RDM_83 again Registered User
#76

Joeytheparrot said:
Really? And they identify as queer?


Saruhashi said:
Why can't they identify as Queer?

Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

Unless Queer and Trans are the same thing, which they are not, then there is no contradiction here.

I have a harder time understanding how RADICAL Feminism isn't trans-exclusionary by default. Surely men who have transitioned women and who then seek prominent positions in the Feminist movement would be treated with some level of suspicion based on the fact that they once were men?

For me, thats wrong and a trans-woman is a woman but for a radical feminist? I can see a potential issue there.

Can you explain:
Why a TERF cannot identify as Queer?
How radical feminism is not fundamentally trans-exclusionary?


Don't look at Joeytheparrot's posts as being honest questions or surprised astonishment , rather its a rhetorical and symbolic.

Simple answer is, they have been on this site for a long long time, they moderate the LGBT forum, this forum used to be the LGB forum, there was a lot of nastyness and genuine transphobia and loads of arguments AFAIK.

This thread here is enlightening, its an old one but its only ten years ago yet we can see how different the responses are, including from a lot of Mods and Admins etc.
This surprise at TERF style attitudes is simply whitewashing the fact that only a decade ago on this site this topic was genuinely a divisive issue among the various interested parties and by no means clearly cut that there was only one acceptable opinion.

I'm not personally invested in this as not a member of any of those communities but its very interesting to see how whats considered an acceptable opinion has changed, and more importantly the fact that the questions involved themselves have been de-legitimized, its not that often that we see change of this speed.
Thats why the responses are framed this way, its not "well I strongly disagree", its "I'm shocked somebody call themselves queer and have that attitude", its about removing the validity of the topic itself and erasing the fact that the defacto position only 10 years ago here was something thats unspeakable now.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055109175

ps I don't actually know what opinions they had on this topic back then

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Super_Sonic Registered User
#77

I find these awards a little hard to understand too as I don't see what any LGBTQ person feels the need to be an outsider. Times have changed and most people I know have no prejudice against any LGBTQ person.

Granted there are a surely a few haters out there still but they must be in a minority.

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Joeytheparrot Moderator
#78

Saruhashi said:
Why can't they identify as Queer?

Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

Unless Queer and Trans are the same thing, which they are not, then there is no contradiction here.

I have a harder time understanding how RADICAL Feminism isn't trans-exclusionary by default. Surely men who have transitioned women and who then seek prominent positions in the Feminist movement would be treated with some level of suspicion based on the fact that they once were men?

For me, thats wrong and a trans-woman is a woman but for a radical feminist? I can see a potential issue there.

Can you explain:
Why a TERF cannot identify as Queer?
How radical feminism is not fundamentally trans-exclusionary?


Queer identity often completely rejects the idea of traditional gender identity altogether along with many under the trans umbrella so it really makes no sense to me that someone who identifies as Queer would be trans exclusionary.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

I honestly have not got a clue why 10 year old threads are being dragged in here. Ireland and boards.ie have significantly changed since then.

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pleas advice Registered User
#79

I miss the old Boards, straight from the go Boards

pilly Registered User
#80

How on earth did this turn into another thread about the much endangered white male?

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Hande hoche! Registered User
#81

pilly said:
How on earth did this turn into another thread about the much endangered white male?

That was the first third. It moved onto Terfs and queers.

pilly Registered User
#82

Hande hoche! said:
That was the first third. It moved onto Terfs and queers.


I didn't even know what a TERF was until I read this thread.

I find it shocking that now people are not allowed have an opinion on ANYTHING unless it's the socially acceptable one though.

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#83

pilly said:
I didn't even know what a TERF was until I read this thread.

I find it shocking that now people are not allowed have an opinion on ANYTHING unless it's the socially acceptable one though.


This isn't true - people think that because they don't know how to express said opinion in a debate that they aren't allowed to have said opinion. There's a difference.

The other technique is the shout loudly, make up **** and verbally abuse your opponent, which is the one employed by the radical feminists and other SJWs.

pilly Registered User
#84

Princess Consuela Bananahammock said:
This isn't true - people think that because they don't know how to express said opinion in a debate that they aren't allowed to have said opinion. There's a difference.


I don't get you?

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ceadaoin. Registered User
#85

pilly said:
I didn't even know what a TERF was until I read this thread.

I find it shocking that now people are not allowed have an opinion on ANYTHING unless it's the socially acceptable one though.


This. Stating that there are biological differences between males and females that don't change depending on how the person identifies is enough to get you labelled a "terf" nowadays (if you're a woman)

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Joeytheparrot Moderator
#86

ceadaoin. said:
This. Stating that there are biological differences between males and females that don't change depending on how the person identifies is enough to get you labelled a "terf" nowadays (if you're a woman)


And?

#87

pilly said:
I don't get you?


People are allowed to express any opinion they want. If the cannot express it, they claim that they aren't allowed.

There's a difference between not able and not allowed.

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