

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Alanstrainor Moderator
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seamus said:
Dunno about anyone else, but I see this all the time at rush hour.


Exactly. This is already the case, a commute through Dublin at rush hour would see this everywhere. Kevin street and Wexford street junction, through Rathmines, even Harolds Cross is the same.

mloc123 Subscriber
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seamus said:
Dunno about anyone else, but I see this all the time at rush hour.


Same, cycle along the grand canal any morning and each traffic light is packed with groups of cyclists stopped (including those that insist on jumping to the top despite being so slow )

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RobertFoster Registered User
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Was a brown overcoat the yellow hi-vis of the era? I think I'd melt.

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jon1981 Registered User
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mloc123 said:
Same, cycle along the grand canal any morning and each traffic like is packed with groups of cyclists stopped (including those that insist on jumping to the top despite being so slow )


Not all junctions are equal but I pass plenty of junctions coming down the Malahide road, Fairview, north strand road and on towards the quays in which many cyclists would ignore the red light... especially when there's grid lock around Connolly station.

Baron de Charlus "On his little bike"
#15

Don't know what the big deal is. Cyclists are traffic.

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