DarraghR Registered User
#1

I have a few questions regarding me and my girlfriends rent situation.

Our second year is coming to an end in just over a month but we would like to renew for a third year.

We are a little worried that the rent may be increased or at worse we would be asked to leave.

Over the past 2 years we have had no trouble with noise complaints or any warnings whatsoever. Maintenance has been requested a couple of times and early on the lack of urgency was unseen before compared to previous property's I have rented.

What is the best way to continue for another year at least and not incur an increase in rent?

Should we call the estate agent now which is just over a month from our second year ending?
Would it be better for it to roll over into the start of year 3 or would this give us a disadvantage. As in could they just then give us one months notice to leave because we have not signed a lease agreement?

theteal Registered User
#2

You have part 4 rights so you don't have to do anything. They can't ask you to leave unless under certain strict conditions e.g. selling, needed for family etc. They may indeed review the rent but I'm fairly sure they have to give more than a months notice.

Just sit tight.

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dudara Administrator
#3

Don’t do anything. You have Part IV rights so no need to request a renewal of your lease.

If they want a rent increase, let them come to you.

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DarraghR Registered User
#4

Thanks for the advice guys.

Ok but if we enter the third year without signing a lease agreement can they not just give us one months notice at any point in time?

We were thinking of requesting to sign the third year maybe 20 days before year two runs out. It is important for is to sign a 12 months lease to guarantee another year where we are.

theteal Registered User
#5

No, you have part 4 rights which gives you basically 4 years (i'm rusty, it may be 6 these days) to stay in the property unless they have a valid reason to need it back.

Seriously, you don't need to do anything.

Bubbaclaus Registered User
#6

DarraghR said:
Thanks for the advice guys.

Ok but if we enter the third year without signing a lease agreement can they not just give us one months notice at any point in time?

We were thinking of requesting to sign the third year maybe 20 days before year two runs out. It is important for is to sign a 12 months lease to guarantee another year where we are.


You have Part IV, why are you so preoccupied about signing a lease? I wouldnt be looking to sign anything.

wirelessdude01 Registered User
#7

In a scenario like this do you have to sign a new tenancy agreement if one is produced by the LL?

fash Registered User
#8

wirelessdude01 said:
In a scenario like this do you have to sign a new tenancy agreement if one is produced by the LL?

If you want to reduce your rights, sign it. If you like keeping your rights, don't sign it - part 4 already gives you everything you need.

FishOnABike Registered User
#9

The residential tenancy board one stop shop site https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/ has lots of useful information on tenancy, part 4 rights, rent pressure zones and rent reviews etc.

It is worth a read. You (or your landlord) cannot contract out of provisions of the residential tenancies act.

fash Registered User
#10

FishOnABike said:
The residential tenancy board one stop shop site https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/ has lots of useful information on tenancy, part 4 rights, rent pressure zones and rent reviews etc.

It is worth a read. You (or your landlord) cannot contract out of provisions of the residential tenancies act.

The tenant can tie themselves into a fixed term tenancy from what would otherwise be effectively a unilaterally at-will tenancy.

FishOnABike Registered User
#11

fash said:
The tenant can tie themselves into a fixed term tenancy from what would otherwise be effectively a unilaterally at-will tenancy.


That would be adding to the existing rights under a part four tenancy as it would prevent the tenancy being terminated (even for the limited conditions it could be under part four) up to the end of the fixed term tenancy.

A part four tenancy couldn't be regarded as being unilaterally at will as it can only be terminated by the landlord for a very limited number of specific reasons. e.g. sale, for an immediate family member, substantial renovations (ie structural building work), ...

dudara Administrator
#12

DarraghR said:
Thanks for the advice guys.

Ok but if we enter the third year without signing a lease agreement can they not just give us one months notice at any point in time?


Once you are over 2 years, you are entitled to 56 days notice, and it can only be for a specific set of reasons (consult the RTB website).

We were thinking of requesting to sign the third year maybe 20 days before year two runs out. It is important for is to sign a 12 months lease to guarantee another year where we are.


You can sign a lease if you want, but check the break/termination clauses carefully. Some clauses will allow a landlord to terminate for given reasons, other leases will provide you full assurance for the 12 months. However, no lease can supercede your Part IV rights.

The_Conductor Moderator
#13

The landlord is entitled to review the rent- and a rent review does not have to coincide with the lease dates. For any tenancy that commenced prior to 24th December 2016 (such as yours)- a landlord can only review the rent after you have been a tenant for 2 years- i.e. you are now due a rent review- and your initial rent review is for a max of 4%. Thereafter- the landlord can review your rent every 12 months- at 4% per annum (the initial review is 4% for the first two years)- subject to prevailing market rents. The landlord is not obliged to conduct a rent review however.

So- all told- if the landlord does now decide to conduct a rent review- the rent increase is a maximum of 4% for a 2 year old tenancy- and then 4% per annum- thereafter.

Note- a rent increase can only occur 90 days after the notice of rent review- and a rent review can only occur initially after 24 months- and if in an RPZ- every 12 months thereafter (with the increase, if there is one, kicking in 90 days after the notice of rent review).

Hope this helps.

DarraghR Registered User
#14

We have just received a call from the estate agent handling the property. We can stay on but rent will be increased by 4%. This notice of increase is give less than 2 weeks before our current lease expires.

It would be €22 a week each which is not bad considering our location and current rental situation in Dublin.

I would be asking for a couple of things before signing. Maintenance like boiler, toilet etc.

Our fridge is tiny and we only have a freezer box so was thinking of asking for a small box freezer. Should I even bother. Is this a big ask?

Going back to the short notice of rent increase is there any point challenging this? We are quite happy here and do not want to compromise our situation.

TheChizler Registered User
#15

DarraghR said:
We have just received a call from the estate agent handling the property. We can stay on but rent will be increased by 4%. This notice of increase is give less than 2 weeks before our current lease expires.

I can't remember the exact rule right now and someone will be here to correct/confirm, but in an RPZ doesn't notice of rent increase have to happen after the two year anniversary of the last rent increase (or start of tenancy), not before? I'm definitely remembering something wrong there but it's worth clarifying.

Edit: That may only apply to tenancies created after before December 23rd 2016.

https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/during-a-tenancy/rent-reviews-in-a-rent-pressure-zone-rpz/

So the notice is invalid if served before the two year anniversary of the start of your tenancy.

You need to be given 90 days notice as well.

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