Jamie2k9 Registered User
#61

Isambard said:
please link to your evidence .


Evidence of what?

Isambard Registered User
#62

Jamie2k9 said:
Evidence of what?


your claim that an enhanced service wouldn't be viable.

Jamie2k9 Registered User
#63

Isambard said:
your claim that an enhanced service wouldn't be viable.


Really? Anyone with commercial reality can see it. The hourly Cork service is already over capacity and that's why most direct Limerick/Trallee service have been scrapped over the years.

Adding another hourly stopping service catering for what maybe 1-3 passengers per rural station is madness. Railway stations should really be serving towns with 5,000+ on a regular schedule.

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Isambard Registered User
#65

Jamie2k9 said:
Really? Anyone with commercial reality can see it. The hourly Cork service is already over capacity and that's why most direct Limerick/Trallee service have been scrapped over the years.

Adding another hourly stopping service catering for what maybe 1-3 passengers per rural station is madness. Railway stations should really be serving towns with 5,000+ on a regular schedule.


if it's an opinion, you should make it clear.

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tabbey Registered User
#66

Jamie2k9 said:
Railway stations should really be serving towns with 5,000+ on a regular schedule.


It is not just the population of a town that matters, but the hinterland.

Ballybrophy has a population of a few dozen, but it's station car park is well filled every day with people from Borris-in-Ossory, Rathdowney and further afield such as Roscrea and Nenagh.

This is because it provides a service which is fast and suits people's travel needs.

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Isambard Registered User
#67

indeed and it's IEs job to provide a service.
If feeder trains as suggested provided extra passengers for the main trains at Junctions, then it would be assisting the viability of the main service.
Think of them as a branch line, a bit like the Tralee line, which provides passengers at Mallow for the main line services.

In fact it could be started with no new stations initially and provide a useful facility. Cost would be very low that way as it would use existing track and stations and the stock currently used for Cork to Mallow and Limerick to LJ. New stations could be added later if desired.

Jamie2k9 Registered User
#68

tabbey said:






It is not just the population of a town that matters, but the hinterland.

Ballybrophy has a population of a few dozen, but it's station car park is well filled every day with people from Borris-in-Ossory, Rathdowney and further afield such as Roscrea and Nenagh.

This is because it provides a service which is fast and suits people's travel needs.


Yeah I accept that point to a degree, the area concerned here dons't. In the case of Ballybrophy a massive amount are annual holders. It also explains its largely peak service.

A personal taxi service would be more cost efficient to Irish Rail than what's been proposed!

dowlingm Registered User
#69

gozunda said:
No that's not the point I was making. Reopening select hubs will increase access for many many more than just a 5 or a few thousand. It will permit better access to existing transport facilities for a much greater hinterland and population base than in the past and allow for a reversal of at least some of the draconian closures of stations over the last half centuary and would provide access to alternative means of transport to many.
The thing about hubs is that they have spokes. Charleville needs spokes, not for Kilmallock to become a hub.
Isambard said:
please link to your evidence .

Everywhere, but especially in Ireland when it comes to politically motivated spending of public money, the burden of proof should lie on the proponent.

I'm reasonably familiar with the area, albeit from some time ago, but I hadn't appreciated what a pain in the backside it is to get from Kilmallock to the railway station - Google Maps says there is no bypass as such of Charleville so travellers from the northwest face a range of unpleasant road choices. Given where the border lies, the failure to build this can doubtlessly be laid at the door of standard GAA jersey "I want the business rates but you pay for the road" inter-County Council jibber jabber.

What might work nicely for links to Cork and Kerry is a feeder bus service along the R515 between Knocklong and Charleville Station *if* a more direct access could be built to the latter. To enrage those who want to build a TGV on every historic alignment an iron road ever lay on, the first leg of it could be along the trackbed of the branch to Patrickwell between the R515 and Effin Road.

The access from the south is much the same - head into Charleville and back out again. How is that supposed to attract either travellers or development?

Does anyone know what is going on with those circular features northwest of Charleville Station? Is it a horse training circuit maybe?

Shn99 Registered User
#70

dowlingm said:

Does anyone know what is going on with those circular features northwest of Charleville Station? Is it a horse training circuit maybe?


yes 2 horse gallops

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