I hope so because that's what I've done. I'm filling out the mature section as I've decided to attempt HPAT as well, just in case the old Gamsat score doesn't improve. My section 3 score is slowly improving but I'm afraid of losing scores in 1 and 2 as I've totally neglected that study. I've handed in my formal notice to quit at work so I need to give myself every possible chance. Sigh. I suppose if it was easy, everyone would be doing it...
No, we don't need to send in our results. I think it's just transcripts, degree cert and GAMSAT score. Do we need anything else?
That's all I did! I might email them in a couple of days to make sure that they got it. I was going to send them in a printout of the results but decided not to in the end.
Sorry to perhaps derail the thread again.... Tell me to p*ss off if ye want!
I don't think I am. I take it you've never had a significant job outside of medicine? Being rewarded for taking initiative isn't an alien concept in other industries, but seems to be beyond a lot of people who are doctors. I'm certainly not sweeter than sweet, anyone who works with me will attest to that. What I am however, is hard-working and not afraid to ask a consultant to explain something. As I said, I've never had a consultant, or anyone else for that matter, turn me away when I've asked. On the contrary, I've had extra sessions organised, and 1-to-1 teaching from these very people. My colleagues who are a pain in the backside to work with, and complain about everything haven't had the same experience so take from that what you will.
You say there's no training, I say there is. I don't think this "he said-she said" argument helps anyone.
I'll agree with the bottleneck alright. Don't think it has anything to do with your face or Dad's rugby team though. I got mine first time, and I'm not a south Dublin lad with a rich father. Surgery especially bad at the moment, and will certainly have to change. You mention the UK, not what we should be emulating IMO. They're pumping out more consultants true, but a lot of inexperienced ones, especially in the craft specialities (e.g. Surgery, Obs/Gynae).
True, but a career reg isn't exactly the same as someone on a training scheme are they? I'd wager a final year cardiology SpR would measure up well to their American/British counterpart.
The money in the states is reflective of their style of medicine. It's easy to pay doctors phenomenal cash if you only perform private work. Not a like with like comparison.
I'll agree with the overtime, but I can say I haven't had an issue in >3 years. Entirely unacceptable not to pay people for hours worked and is an issue not seen in the UK. Conversely, your beloved US doesn't pay most overtime, if any, for residents. Minimal pay for fellowships also.
To echo what another poster said, you don't seem happy as a doctor. I personally think it's a disgrace in this day and age if a doctor can't perform phlebotomy, cannulation, insert a catheter, etc. What do you do at an acute emergency? Call the catheter guy? Transfer of tasks getting better though, and I would agree we shouldn't be left to do it all. Not quite a disgrace however. I can tell you from friends working in the NHS that they're doing similar stuff.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I feel it's important to counter the onslaught of negativity you see online. I probably won't change your mind Brendan, but I want potential doctors to know that it's not all bad.
Brendan, I'd really recommend talking to someone, and to be honest, go and do something else. Life is too short to work 70 hours a week at something you hate.
The holier than thou attitude seems strong in this thread.
Anecdotal but close family friend is an Attending in arguably one of the leading hospitals in North America and he thinks Irish-trained doctors far exceed their north american counterparts. Specifically advised me against training over there and to complete my training in Ireland.
The UK isn't great either. The reason being paid overtime isn't an issue is because they aren't paid overtime at all- they get banded and that's incorporated into their paycheck but for a given banding they can be asked to work essentially as many hours as their employer wants. I've a friend who has been working 2 illegal rotas in a 1.5 year period who had to get onto the BMA and was subsequently paid their owed overtime 1 year later
About as helpful as advising someone to resign based on a half-baked psychological assessment of internet posts.
The man does sound beyond miserable to be fair
Coming from a place of compassion. If you're a medic yourself I'm sure you're aware of colleagues who would have been much happier doing something else.
Medicine is the only field I'm aware of where people stay despite hating it. Friends of mine who did accounting, and hated it, were congratulated by their colleagues on making the decision to change job.
Stay in the job, or don't. Doesn't make a lick of difference to me. Brendan seemed to find only negatives with his job, not exactly a half-baked theory to suggest he should reflect on whether this is the job for him. No shame in admitting the job you chose at 17 isn't what you thought it would be.
If that's holier than thou, fair enough.
Those applying for GEM Entry in September 2018 and currently filling out CAO applications and updating ACER accounts may find this useful.
Actually, may seem like a complete waste of about 15000, but does anyone know if you're able to accept an offer, retake gamsat and switch to another gem course the following year?
I'm pretty sure I read in one of the UL GEM threads, that after first year, some people transferred into second year at another university after taking the GAMSAT again.
I really don't like the CAO website! Are we supposed to be able to see out supporting documentation/GAMSAT score on our profile? I can't.
No I don't think you're derailing at all, as it's an important discussion to have. I myself am one of those people who pursued what I thought I wanted to do at 17, and I far surpassed any expectations I had for myself in that career path. But guess what? I hate it. It's killing my soul. I returned to education to study what interested me. I'm earning a lot of money right now. If I manage to get into medicine, I'll be working for 8 years (judging by current pay scales) until I'm back on par. I'm used to long unsociable hours where I am so that doesn't scare me off too much. But I know what it's like to be in something you don't enjoy at all. Life is short, unless you're in a job you hate, when it becomes very long. It takes guts to leave, especially when you have people who care about you telling you that you are nuts. But they don't know the effect of working 40-50 hours in a job that is crushing me has on me. You can't love your job everyday. But to like it, or even to enjoy a day or two here or there isn't too much to ask.
I've posted my original documentation to the CAO, and I've updated my Acer site with my CAO number. Reading that link posted earlier from the CAO, what will happen is that CAO will contact Acer for our results AFTER May, which means the March sitting can be taken into account if you're re-sitting (like me). That's my take anyway! It's an awful website. Bring back the days of CAO when you popped everything in the post because you didn't trust the internet to do it!