ilovesmecounty Registered User
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medennial said:
Is updating your Acer account just a matter of going onto the Registration section and updating the registration with your CAO number?

For instance, I'm using my results from the September sitting so I went onto my September registration and updated the number there.

Probably a silly question, but better to be safe than sorry!



I hope so because that's what I've done. I'm filling out the mature section as I've decided to attempt HPAT as well, just in case the old Gamsat score doesn't improve. My section 3 score is slowly improving but I'm afraid of losing scores in 1 and 2 as I've totally neglected that study. I've handed in my formal notice to quit at work so I need to give myself every possible chance. Sigh. I suppose if it was easy, everyone would be doing it...

Celestial12 Registered User
#302

debbysoap said:
Happy New Year to you too & thanks for the reminder!

Just wondering if we need to send off Leaving Certificate Results also? Or does that not apply to GEM? I don’t think we need to, but just in case..


No, we don't need to send in our results. I think it's just transcripts, degree cert and GAMSAT score. Do we need anything else?

medennial said:
Is updating your Acer account just a matter of going onto the Registration section and updating the registration with your CAO number?

For instance, I'm using my results from the September sitting so I went onto my September registration and updated the number there.

Probably a silly question, but better to be safe than sorry!


That's all I did! I might email them in a couple of days to make sure that they got it. I was going to send them in a printout of the results but decided not to in the end.

Pierre_Robin Registered User
#303

Sorry to perhaps derail the thread again.... Tell me to p*ss off if ye want!

brendanwalsh said:
I think you're making a lot of excuses for the training. Nobody should have to seek out training and be sweeter than sweet to just be given an nugget of training. The issue is there is very little formal didactic training, it's very passive and more osmotic in nature.


I don't think I am. I take it you've never had a significant job outside of medicine? Being rewarded for taking initiative isn't an alien concept in other industries, but seems to be beyond a lot of people who are doctors. I'm certainly not sweeter than sweet, anyone who works with me will attest to that. What I am however, is hard-working and not afraid to ask a consultant to explain something. As I said, I've never had a consultant, or anyone else for that matter, turn me away when I've asked. On the contrary, I've had extra sessions organised, and 1-to-1 teaching from these very people. My colleagues who are a pain in the backside to work with, and complain about everything haven't had the same experience so take from that what you will.

You say there's no training, I say there is. I don't think this "he said-she said" argument helps anyone.

brendanwalsh said:
The other thing not mentioned is the artifical bottle neck at spr level. Plenty of good candidates with exams passed on first attempt have been shunned multiple times for specialist training just because they didn't have the right face or their daddy didn't play rugby for a certain club. In the US and UK it is much more objective in progressing through your career.


I'll agree with the bottleneck alright. Don't think it has anything to do with your face or Dad's rugby team though. I got mine first time, and I'm not a south Dublin lad with a rich father. Surgery especially bad at the moment, and will certainly have to change. You mention the UK, not what we should be emulating IMO. They're pumping out more consultants true, but a lot of inexperienced ones, especially in the craft specialities (e.g. Surgery, Obs/Gynae).

There's bad doctors in every country but a bad doctor who has had a very didactic heavy residency under his belt will be much better than a sh*te career reg here.


True, but a career reg isn't exactly the same as someone on a training scheme are they? I'd wager a final year cardiology SpR would measure up well to their American/British counterpart.

Money is rubbish compared to us. After 3 years of residency in US you can command a quarter of a million salary. Here you will never make that. You'll be lucky to be paid all your rostered time at that. Everyone knows a department who won't pay any overtime whatsoever (cuh anesthesia being one example)


The money in the states is reflective of their style of medicine. It's easy to pay doctors phenomenal cash if you only perform private work. Not a like with like comparison.

I'll agree with the overtime, but I can say I haven't had an issue in >3 years. Entirely unacceptable not to pay people for hours worked and is an issue not seen in the UK. Conversely, your beloved US doesn't pay most overtime, if any, for residents. Minimal pay for fellowships also.

Being a doctor in this country involves learning also how to be a nurse, a health care assistant, a social worker a phlebotomist etc. Most developed countries have healthcare systems in which the doctor strictly practices medicine. It's a disgrace in this day and age doctors being asked to do bloods canulas catheters etc etc.


To echo what another poster said, you don't seem happy as a doctor. I personally think it's a disgrace in this day and age if a doctor can't perform phlebotomy, cannulation, insert a catheter, etc. What do you do at an acute emergency? Call the catheter guy? Transfer of tasks getting better though, and I would agree we shouldn't be left to do it all. Not quite a disgrace however. I can tell you from friends working in the NHS that they're doing similar stuff.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I feel it's important to counter the onslaught of negativity you see online. I probably won't change your mind Brendan, but I want potential doctors to know that it's not all bad.

Brendan, I'd really recommend talking to someone, and to be honest, go and do something else. Life is too short to work 70 hours a week at something you hate.

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2Scoops Registered User
#304

The holier than thou attitude seems strong in this thread.

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Anita Blow Registered User
#305

Pierre_Robin said:

True, but a career reg isn't exactly the same as someone on a training scheme are they? I'd wager a final year cardiology SpR would measure up well to their American/British counterpart.

Anecdotal but close family friend is an Attending in arguably one of the leading hospitals in North America and he thinks Irish-trained doctors far exceed their north american counterparts. Specifically advised me against training over there and to complete my training in Ireland.

Pierre_Robin said:


I'll agree with the overtime, but I can say I haven't had an issue in >3 years. Entirely unacceptable not to pay people for hours worked and is an issue not seen in the UK. Conversely, your beloved US doesn't pay most overtime, if any, for residents. Minimal pay for fellowships also.



The UK isn't great either. The reason being paid overtime isn't an issue is because they aren't paid overtime at all- they get banded and that's incorporated into their paycheck but for a given banding they can be asked to work essentially as many hours as their employer wants. I've a friend who has been working 2 illegal rotas in a 1.5 year period who had to get onto the BMA and was subsequently paid their owed overtime 1 year later

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Pierre_Robin Registered User
#306

2Scoops said:
The holier than thou attitude seems strong in this thread.


Helpful.

2Scoops Registered User
#307

About as helpful as advising someone to resign based on a half-baked psychological assessment of internet posts.

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Kirby2k07 Registered User
#308

The man does sound beyond miserable to be fair

Pierre_Robin Registered User
#309

2Scoops said:
About as helpful as advising someone to resign based on a half-baked psychological assessment of internet posts.


Coming from a place of compassion. If you're a medic yourself I'm sure you're aware of colleagues who would have been much happier doing something else.

Medicine is the only field I'm aware of where people stay despite hating it. Friends of mine who did accounting, and hated it, were congratulated by their colleagues on making the decision to change job.

Stay in the job, or don't. Doesn't make a lick of difference to me. Brendan seemed to find only negatives with his job, not exactly a half-baked theory to suggest he should reflect on whether this is the job for him. No shame in admitting the job you chose at 17 isn't what you thought it would be.

If that's holier than thou, fair enough.

medennial Registered User
#310

Anyway...

Those applying for GEM Entry in September 2018 and currently filling out CAO applications and updating ACER accounts may find this useful.

http://www2.cao.ie/downloads/documents/2018/GraduateEntryMedicine2018.pdf

GrabTheCREAM Registered User
#311

Actually, may seem like a complete waste of about 15000, but does anyone know if you're able to accept an offer, retake gamsat and switch to another gem course the following year?

Celestial12 Registered User
#312

GrabTheCREAM said:
Actually, may seem like a complete waste of about 15000, but does anyone know if you're able to accept an offer, retake gamsat and switch to another gem course the following year?


I'm pretty sure I read in one of the UL GEM threads, that after first year, some people transferred into second year at another university after taking the GAMSAT again.

Celestial12 Registered User
#313

medennial said:
Anyway...

Those applying for GEM Entry in September 2018 and currently filling out CAO applications and updating ACER accounts may find this useful.

http://www2.cao.ie/downloads/documents/2018/GraduateEntryMedicine2018.pdf


I really don't like the CAO website! Are we supposed to be able to see out supporting documentation/GAMSAT score on our profile? I can't.

ilovesmecounty Registered User
#314

Pierre_Robin said:
Coming from a place of compassion. If you're a medic yourself I'm sure you're aware of colleagues who would have been much happier doing something else.

Medicine is the only field I'm aware of where people stay despite hating it. Friends of mine who did accounting, and hated it, were congratulated by their colleagues on making the decision to change job.

Stay in the job, or don't. Doesn't make a lick of difference to me. Brendan seemed to find only negatives with his job, not exactly a half-baked theory to suggest he should reflect on whether this is the job for him. No shame in admitting the job you chose at 17 isn't what you thought it would be.

If that's holier than thou, fair enough.


No I don't think you're derailing at all, as it's an important discussion to have. I myself am one of those people who pursued what I thought I wanted to do at 17, and I far surpassed any expectations I had for myself in that career path. But guess what? I hate it. It's killing my soul. I returned to education to study what interested me. I'm earning a lot of money right now. If I manage to get into medicine, I'll be working for 8 years (judging by current pay scales) until I'm back on par. I'm used to long unsociable hours where I am so that doesn't scare me off too much. But I know what it's like to be in something you don't enjoy at all. Life is short, unless you're in a job you hate, when it becomes very long. It takes guts to leave, especially when you have people who care about you telling you that you are nuts. But they don't know the effect of working 40-50 hours in a job that is crushing me has on me. You can't love your job everyday. But to like it, or even to enjoy a day or two here or there isn't too much to ask.

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ilovesmecounty Registered User
#315

Celestial12 said:
I really don't like the CAO website! Are we supposed to be able to see out supporting documentation/GAMSAT score on our profile? I can't.


I've posted my original documentation to the CAO, and I've updated my Acer site with my CAO number. Reading that link posted earlier from the CAO, what will happen is that CAO will contact Acer for our results AFTER May, which means the March sitting can be taken into account if you're re-sitting (like me). That's my take anyway! It's an awful website. Bring back the days of CAO when you popped everything in the post because you didn't trust the internet to do it!

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