ohnonotgmail Registered User
#136

Cheerful Spring said:
How the Iranians track the R-170 Stealth drone in 2011 and capture it? Did the Iranians track it from Afghanistan, and how they know it was even there? On the ground intelligence ever hear of that? Could Isreali spies penetrate the groups they are fighting and got about the drone flight and where it would be? Maybe there is a new weapon platform that can detect a Stealth drone and Israelis have it?

We disagree who fired the missiles that brought down the jet. What we do know is missiles are Russian made and missiles allegedly got fired from Khmeimim Air Base. This base jointly d by the Syrians but Russian controlled. So it highly unlikely the Syrian engaged and the Russians would not know about this?

Regarding the Russian deaths. This NY times report they are going to check their sources are correct before publishing a story.


The design lacks several elements common to stealth engineering such as zig-zag edged landing gear doors and sharp leading edges, and the exhaust is not shielded by the wing


it doesn't sound terribly stealthy.

Cheerful Spring Registered User
#137

ohnonotgmail said:
it doesn't sound terribly stealthy.


Can I have the source for this quote?

Gatling Registered User
#138

Cheerful Spring said:


Regarding the Russian deaths. This NY times report they are going to check their sources are correct before publishing a story.


Putin passed a laws to hide military casualties overseas including the several thousand they lost in Ukraine where they had secret funerals for russian soldiers and tell the families their Sons and husband's are on a secret training mission in Siberia ,
The first soldier killed in combat in Syria in Russian uniform was explained away as a suiscide ,
Anything gets out they will claim they are not soldiers but paid Mercenaries ,

Cheerful Spring Registered User
#139

Gatling said:
Putin passed a laws to hide military casualties overseas including the several thousand they lost in Ukraine where they had secret funerals for russian soldiers and tell the families their Sons and husband's are on a secret training mission in Siberia ,
The first soldier killed in combat in Syria in Russian uniform was explained away as a suiscide ,
Anything gets out they will claim they are not soldiers but paid Mercenaries ,


I don't disagree with this. Americans are doing the same thing, maybe not as secretive.

nacho libre Registered User
#140

Cheerful Spring said:
The problem with that analysis in Iran not claiming they send a Stealth drone to Israel. Israelis and American officials said it.



If it was a stealth aircraft, then the Israelis would not have been able to detect it. Unless they have developed technology that can actually now detect supposedly stealth aircraft? Is this what you are getting at?

ohnonotgmail Registered User
#141

Cheerful Spring said:
Can I have the source for this quote?


whats the point? You will just ignore it as you usually do.

Cheerful Spring Registered User
#142

nacho libre said:
If it was a stealth aircraft, then the Israelis would not have been able to detect it. Unless they have developed technology that can actually now detect supposedly stealth aircraft? Is this what you are getting at?


Iranians captured a stealth drone in 2011. What would stop the Israelis from doing the same thing in 2018?

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nacho libre Registered User
#143

Gatling said:
d in combat in Syria in Russian uniform was explained away as a suiscide ,
Anything gets out they will claim they are not soldiers but paid Mercenaries ,


Of course because it helps him avoid looking weak, which would destroy his macho image, because if he acknowledges that a 100 - 200 Russian soliders were killed by the American Army the pressure is on to strike back, there by risking an even greater escalation from the other side.

It all just shows the notion of the menacing Russian bear, that has designs on invading all his neighbours, as hysterical propaganda. The last thing Vladmir Putin wants is a direct confrontation with the Americans.

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Cheerful Spring Registered User
#144

ohnonotgmail said:
whats the point? You will just ignore it as you usually do.


If you found a quote that will show the Iranian drone was not stealth post the source.

ohnonotgmail Registered User
#145

Cheerful Spring said:
If you found a quote that will show the Iranian drone was not stealth post the source.


I'll happily pm it to anybody who is generally interested.

nacho libre Registered User
#146

Cheerful Spring said:
Iranians captured a stealth drone in 2011. What would stop the Israelis from doing the same thing in 2018?


I thought that drone crashed due to a malfunction- maybe though that was a lie from Gatling's friends. If it was indeed detected by the Iranians and brought down, then your assertion could well be correct.

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Gringo180 Registered User
#147

nacho libre said:
Of course because it helps him avoid looking weak, which would destry his macho image, because if he acknowledges that a 100 - 200 Russian soliders were killed by the American Army the pressure is on to strike back, there by risking an even greater escalation from the other side.

It all just shows the notion of the menacing Russian bear that has designs on invading all his neighbours as hysterical propaganda. The last thing Vladmir Putin wants is a direct confrontation with the Americans.


But what would NATO do without all that hysterical propaganda? They need a bad guy to continue surrounding Russia.

Gringo180 Registered User
#148

nacho libre said:
I thought that drone crashed due to a malfunction- maybe though that was a lie from Gatling's friends. If it was indeed detected by the Iranians and brought down, then your assertion could well be correct.


The Iranians safely landed the drone. If it was shot down it would of been totally destroyed so why would the Americans request it to be returned to them.

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Gatling Registered User
#149

Gringo180 said:
But what would NATO do without all that hysterical propaganda? They need a bad guy to continue surrounding Russia.


But there not unfortunately

Cheerful Spring Registered User
#150

nacho libre said:
I thought that drone crashed due to a malfunction- maybe though that was a lie from Gatling's friends. If it was indeed detected by the Iranians and brought down, then your assertion could well be correct.


Highly unlikely the Iranians captured it intact. A drone falling from the sky would have smashed into different pieces. Stealth only means undetectable to radar it can be spotted in the air still and even heard. If all we know the Isreali helicopter spotted it on a routine mission and opened fire on it?

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