There is a big difference between how our Taoiseach and President (who has no power anyway) get into position than how the Pope does.
At no point in the process does any ordinary citizen have a vote on who becomes a priest or moves up though the catholic ranks to cardinal to eventually become the pope. Its a closed shop all the way.
He may have a social conscience better than Ratzingers, but if he believes this stuff literally, I'm afraid I'll have to move him to my "Nice but nuts" box.
I see where he is going here. The devil made them do it. ; )
He is a jesuit. what do you expect?
I have spoken to Jesuits who don't even believe in God, never mind a literal Devil.
well then you need to speak to better jesuits
Better =/= nuttier in my eyes.
So the OPW have finally put a figure on those attending the Gig in the park,just under 152,000 including all those taking part eg choirs etc.
Sad they had to be hit with a Freedom of Information request to force them to issue the figures.
OK the devil trying to uncover sins is obviously horrific and evil statement.
However why surprise at the Pope believing in the devil. I mean he believes in God which is about as logical as believing in the Devil. Frequently they are paired up and I would be surprised if the pope did not believe in the devil really!
Total cost of the visit to the taxpayer was about €160 per person attending the Park or Knock.
A fcuking joke, at our expense...
Catholicism is complicated.
Ordinary joe soaps in the church pews believe all sorts of nonsense about the power of prayer, holy water, the child of prague, Medjugore, secrets of Fatima, the BVM statue on the wall with the flickery electric bulb, on and on. There is even folk religion from pre-christian times still practiced, like tying tat to bushes at holy wells.
A Catholic theologian at a seminary will believe absolutely none of that. Not a feckin word. Yet it is nominally the same religion, and the hierarchy are careful not to step on the stupid beliefs of the ignorant where possible.
I am surprised that someone can rise to be Pope and still believe the simple-minded stuff like the Devil literally walking the Earth.
Main thing is just to keep the money flowing in.
you might think it is obvious but belief in the devil as an physical being is not a given. It is usually employed metaphorically. But the pope is a jesuit and they tend to do their own theological thing.
To be fair I would not call it simple minded. For me belief in God, the Devil, holy water etc. are about as logical as each other. Granted you may believe in some without the rest but the same leap of faith is required.
However I did not realise theologians had stopped going for Lucifer as as real as God so thank you for that tit bit.
Sounds like you were reared in a very strict/orthodox catholic environment.