Retd.LoyolaCpt Registered User
#1

This year's Irish Championships will take place in the Talbot Hotel, Stillorgan from August 4-12. The prize fund for the main event is 4,000 euro and the confirmed entries are as follows:

IM Sam Collins
IM Alex Lopez
FM Stephen Brady
FM Stephen Jessel
FM Colm Daly
FM Conor O'Donnell
FM Joe Ryan
FM Tom O'Gorman
Jonathan O'Connor
Killian Delaney
Gordon Freeman
Gerry O'Connell
Henry Li
Stephen Moran

We have yet to announce the full list of events which will likely include a Blitz and an AM event but the weekender events have been announced.

Details can be seen here: https://www.icu.ie/events/986, https://www.icu.ie/events/990, https://www.icu.ie/events/991

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Retd.LoyolaCpt Registered User
#2

A few more entrants recently - 20 in all (2 IMs, 8 FMs):

IM Alex Lopez
IM Sam Collins
FM Conor O'Donnell
FM Stephen Jessel
FM Conor Murphy
FM Stephen Brady
FM Colm Daly
FM Joe Ryan
FM Tom O'Gorman
FM John Delaney
Jonathan O'Connor
Killian Delaney
Gordon Freeman
Gerry O'Connell
Henry Li
Stephen Moran
Anthony Fox
John McMorrow
Peter Carroll
Peter Cafolla

sodacat11 Registered User
#3

The Irish Championship 2018 could be one of the strongest and best ever with as many as eight or nine players in with a realistic chance of winning.
I just hope that the ICU sticks RIGIDLY to the rating requirements i.e 1900 or over on the July ICU rating list. Anyone who doesn't meet that requirement yet should play in Drogheda to get some rating points and if that doesn't work then they should play in the Irish Intermediate where they rightfully belong.

sodacat11 Registered User
#4

I was looking for a complete crosstable for the 2017 Irish Championship but I can't find one on the ICU site, the chess results server(it only goes as far as round 8 for some reason) or the Irish chess history site. Anyone know where there is one?

zeitnot Registered User
#5

Here you go: http://www.irlchess.com/irlch2017_allfiles/pairings_irlch2017.html and http://www.irlchess.com/irlch2017_allfiles/crosstable_irlch2017.html.

sodacat11 Registered User
#6

Thanks for that.
The numbers in the top section over the past few years haven't been great even with ineligible players being allowed in to artificially boost the numbers.. I think this year the fact that so many titled players entered well in advance has been a big attraction for others. I have been arguing for years that stronger fields attract more players and this certainly seems to be the case this year.

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zeitnot Registered User
#7

Last year was already excellent and this year looks as if it will be outstanding. Better promotion, bigger prize fund, and, yes, building up the entry in stages with titled players in first, all seem to add up to a big difference. The only thing missing so far is that as it stands, no IM norms will be possible (need at least one more IM or GM). There's still time!

sodacat11 Registered User
#8

Here is a list of the runners and riders for the upcoming Irish Championship with the prices I'd give if I was a bookmaker.
A. Lopez I.M 2476 9/4 Fav An I.M with G.M talent. A naturally gifted player who knows what it takes to win an Irish Ch. A worthy favourite.

S.Collins 2425 11/4 Another with G.M quality. Perhaps not as natural a player as Lopez but theoretically probably more knowledgeable. It could come down to who has White when he plays Lopez to who will win the title.

C O'Donnell 2342 6/1 Recently gained an I.M norm so obviously in form and improving fast but not quite the finished article yet. Not without a chance though.

S .Jessl 2337 4/1 A very talented player who again has form over the course and distance. If he is on form certainly not one to dismiss lightly.

C. Murphy 2336 5/1 The dark horse. I know nothing about him but a 19 year old with a 2336 rating has got to be feared.

J.Ryan 2281 10/1 Another ex champion who will give anyone a tough game but perhaps lacking the extra gear needed to win this.

S. Brady 2279 8/1 Multiple Irish champ with (I think the most wins ever) but not as active as he used to be so perhaps vulnerable to the guys who are playing very strong opposition regularly. Good each way value at 8/1.

C.Daly 2263 8/1 Has won a huge amount of tournaments and capable of beating anyone on the day but also a bit more likely to lose to a lower rated player than Lopez and Collins are. Again, a decent each way bet at 8/1

T O'Gorman 2226 16/1 I've never played him but he seems to be a very talented up and coming player. I can't see him winning this.

H. Li 2207 16/1 Similar to O'Gorman, perhaps a champion one day but not this year.

K. Delaney 2206 25/1 Would have a chance if it was a bullet or blitz tournament, but it isn't.

J. Delaney 2122 20/1 A four time champ but not the force of old. Sure to have some of the most interesting games of the tournament but I can't believe that he will be as up to date with his openings as the favourites.

100/1 bar

No offence to all the lower rated players but I can't imagine that any of us will mount a challenge.

I'm going to stick my neck out and predict a win for Jessl 7.5 ahead of Lopez and Collins7 followed by Murphy, O'Donnell and Daly 6.5. If Short plays 6.5

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Retd.LoyolaCpt Registered User
#9

Murphy's law - just as you do your odds, I've a new contender to add (current top seed by FIDE rating in fact). A reminder that June 1st is the last day to avail of our early discount rates: https://www.icu.ie/events/986

GM Alex Baburin
IM Alex Lopez
IM Sam Collins
FM Conor O'Donnell
FM Stephen Jessel
FM Conor Murphy
FM Stephen Brady
FM Colm Daly
FM Joe Ryan
FM Tom O'Gorman
FM John Delaney
Jonathan O'Connor
Killian Delaney
Gordon Freeman
Gerry O'Connell
Henry Li
Stephen Moran
Anthony Fox
Mihailo Manojlovic
John McMorrow
Paul O'Neill
Conor Nolan
Peter Cafolla
Peter Carroll

Retd.LoyolaCpt Registered User
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sodacat11 Registered User
#11

Aha, that changes things. Revised betting Lopez 5/2, Collins 3/1 Baburin 7/2 Jessl 5/1 Murphy 6/1, O'Donnell 7/1 Daly and Brady 9/1 Ryan 12/1 Li and O'Gorman 20/1 J Delaney 25/1 K.Delaney 33/1 A late surge of money has seen Jonathan O'Connor cut to 40/1 (from 100). I will stick with my Jessl prediction (on a hunch), but now I think that 7/9 will win it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lopez and Collins 6.5,,,,,,Murphy, Daly and Baburin 6
Dunno if there is any grading prize this year (there should be) but if there is then I will have to prepare odds on who wins that.

Retd.LoyolaCpt Registered User
#12

IM Gavin Wall is the latest entrant which means we have 11 of the current (active) top 16 Irish players.

sodacat11 Registered User
#13

How come players rated lower than 1900 are being allowed to enter the Irish Championship?????????
One of them has a 1735 rating and performed miserably in his two most recent tournaments.
There is a brilliant field for this years championship, the tournament should not be devalued by admitting players who have no right to be in it.
There was NO mention of any "within 50,or within 100 point" rule on the entry form.
Players have had the whole season to get their ratings over 1900, as indeed I had to, if they couldn't do it then they should be in the Intermediate.
If I get drawn to play anyone that is under 1900 on both the ICU and FIDE rating lists I will simply default the game in protest and others should do the same.

brilliantboy Registered User
#14

sodacat makes a fair point. If there's going to be a rule then it should be the same rule for everybody, regardless of ancient history or future potential.

Also I don't agree with this practice of FIDE rating tournaments that don't accept FIDE ratings for the purposes of meeting rating requirements.

sodacat11 Registered User
#15

brilliantboy said:
sodacat makes a fair point. If there's going to be a rule then it should be the same rule for everybody, regardless of ancient history or future potential.

Also I don't agree with this practice of FIDE rating tournaments that don't accept FIDE ratings for the purposes of meeting rating requirements.


Yes,I could live with players who are 1900 on the FIDE list getting in but certainly not with players who aren't 1900 on either list.

This looks like it all started because an ineligible Gonzaga player wanted to play and the "old boys network" clicked into gear, then of course once an exception was made for him every Tom, Dick and Harry had to be admitted.
The Irish Championship should be THE flagship event on the Irish chess calendar. Just qualifying to play in it should be an honour. This year we could have had the highest average rating ever for an Irish Ch until the ICU decided to start breaking it's own rules. It states quite clearly on the flyer that the tournament is for players 1900 or over on the ICU list. As Brilliantboy points out it is a FIDE event so this could be extended to include 1900s on that list but no way should people who can't reach what is a pretty minimum requirement be allowed to play.
Once the exception is made how can a line be drawn? Are 12 and 1300s going to be allowed to enter? I don't see how they can be reasonably refused now.

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