QuickQuestion3 Registered User
#1

I have a house in a private built up estate on airbnb for a while now and all has mostly worked out well. It's a good bit of extra work, but so far so good.

Most guests that request bookings are new to airbnb (just signed up) and as a result have no reviews. During the winter months I wasn't going to be fussy.

Anyway, I believe on a few occasions now that my place was booked by working girls. I don't want to give too many details, but I was about 60% sure after a few days the first time, I was told I was paranoid, but it was confirmed after they left. The second time, I meet the girls and sure enough the same girls were advising on the internet a few hours later.

Both times the place was taken care of and they didn't leave much of a mess. While I would prefer not to be hosting these types of people, it's quite hard to know beforehand. When I do become aware, I don't want to face them down and kick them out. They know where my house is afterall.

I really just want to know if I could be held in any way responsible for what goes on if this happens again.

Eric Cartman Registered User
#2

Ive done work for some Airbnb hosts and this happens, a lot. It's almost impossible to know beforehand as they tend to dump accounts and create new ones every single time they do this.

In general they keep the place clean and only stay for 1 night or a weekend. I don't believe you can get in trouble for it but I would probably report it to the gardai if you have suspicions when guests check in. They may knock round.

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n!ghtmancometh Registered User
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Not bothered about forcing your neighbours to live nextdoor to a knocking shop, and all the weirdos that attracts no? how would you feel if your current residence was located next to one? another selfish landlord, worried about liabilities rather than neighbours or potential for girls (working knowingly on his premises) to be sex trafficked.

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Hitman3000 Registered User
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QuickQuestion3
I really just want to know if I could be held in any way responsible for what goes on if this happens again.



I hope you are, must be great for the other residents in the estate.

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Heres Johnny Registered User
#5

Anyone I know that uses knocking shops is very discreet about it and won't cause any hassle to the neighbours!!

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Mr.S Moderator
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QuickQuestion3 said:
I have a house in a private built up estate on airbnb for a while now and all has mostly worked out well. It's a good bit of extra work, but so far so good.

Most guests that request bookings are new to airbnb (just signed up) and as a result have no reviews. During the winter months I wasn't going to be fussy.

Anyway, I believe on a few occasions now that my place was booked by working girls. I don't want to give too many details, but I was about 60% sure after a few days the first time, I was told I was paranoid, but it was confirmed after they left. The second time, I meet the girls and sure enough the same girls were advising on the internet a few hours later.

Both times the place was taken care of and they didn't leave much of a mess. While I would prefer not to be hosting these types of people, it's quite hard to know beforehand. When I do become aware, I don't want to face them down and kick them out. They know where my house is afterall.

I really just want to know if I could be held in any way responsible for what goes on if this happens again.


The simple answer is don’t allow instant book and only accept guests with previous reviews / don’t fit the “working girl” profile.

Apart from that, there’s little else you can do.

You can enable the verified feature, so only people with verified profiles (passport etc) can send off a booking request.

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QuickQuestion3 Registered User
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n!ghtmancometh said:
Not bothered about forcing your neighbours to live nextdoor to a knocking shop, and all the weirdos that attracts no? how would you feel if your current residence was located next to one? another selfish landlord, worried about liabilities rather than neighbours or potential for girls (working knowingly on his premises) to be sex trafficked.


As I said, I would prefer for this not to happen, and I am in no way forcing anyone to live next door to anyone. As was pointed out, the booking was for a few days and it was only after they left it was confirmed. When I had suspicions, I drove by several times and didn't notice anything up or any visitors.

As a landlord, I am not allowed to enter the building without permission.

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Fol20 Registered User
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n!ghtmancometh said:
Not bothered about forcing your neighbours to live nextdoor to a knocking shop, and all the weirdos that attracts no? how would you feel if your current residence was located next to one? another selfish landlord, worried about liabilities rather than neighbours or potential for girls (working knowingly on his premises) to be sex trafficked.


Ignore this post OP, the fact you are posting here indicates you are cautious about it. How exactly is he selfish, he has a mortgage to pay and he isn’t exactly advertising only work girl need apply. At the end of day how many people actually care about their neighbors now days unless your in the country. Most people don’t even know the name of their neighbors and just say hi In passing.

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Sunny Dayz Registered User
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I’ve never used air bnb myself so excuse me if I get it wrong. But I’m assuming you don’t live in this house and you advertise it on Airbnb as not being owner occupied. If it was advertised as owner occupied, it would put off those who want to use it for the purposes you outlined in your first post.

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endacl Registered User
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QuickQuestion3 said:
As a landlord, I am not allowed to enter the building without permission.

They're not tenants. They're paying guests. Same as in a hotel.

You're not a landlord.

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Effects Registered User
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endacl said:
They're not tenants. They're paying guests. Same as in a hotel.

You're not a landlord.


He’s not a hotelier either, as you seem to suggest.

The_Conductor Moderator
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endacl said:
They're not tenants. They're paying guests. Same as in a hotel.

You're not a landlord.


70% of airbnb lettings in Ireland are rooms in properties- rather than entire properties. The OP may not be a landlord- and the person renting the property may technically be a licensee- however, current Irish legislation does not address airbnb situations in a proper manner- and is more concerned with tax and or how it affects the formal rental market- than it is the short term letting market.

The OP would be well advised to turn on the verified feature on Airbnb- and strictly only accept bookings from verified account holders.

There is a shocking problem with airbnb and prostitution in Ireland- which has been acknowledged by An Garda Síochána- however, in the absence of a formal complaint- their immediate response appears to be an automatic- 'its a civil matter between the complainant and the owner'.

Technically- there is absolutely nothing to stop any of the OP's neighbours from taking a civil case against the OP- for letting his property to prostitutes. Whether or not it would succeed- is anyone's guess- however, one way or the other- the only winners would be the solicitors.

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The_Conductor Moderator
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Guys- address the OP's post.
If you have some self-righteous indignation- take it elsewhere.
If you can't remain civil towards the OP or other posters- do not respond here.
There will be no get-out-of-jail-free cards for people who are abusive towards other posters.

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4ensic15 Registered User
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The_Conductor said:
70% of airbnb lettings in Ireland are rooms in properties- rather than entire properties. The OP may not be a landlord- and the person renting the property may technically be a licensee- however, current Irish legislation does not address airbnb situations in a proper manner- and is more concerned with tax and or how it affects the formal rental market- than it is the short term letting market.



The Residential Tenancies Act does not apply to lettings which are for the purposes of a holiday. No way are AirBnB guests tenants.

QuickQuestion3 Registered User
#15

Thanks everyone for the advice, even negative advice, it's good to see all sides.

Regarding the verified guest information. Only one out of the next ten bookings have provided gov ID to airbnb for verification, but all others have provided phone and email. So I'm not sure if this feature will help very much other than reducing possible guests.

I was thinking of maybe a fake security camera on the front of the building and mentioning that in the description. Not sure if this would help.

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