sullivlo Moderator
#1

... and as a community/group make a set of guidelines for games going forward.

Whatever about over on COP - that’s fair game - but here, on boards, there are boards rules that I have to adhere to.

And forgetting about boards rules - simple game rules and everyone agreeing to be on the same page in terms of what is expected of everybody.

Discuss.

Pter Registered User
#2

It's not just rules though. Every game has a set of rules. It's an agreement to not bend or flirt with the borders of those rules. Not find a loophole and take it without question.

We can come up with rules all day long and if the will is there to try and find ways around them, we might as well not have bothered.

Banjo Registered User
#3

I've recused myself from WW. I thought I was tremendously clever and I was instead a tremendous arse. Everyone else followed the rules. Going forward it's not an issue.

Pter Registered User
#4

Banjo
I've recused myself from WW. I thought I was tremendously clever and I was instead a tremendous arse. Everyone else followed the rules. Going forward it's not an issue.



Well actually no not everyone did.

What do you mean not an issue going forward. I hope you will stay on and keep playing. It's important to learn from a mistake.

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Banjo Registered User
#5

Pter said:
Well actually no not everyone did.

What do you mean not an issue going forward. I hope you will stay on and keep playing. It's important to learn from a mistake.


It's also important that there be consequences. My action was willful. Im not going anywhere but I'm at least sitting out a few rounds and any future participation will be at the mod teams discretion.

There may have been others but they conducted themselves properly in so far as you can in that situation, from what I can see. It was not an attempt to subvert the game as to keep minds focussed on the game at hand, not the meta surrounding it. There's a difference.

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sullivlo Moderator
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Pter said:
It's not just rules though. Every game has a set of rules. It's an agreement to not bend or flirt with the borders of those rules. Not find a loophole and take it without question.

We can come up with rules all day long and if the will is there to try and find ways around them, we might as well not have bothered.


That’s what I mean. We all need to be on the same page.

- If a game is to be non-anon, everyone plays under their own account.
- People should not re-register on boards to circumvent these rules.
- Everyone, even game mods, should stick to the rules.

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Pter Registered User
#7

Banjo
It's also important that there be consequences. My action was willful. Im not going anywhere but I'm at least sitting out a few rounds and any future participation will be at the mod teams discretion.



sullivlo
- If a game is to be non-anon, everyone plays under their own account. - People should not re-register on boards to circumvent these rules. - Everyone, even game mods, should stick to the rules.



Don't disagree but it would also be good to get some views from players and mods on what happens if there is a breach. It's very hard sometimes to kick a player and risk spoiling a game for a breach. How do you address it properly?

Like tbh the two rules you mention are gimmes. Do they need to be spelled out? I don't think so anyway. Certainly you ask the mods if you are any way near a grey area or something that isn't explicitly stated. It's going to be very hard to come up with a comprehensive set of rules that can't be exploited if someone wants to find a way.

Triceratops Ballet Registered User
#8

That's the big thing Sully, when we run games we all want our game to be successful. Nobody wants to be the mod who's game collapsed (as one of those mods I can confirm it sucks). The problem is that this sometimes get put ahead of the integrity of the forum and so we tolerate little slips and rule breaks. For this to work everyone has to want it to.

sullivlo Moderator
#9

Pter said:
Don't disagree but it would also be good to get some views from players and mods on what happens if there is a breach. It's very hard sometimes to kick a player and risk spoiling a game for a breach. How do you address it properly?

Like tbh the two rules you mention are gimmes. Do they need to be spelled out? I don't think so anyway. Certainly you ask the mods if you are any way near a grey area or something that isn't explicitly stated. It's going to be very hard to come up with a comprehensive set of rules that can't be exploited if someone wants to find a way.


That is what I mean. I discovered the breach very early on in the game. By right, the player in question should have been banned, but the game would have been ruined.

So there needs to be a plan in place for situations like this. How do we proceed?

Do we operate a no tolerance policy? Is it graded, like is there a different level of rule breaks? Like does the deleted post from last night warrant a ban? Or just the rereg?

Banjo Registered User
#10

Again, in that specific case, was the intention to break the game or to enjoy the game? I don't think you could argue that he was trying to derail it, apart from the way he plays but that's a whole other discussion I see his intention as benign and it didn't specifically become a problem until I made it a problem as a deliberate attempt to pervert the course of the game. My intention was malign, to break the rules in my favour, however noble I thought that break was at the time.

Pter Registered User
#11

Do we have a widespread problem with rule breaking? I don't think so.

Do we have a problem with one user repeatedly breaking different rules. Yes, in my opinion.

Like I have no problem with banjo playing again because he made a mistake and is obviously contrite. That counts.

But Tigger willfully broke a rule AND willfully went against the spirit of the game and what the mods laid out. And that's just in this game. It's happened in loads of games. He can come on and say whatever he wants, but after a certain number of times, things like this can't be rationalised away and there needs to be consequences that actually hurt him. Not a self imposex exile but one from our community saying 'this isn't on. We aren't going to let you keep doing this'....eff off for a while, basically.

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Triceratops Ballet Registered User
#12

Banjo said:
Again, in that specific case, was the intention to break the game or to enjoy the game? I don't think you could argue that he was trying to derail it, apart from the way he plays but that's a whole other discussion I see his intention as benign and it didn't specifically become a problem until I made it a problem as a deliberate attempt to pervert the course of the game. My intention was malign, to break the rules in my favour, however noble I thought that break was at the time.


Does it matter? is it ok to break the rules if your intentions are good and you're pure of heart?

sullivlo Moderator
#13

Banjo said:
Again, in that specific case, was the intention to break the game or to enjoy the game? I don't think you could argue that he was trying to derail it, apart from the way he plays but that's a whole other discussion I see his intention as benign and it didn't specifically become a problem until I made it a problem as a deliberate attempt to pervert the course of the game. My intention was malign, to break the rules in my favour, however noble I thought that break was at the time.


The game was non-anon, as voted for by the participants. Reregistering on boards to evade the non-anon aspect of the game, for your own lols, is derailing IMO.

I would never have signed up had he been playing.

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tritium Registered User
#14

Banjo said:
I've recused myself from WW. I thought I was tremendously clever and I was instead a tremendous arse. Everyone else followed the rules. Going forward it's not an issue.


Banjo, really hope you won’t step back because of this. Pissed as I may have been at the time I really do understand how this game gets to you and how some choices seem very logical at the time. I do hope you’ll stick around, and help us as a community to improve (both as players and how we do things)

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Pter Registered User
#15

Banjo
Again, in that specific case, was the intention to break the game or to enjoy the game? I don't think you could argue that he was trying to derail it, apart from the way he plays but that's a whole other discussion I see his intention as benign and it didn't specifically become a problem until I made it a problem as a deliberate attempt to pervert the course of the game. My intention was malign, to break the rules in my favour, however noble I thought that break was at the time.



A vote was had to have a non anon game. The game was billed as such.

If you create a pseudo anon account, you have a meta advantage for the game over the others in the game.

It's not rationalisable. Even if it were it's not a decision for one player to go off and do on his own. He should be asking the mods who in turn will ask the rest of the players.

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