Soarer Registered User
#856

Looks tripe.
Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

MarkN Registered User
#857

Could start a new thread but the contribution has been so heavily discussed here, it seems to make sense.

Specced up a 4GC M-sport in a BMW dealer in Dublin today.

Price of ideal car came to approx €58,000. €5,000 dealer contribution and allowing €17,000 (!) for my 635, cost of change of €35,000. Figures were to be mailed across this afternoon, that didn't happen though, maybe they were busy....!

Not sure how I feel about such a low ball on my own car. It has 90,000kms, is mint, BMW warranty on it. It needs two alloys repaired (not damaged by me) and that is pretty much the only prep work needed. A tyre, maybe two and that really would be it. A very similar car in terms of spec and mileage is in Conlon's for €26,950.

bazz26 Registered User
#858

I wouldn't pay much attention to what Conlan's ask for their used cars they tend to be on a different planet. I bought my F10 from Keary's for about 2k more than what Conlan's wanted for a lower spec/higher mileage year older example. In saying that it sounds like they are trying to recoup a fair bit of that 5k contribution back through your trade-in price. Did you try a different dealer? Maybe try one outside the pale?

BTW the 4 Series is getting a facelift very soon similar to what the 3 Series got last year but I'd imagine the 5k contribution may disappear when the LCI model arrives.

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mickdw Registered User
#859

And that 17k is against full retail. The 5k off is from BMW so dealer should still have discount to play with. You could say that they are giving about 14k for your car.

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Voodoomelon Registered User
#860

Was about to say the same, pretty crappy deal.

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digiman Registered User
#861

MarkN said:
Could start a new thread but the contribution has been so heavily discussed here, it seems to make sense.

Specced up a 4GC M-sport in a BMW dealer in Dublin today.

Price of ideal car came to approx €58,000. €5,000 dealer contribution and allowing €17,000 (!) for my 635, cost of change of €35,000. Figures were to be mailed across this afternoon, that didn't happen though, maybe they were busy....!

Not sure how I feel about such a low ball on my own car. It has 90,000kms, is mint, BMW warranty on it. It needs two alloys repaired (not damaged by me) and that is pretty much the only prep work needed. A tyre, maybe two and that really would be it. A very similar car in terms of spec and mileage is in Conlon's for €26,950.


What engine in the 4GC and what year is the 635? 635 is diesel I assume?

MarkN Registered User
#862

digiman said:
What engine in the 4GC and what year is the 635? 635 is diesel I assume?


420d. 2008 diesel is my car, which I'm not even sure if I want to part with. I would never accept the first offer but it was just an idea of what I'd be looking at from my point of view. Same for trying to negotiate some discount.

I've always heard good things about the BMW dealership in Wexford so I'd probably give them a shout.

Contribution €5,000 is only paid out once your car is delivered before March 31st. It's nearly too late to factory order a car now to meet the deadline, the impression I got was if you miss the deadline, the €5,000 will be the owners problem.

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vintagevrs Registered User
#863

Which is madness, they can't sell cars on that basis can they?

"Oh sorry it took 3 days to PDI your new car, so it was registered on April 1st, you now owe us 5k more"

Ford dealer told me same story on their "deal"

mickdw Registered User
#864

They have to be bullsh1tting to push sales. A car salesman never wants to order a car in. He wants to sell a car today so it suits them to scare everyone re the deal ending.
Fair enough sterling may not be as damaging now as at the end of last year but for them to see the need to give 5k contribution over the period of the sales boom of January February suggests to me that they will be in no position to go making cars dearer as we move later into to the year.

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carsfan2 Registered User
#865

Friend of mine traded in his 08 BMW 635d last week against a used Audi in an Audi garage. He had 77,000 miles on it and was in excellent condition. He got 15k for it. The next best offer he got was 12.5k and some garages refused to take it as a trade in on the basis that there is a very limited market out there now for them due to age,running costs, insurance, potential for big bills etc.
Can't understand this myself as it is a gorgeous car but it seems we don't appreciate a nice car in Ireland when it is a little older.

Re the 5k contribution, I could see them pulling it now that Mercedes have put 28th of February down as the end of their 10% off deadline. On the other hand it appears BMW sales have tanked so far this year according to the reg stats on another thread so maybe the scheme will be extended. Dealers probably wouldn't know what is really happening yet.

Also I would ignore Conlan's pricing on used stuff. They are always way over the odds in their asking prices.

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bazz26 Registered User
#866

I don't even think it's down to Irish people not liking nice cars, we as a nation in general were always like that. Cars like a 635d will always have a limited market here but there is a huge push these days to get buyers into a new car through PCP, manufacturer contributions, scrappage schemes, etc. Main dealers just don't want the hassle of retailing cars of that nature or age any more so they give you its trade value that they would get from selling it on to a small time dealer.

BTW Mark a 420d is going to a fair step down from a 635d in terms of performance and refinement. Did you have a drive of one?

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MarkN Registered User
#867

bazz26 said:
I don't even think it's down to Irish people not liking nice cars, we as a nation in general were always like that. Cars like a 635d will always have a limited market here but there is a huge push these days to get buyers into a new car through PCP, manufacturer contributions, scrappage schemes, etc. Main dealers just don't want the hassle of retailing cars of that nature or age any more so they give you its trade value that they would get from selling it on to a small time dealer.

BTW Mark a 420d is going to a fair step down from a 635d in terms of performance and refinement. Did you have a drive of one?


The comparison test has crossed my mind alright. It's what has me scratching my head in terms of what can you replace the 635 with. It was easier when I had a 630i as the tax was a joke and I was sick of putting petrol in but the 635 is so cheap to run in comparison.

He offered to pull out a brand new one that they have for sale (tried to see if I would take that one in fact as it's not far off the spec) but when I thought about the cost of change I just said look to be honest at that price I wouldn't be dealing so I don't want to be putting miles onto a brand new car.

I think it's a car I'll have to sell privately if I want to move on. It has full BMW warranty and I'll extend it again in June if I still have it. That is a big selling point in my opinion because if any of the big stuff goes wrong, it'll be covered. I may end up looking to the UK for a 2012/2013 640D coupe.

Idbatterim Registered User
#868

Mark could I ask why you want to sell the 635 ? Id argue you are selling a superior car and will get done on depreciation and finance! Why bother? I work beside a BMW garage and the crap that they are selling and the price the price tag makes me laugh... Compared to the ridiculous far higher end stuff like you are driving around with overall likely far lower total overall running costs ...

carsfan2 Registered User
#869

Except for its physical size I love the 640d gran coupe and a used one would be preferable to a new 420d gran coupe,
Performance and refinement in a another league but they are a very big broad car.
I've driven one and found it felt very wide and long but on the open road was a dream. They depreciate rapidly soeven a 2/3 year old one will still lose a lot of value.
I would agree that selling your own privately would make more sense but can be a pain in the ass to do. My pal tried with his but only encountered messers by and large. I thought you got it fairly recently and it looked lovely so why the urge to change?
I certainly wouldn't be changing to take advantage of the contributions as I have a feeling there will be offers in some form or other around as the market is definitely slowing down.
The dealer I bought from told me that business is all about volume now and everything is dictated by BMW ireland re targets etc. The garages have little or no decision making ability on most things apparently. You might do better in a garage that hasn't hit targets possibly outside of Dublin but I have a feeling they are all going to low ball your 635d.

Idbatterim Registered User
#870

Bm would just sell that car into the trade though. What would that car sell for on the private market?

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