xvhvtevx Registered User
#1

I'm 18 and me and my friend really want to go to the boilerhouse together, but he is only 17 and i'm wondering if he would be let in since the age of consent is 17..

gizmo81 Registered User
#2

You don't want to start your adult life in the Boilerhouse, there is nothing beneficial to gain.

LLMMLL Registered User
#3

Ignore the above comment. If you want to go then go. Check their website for a phone number of you have enquiries about age, not many people go at such a young age so unlikely anyone here knows the boiler houses policy.

gizmo81 Registered User
#4

Bathhouses are antiquated, contrary to what some might say it isn't about liberation. In modern society it is actually oppressive as it engenders shame.

A young gay person should have the social skills to go out an meet someone in any setting and not have to rely on anonymous encounters in the dark.

We should be encouraging our young community members to turn away from this.

It is illegal for someone under 18 to enter the premises.


LLMMLL said:
Ignore the above comment. If you want to go then go. Check their website for a phone number of you have enquiries about age, not many people go at such a young age so unlikely anyone here knows the boiler houses policy.

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xvhvtevx Registered User
#5

hey, i was just asking a question.
doesn't mean we will actually go lol. don't sweat it.

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gizmo81 Registered User
#6

No worries, I was just giving information.

Most will have a reckless attitude towards advising you to go there.

It's 2017 you don't need to go to places like this.


xvhvtevx said:
hey, i was just asking a question.
doesn't mean we will actually go lol. don't sweat it.

Joeytheparrot Moderator
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gizmo81 said:
In modern society it is actually oppressive as it engenders shame.


I dunno about that.

In a lot of European countries its much more open and positive. I think the shame bit is suggesting the shame is on people who goto saunas in Ireland. Live and let live. If people want to go there I don't think that it is shameful.

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gizmo81 Registered User
#8

I don't judge people for going there but it is a continuation of the closet.


Joeytheparrot said:
I dunno about that.

In a lot of European countries its much more open and positive. I think the shame bit is suggesting the shame is on people who goto saunas in Ireland. Live and let live. If people want to go there I don't think that it is shameful.

Joeytheparrot Moderator
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gizmo81 said:
I don't judge people for going there but it is a continuation of the closet.


It really isn't.


Your language about it seems very judgemental.

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gizmo81 Registered User
#10

It's not judgemental. However, any criticism within the community is seen as an attack. We have a Peter pan community unable to take any responsibility for their actions.

Saunas are an extension of the closet. In the olden days it was better to have people off the streets and cruising grounds for fear of violence.

So many gay men now have a 'kink' and a pleather harness. These behaviours are socially learned, seen to raise your status in the community, seen as an assertion of your masculinity. Again a manifestation of shame rather than liberation.

I believe saunas serve a purpose for the community but to say it is liberation is completely disingenuous.

I know the Boilerhouse is trying to diversify with early morning parties but this is completely reckless IMO


Joeytheparrot said:
It really isn't.


Your language about it seems very judgemental.

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LLMMLL Registered User
#11

How is it a continuation of the closet when it's filled with out gay men every weekend? I'm completely mystified.

gizmo81 Registered User
#12

The closet metaphorically speaking is something that remains hidden.

Heterosexism want's to see gay mens sexuality hidden and gay men are complicit in this, through shame, (the whole masc phenomena). Shame and the closet are dependent on each other.

My research area isn't psychology but it being 'filled' is to do with gay mens inability to form long lasting emotional relationships again a result of the closet and shame, the unconscious inability to believe one is worth more than what society expects for them.

LLMMLL said:
How is it a continuation of the closet when it's filled with out gay men every weekend? I'm completely mystified.

Manion Registered User
#13

In a thread discussing a 17 year old visiting a sauna the thing that is found objectionable is the language used rather then the advice given. It's OK to promote potentially exploitive behaviour once you don't judge.

LLMMLL said:
How is it a continuation of the closet when it's filled with out gay men every weekend? I'm completely mystified.


Do a search online, you find numerous articles including interviews with owners who discuss the nature of the clientele and why saunas are in decline.

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LLMMLL Registered User
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gizmo81 said:
The closet metaphorically speaking is something that remains hidden.

Heterosexism want's to see gay mens sexuality hidden and gay men are complicit in this, through shame, (the whole masc phenomena). Shame and the closet are dependent on each other.

My research area isn't psychology but it being 'filled' is to do with gay mens inability to form long lasting emotional relationships again a result of the closet and shame, the unconscious inability to believe one is worth more than what society expects for them.


I don't think your theories are at all coherent. So you say gay men should have the skills to meet anywhere. Why can't one of those places be a sauna.

Are gay bars equally as unacceptable, given that they also"hide" gay men's sexuality. Grindr? Is the only acceptable way for gay men to meet in straight bars or something?

The reason it's "filled" is for numerous reasons, nothing to do with the closet. It's just as easy for closeted guys to.go on Grindr and not have to be seen going into a sauna. Basically, the people in there are usually just out of a club, horny, and not having any luck on Grindr. They want some easy sex and don't find the atmosphere off putting. It really is as simple as that.

Your ideas about leather are also way off. Do you actually know anyone into leather. Because I do and I've never heard of it being thought of as "masc". Harnesses and jockstraps are geared towards bottoms and guys who are paranoid about "masc" usually like to style themselves as tops. It's just a fetish people have picked up from pornography.

It's pretty obvious you're not in psychology because that's a relatively rigorous field. You sound like you're coming from a "queer theory" perspective. Emphasis on the "theory".

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LLMMLL Registered User
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Manion said:
In a thread discussing a 17 year old visiting a sauna the thing that is found objectionable is the language used rather then the advice given. It's OK to promote potentially exploitive behaviour once you don't judge.


Nobody promoted anything. I told him to ring them and find out. And where's the exploitation? You see the world through such a strange lens.

Do a search online, you find numerous articles including interviews with owners who discuss the nature of the clientele and why saunas are in decline.


The answer is Grindr.

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