#31

PhoneMain said:
I'd be very wary of this killergreene, I'd not convinced he's not a troll.


Easy to accuse someone of trolling if the argument doesn't fit your narrative.

There are doctors in this country living on the breadline, most of them studied as gems. You cannot afford a wife, a kid a house and a car on 40k a year while paying back 1500 a month. The numbers don't add up. Offer counter figures if you can really prove your point.

Loads of hospitals don't pay overtime. If yours does, congrats.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/201281/Trainee-doctors-vote-for-strike-at.html

PhoneMain Registered User
#32

Killergreene said:
Easy to accuse someone of trolling if the argument doesn't fit your narrative.

There are doctors in this country living on the breadline, most of them studied as gems. You cannot afford a wife, a kid a house and a car on 40k a year while paying back 1500 a month. The numbers don't add up. Offer counter figures if you can really prove your point.

Loads of hospitals don't pay overtime. If yours does, congrats.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/201281/Trainee-doctors-vote-for-strike-at.html



You slate UL any chance you get, calling it a "sham" course. Yet, you do plenty of posting in "Official bitch about daily life in UL". So, did you go there and you're not happy with how you performed or if you've finished yet. You've been asked a few times regarding the stage you're at, you never tell us. I've met a UL intern and a UL SHO who's on the Paeds scheme, both fine knowledgeable doctors.

You're narative is constant negativity, that's why I call you a troll. I've asked a lot of interns about overtime pay, in most institutions there seems to be no problem.

newwan Registered User
#33

I wouldn't have a bad word to say about ul or being paid or intern or a lot of the daily life as a junior doc in Ireland so there's some balance. It's just so much easier and nicer in other jurisdictions.

I'm 3 yrs away from ccst here and prob another 3 years of fellowships before I'll even get a locum consultancy(I might well struggle to even get any of the good fellowships around the world). So it's a no brainier for me to go. I'll be done forever in 3 yrs.

Matching was a long road and very difficult and expensive. Probably 20k and 2.5 yrs work...

The college here are overall ok with it

#34

20k is some whack of change. Congrats.

You're better off. All you get here is hr trying to f*ck you and colleagues trying to one up you or stab you in the back when it comes to research etc. Specialty dependent of course.

PhoneMain Registered User
#35

Posting negative comments again with nothing to back it up.

#36

Again you offer very little information to support your own argument. HVe you ever worked a 24 or 36 hour shift? And then not been paid for it?

This happens regularly.

UL course has lot of deficiencies in pre clinical years and clinical years. Very little microbiology, biochemistry teaching.anatomy self learned from quiz books. Poor usmle scores and poor Canadian matches. Us students can't get government loans to study in UL because usmle scores have been too poor. I went to Ucc. Excellent didactic course.

newwan Registered User
#37

Killergreene said:

Poor usmle scores and poor Canadian matches. Us students can't get government loans to study in UL because usmle scores have been too poor.


You have proof for this yourself i assume?

PhoneMain Registered User
#38

newwan said:
You have proof for this yourself i assume?

Because as a UL grad who scored off the charts in my North American exams and matched to one of the most competitive schemes i think you are making this entirely up.
(and every single person in my class who wanted to match to North america matched from anaesthetics to radiology to vasc surg and lots doing ICU now)


He's a troll, claims to have gone to UCC but every second thing he posts is about UL. Strange that.

Kurtosis Moderator
#39

Mod note

Can we please cut the bickering and get back on topic? If you have a problem with someone else's posts, please use the report post function rather than resorting to insults.

Killergreene, you've been warned about your unhelpful posting about UL previously, keep things constructive or further mod actions will follow.

Any queries, please PM me.

A Neurotic Registered User
#40

OP, have you spoken to any clinical psychologists? From what I understand, it's extremely competitive to get onto the D.Clin. I work in psychiatry at the moment, and there are quite a few psychology graduates in the hospital doing long-term, unpaid placements just to accrue some experience to boost their applications to the doctorate.

I would say medicine would be a much safer bet, in terms of progression and income. Incidentally, if you're interested in clinical psychology, wouldn't studying medicine with the option of specialising in psychiatry be a solid option? It's one of the easier schemes to get a place in, and the work-life balance is probably up there with GP.

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julie101 Registered User
#41

A Neurotic said:
OP, have you spoken to any clinical psychologists? From what I understand, it's extremely competitive to get onto the D.Clin. I work in psychiatry at the moment, and there are quite a few psychology graduates in the hospital doing long-term, unpaid placements just to accrue some experience to boost their applications to the doctorate.

I would say medicine would be a much safer bet, in terms of progression and income. Incidentally, if you're interested in clinical psychology, wouldn't studying medicine with the option of specialising in psychiatry be a solid option? It's one of the easier schemes to get a place in, and the work-life balance is probably up there with GP.


Thank you for the response. I have spoken to clinical psychologists and doctors but it has confused me more as some were recommending clin psych and some medicine. With clinical psych if I did get onto course at least it is paid whereas if I did GEM I would have €100k to pay back. I have thought about psychiatry definitely but did not realise work life balance would be similar to GP. I will research this further so many thanks for that information. It would probably suit me much better than GP interest wise as how the mind works is my top interest with problem solving and intellectual stimulation priorities also. If I didn't have a mortgage I think it might be an easier decision. Does anyone know any GPS/psychiatrists/psychologist that love/hate their job? I know it's subjective but most doctors on here really like their jobs would it be right in saying that? Money wise I feel I would be debt free with clin psych and money would be nearly equivalent to GP/psychiatrist is that right? As both as high interest money will have to be deciding factor as I have bills to pay and would like a comfortable family life.

A Neurotic Registered User
#42

julie101 said:
Thank you for the response. I have spoken to clinical psychologists and doctors but it has confused me more as some were recommending clin psych and some medicine. With clinical psych if I did get onto course at least it is paid whereas if I did GEM I would have €100k to pay back. I have thought about psychiatry definitely but did not realise work life balance would be similar to GP. I will research this further so many thanks for that information. It would probably suit me much better than GP interest wise as how the mind works is my top interest with problem solving and intellectual stimulation priorities also. If I didn't have a mortgage I think it might be an easier decision. Does anyone know any GPS/psychiatrists/psychologist that love/hate their job? I know it's subjective but most doctors on here really like their jobs would it be right in saying that? Money wise I feel I would be debt free with clin psych and money would be nearly equivalent to GP/psychiatrist is that right? As both as high interest money will have to be deciding factor as I have bills to pay and would like a comfortable family life.


From what I can understand of where you are currently, would it not be years and years before you could apply for clinical psychology? Do you have a psychology undergraduate degree? I have heard from clinical psychologists that a large proportion of applicants to clinical psychology courses would already have MScs or even PhDs on top of their prerequisite psychology undergrad degrees, before getting onto the D.Clin. So there are a lot of steps along the way where you might be unsuccessful in applications and be set back for a year or more. Again, this is all second-hand information from friends of mine working in or thinking about doing clinical psychology.


With medicine, once you're in, you're in. Psychiatry is definitely one of the better medical specialties for work-life, while still having patient contact (as opposed to radiology, pathology, micro, etc.). While you will probably do call/out of hours more often than GPs, it's usually at a reasonable frequency at training levels (1 night in 14 in the last couple of places I've worked) and when you hit consultant level, your call shifts are generally answering the phone at home and making decisions, less often having to actually go in to the hospital.

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julie101 Registered User
#43

A Neurotic said:
From what I can understand of where you are currently, would it not be years and years before you could apply for clinical psychology? Do you have a psychology undergraduate degree? I have heard from clinical psychologists that a large proportion of applicants to clinical psychology courses would already have MScs or even PhDs on top of their prerequisite psychology undergrad degrees, before getting onto the D.Clin. So there are a lot of steps along the way where you might be unsuccessful in applications and be set back for a year or more. Again, this is all second-hand information from friends of mine working in or thinking about doing clinical psychology.


With medicine, once you're in, you're in. Psychiatry is definitely one of the better medical specialties for work-life, while still having patient contact (as opposed to radiology, pathology, micro, etc.). While you will probably do call/out of hours more often than GPs, it's usually at a reasonable frequency at training levels (1 night in 14 in the last couple of places I've worked) and when you hit consultant level, your call shifts are generally answering the phone at home and making decisions, less often having to actually go in to the hospital.


Yes I have a 1:1 in psychology masters but Im not working in that area at the moment. I will definitely think further on the psychiatry.

PhoneMain Registered User
#44

julie101 said:
whereas if I did GEM I would have €100k to pay back.


Just FYI, the €100k loans are not being offered by banks anymore. It's fees loans that they offer. Previously also a 5 year interest free loan was available from AIB for 10k, however this is also not being offered anymore.

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julie101 Registered User
#45

PhoneMain said:
Just FYI, the €100k loans are not being offered by banks anymore. It's fees loans that they offer. Previously also a 5 year interest free loan was available from AIB for 10k, however this is also not being offered anymore.


Yes I know this thanks for message. I would have to get loan for fees and loan from parents for remainder or save for an extra few years for that extra €40k minimum. But I would still have to pay back €100k just €40k would be to my parents unless I leave it a good few years.

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