cgcsb Registered User
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The paving is horrific. Stained black in parts, looks filthy. It's the one street DCC could have spent a bit of money on the paving stones instead of cheaping out on us.

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MJohnston Registered User
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bk said:
On the tourist thing. I'd agree that tourists don't look at particular details like those mentioned above. However when I think of my own trips, I do have an overall impression of a city. Oh, that was a really pleasant city, I'd love to go back or that was terrible.

And now that I think about it, it is the walk-ability of the city, how accessible it is, how easy it is to get around, how nice the outdoor areas are. A city like Prague, Amsterdam, which are highly walkable, I absolutely love and can't wait to return to and rave to other people about them. A city like Atlanta, yuck, horrible and never want to return to it and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Dublin feels like it fits in somewhere in between those two extremes. Not insane like Atlanta, but not very walkable either, too many cars and buses rushing by next to you all throughout the city center.

But I also agree we should be improving the fabric of our city for the locals first and foremost. Thing is though, what makes for a pleasant environment for tourists, usually makes for a pleasant environment for locals too, while making it easier to "sell".


I agree with the last bit and that's the most important thing, it's just when people's first instinct is to worry "what will the tourists think", I think it's pretty pointless (much like most "what will x think" ponderings).

Like New York Citt has to be one of the least pleasant places to walk, horrific traffic, and the whole place is filthy and cluttered. Yet I still absolutely love it.

L1011 Moderator
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cgcsb said:
The paving is horrific. Stained black in parts, looks filthy. It's the one street DCC could have spent a bit of money on the paving stones instead of cheaping out on us.


If they cleaned them they'd be fine

The few remaining streets with the red and white slip hazards look awful, it dated extremely badly. They are taking forever to do the replacement

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monument Moderator
#1,279

L1011 said:
If they cleaned them they'd be fine


It’s next to impossible to keep unpolished grey granite clean and free of stains.

They would have been far better off picking a red, yellow, orange, green or even mixed colour stone. Dark grey might have worked better for cleaning but would be too dark and black would be doing a full circle and would be hard too keep clean if anything of colour was spilt on it.

Grey is cheap stone.

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cgcsb Registered User
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L1011 said:
If they cleaned them they'd be fine

The few remaining streets with the red and white slip hazards look awful, it dated extremely badly. They are taking forever to do the replacement


the decrepit red brick mixed with patches of tarmac are worse of course, but at least that's due to age. The Grafton paving is brand new and is a disaster.

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L1011 Moderator
#1,281

The red and white was nasty when new and maintained as well as dangerous in the rain - which is so rare here!

L1011 Moderator
#1,282

The existing access hours for shops need to be extended earlier when this happens - in Grafton Street for work right now and there are already goods vehicles in an hour early and they'll be pushed to be gone by 10

Neworder79 Registered User
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L1011 said:
The red and white was nasty when new and maintained as well as dangerous in the rain - which is so rare here!


Everyone has their preference but I smile every time I see the remaining red brick + cream trim left on Exchequer st. Understand it had maintanance issues and long needed replacing. But visually it felt premium...soft, warm, colourful and inviting. It complimented the red brick buildings of the area. To me it gave a unique carachter and united the city center shopping area differentiating from regular pavements.

To replace it with the chosen bland recession grey stone was a real downgrade visually. May aswell have been concrete. It feels cheap, signals that this is just any other street, looks wet and ugly most of the time hilighting dirt and stains. Sad, as donald would say.

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monument Moderator
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Regardless of the reasoning for its choice of it being cheap or in vogue etc, unpolished light and less so mid grey stone is the quickest granite to look dirty and easiest to stain.

Councils need to stop using it.

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wakka12 Registered User
#1,285

I think everyone is overreacting about the loss of the red brick paving, I think that looked messy and dirty and I think grafton street still looks messy and dirty, so no loss

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cgcsb Registered User
#1,286

I'm not mourning the loss of red brick, I'm mourning from the vandalism DCC has committed with its cheap paving.

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celtcia Registered User
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I like blue stone! You people?

Marcusm Registered User
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L1011 said:
The red and white was nasty when new and maintained as well as dangerous in the rain - which is so rare here!


Was it really that bad? I can remember staring at Weir’s at St Patrick’s weekend in1988 as they were being installed (I think the Milltown Cemetery shooting was earlier in the day) and some scrotes picked up some uninstalled bricks and heaved them through Switzer’s Window. Proper maintenance, replacement like for like would I imagine have kept them better. Not even sure where the granite comes from but i’d Have loved to see Kilkenny limestone used. The whole More London development is paved in it in London and it seems to be holding up very well after 13 years or more.

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Telchak Registered User
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Permission refused by ABP.

http://irishcycle.com/2018/10/17/breaking-college-green-plaza-refused-permission/

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Hurrache Registered User
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Here's the link to their documents related to the refusal
http://www.pleanala.ie/news//JA0039/JA0039.htm

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