magicbastarder Registered User
#226

someone needs to print out that image above and plaster it around howth.

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OleRodrigo Registered User
#227

Leroy42 said:
It is a bit of a myth that cycling two a breast creates more problems that single file. It is very rare that two or more riders would cycle direcly in line, so in practice you will always have more than the space of 1. A bike takes up .5 meters (I'm guessing) and another .5m from the kerb, lets round to 1m. And at 50km the space given should be +1.5m, so that is 2.5m of the road.

Average car width is 2m. So no way they can really pass safely without either crossing the line (average lane is about 4m) or squeeze by. The second rider (now cycling abreast) doesn't have any real impact other than to take away the perception that the car can get through.


Nothing wrong with a car squeezing by on a hill, safely and slowly.

If not they could be there all day, given the narrow nature of roads in hilly areas.

Last week going past djeuce this very thing unfolded - a car waiting patiently behind me to overtake. When there was an opportunity, a pair of cyclists descending from the Gap came in the opposite direction and got on their high horse, tut tutting and shaking their fists that the car was overtaking while they were coming down.

If they had of slowed their descent, there would have been no problem and everyone could have gotten along. If they had read the situation properly, they would have seen the car was making every effort to maneuver safely, and they could have responded in kind.

On crowed routes, the only sensible option is give and take.

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Jep Gambardella Famously Vigorous Service Provider
#228

You'd fail if you did that in a driving test. You should only overtake if the way is clear. Expecting oncoming traffic to slow and yield to you is incredibly dangerous.

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OleRodrigo Registered User
#229

The way was clear when the overtake began. As it was on a hill with cars parked on either side, it took longer than it normally would have. Descending cyclists should expect this and ' proceed with caution ' .

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Jep Gambardella Famously Vigorous Service Provider
#230

If you're encountering oncoming traffic before the overtaking manoeuvre is complete, then the way wasn't clear.

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AndrewJRenko Registered User
#231

OleRodrigo said:
The way was clear when the overtake began.

You know that's not how overtaking works, right?

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Lumen Registered User
#232

Jep Gambardella said:
You'd fail if you did that in a driving test. You should only overtake if the way is clear.

Not quite. You should only overtake if they way is clear and is likely to remain so.

Hence why you're prohibited (usually by hatched lines if not common sense) from overtaking near a junction.

Jep Gambardella Famously Vigorous Service Provider
#233

Lumen said:
Not quite. You should only overtake if they way is clear and is likely to remain so.

Hence why you're prohibited (usually by hatched lines if not common sense) from overtaking near a junction.


You know what I mean!

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Chuchote Registered User
#234

OleRodrigo said:
Nothing wrong with a car squeezing by on a hill, safely and slowly.


Depends on the hill.

In the ongoing description preceding there's a reference to "cars parked on either side". Surely that was the problem.

OleRodrigo Registered User
#235

Chuchote said:
Depends on the hill.

In the ongoing description preceding there's a reference to "cars parked on either side". Surely that was the problem.


Yes and no. In that instance they were parked for the entrance to the Wicklow Way on a busy day - much like the cemetery at Sutton and church at Howth. There's not much can be done, either way, except for some common sense give and take.

Not something that High Horse Harry and his band of whingers were prepared to do!

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morana Registered User
#236

OleRodrigo said:

Not something that High Horse Harry and his band of whingers were prepared to do!


who is high horse harry? Was he the driver or the descender?

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Chuchote Registered User
#237

morana said:
who is high horse harry? Was he the driver or the descender?


If the descender wouldn't he be Low Horse Harry?

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Lusk_Doyle Registered User
#238

Jep Gambardella said:
You'd fail if you did that in a driving test. You should only overtake if the way is clear. Expecting oncoming traffic to slow and yield to you is incredibly dangerous.


It's expected by other drivers in Poland. The amount of times I've been faced with a "chicken" decision over there is ridiculous.

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daragh_ Registered User
#239

Tombo2001 said:
its a funny attitude.

Clogged up with cyclists and not with cars?

The appeal is that its the only decent hill in Dublin.

Quite clearly.


No it's not. Happy to show you some.

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